The best way to cure poverty is make it illegal, says Minnesota Republicans. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Treybuchet;28712954]You keep using that- Aw fuck it. Besides did you read this shit anyway?[/QUOTE] Outlawing a person's right to carry legal tender seems somewhat against the bill of rights... happy now? I read it and I must say that the bill is fucking retarded. Outlawing certain things will not make them better, especially when somebody is carrying cash around.

[QUOTE=Earthen;28713057]Outlawing a person's right to carry legal tender seems somewhat against the bill of rights... happy now? I read it and I must say that the bill is fucking retarded. Outlawing certain things will not make them better, especially when somebody is carrying cash around.[/QUOTE] It's like you didn't read the thread (or the file), at all. Let me explain, again, why this bill is completely legal and sensible. When you go on welfare, you must spend the money on what is approved, (food, whatever). This file will only allow you to withdraw twenty dollars from your monthly allowance to spend on unapproved items. You still can carry around money which you didn't withdraw from your EBT card.

[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;28702881]I hate those people who talk about poverty as if it's some kind of disease[/QUOTE] It is a disease, but you don't cure a disease by harming the patient.

[QUOTE=Earthen;28713057]Outlawing a person's right to carry legal tender seems somewhat against the bill of rights... happy now? I read it and I must say that the bill is fucking retarded. Outlawing certain things will not make them better, especially when somebody is carrying cash around.[/QUOTE] It isn't saying that you can only carry $20 around, it is saying that you can only withdraw $20 of cash from the welfare card. There is no restriction in how much cash they can carry, there is only a restriction on how much cash the person can withdraw from their Welfare card.

[QUOTE=Earthen;28713057]Outlawing a person's right to carry legal tender seems somewhat against the bill of rights... happy now? I read it and I must say that the bill is fucking retarded. Outlawing certain things will not make them better, especially when somebody is carrying cash around.[/QUOTE] Do you know what the Bill of Rights even is/ have you read it. And you haven't read the Bill itself. The post is not the bill nor does it even suggest what it really does. Hell, none of the links except the bill itself.

No matter how stupid, this would actually work. I'm not supporting this, just stating the truth.

People will start smuggling money in their assholes. Enjoy your shit stained bank notes in the circulation, America.

Issues here: The thread title. "The best way to cure poverty is make it illegal says Minnesota Republicans" The OP starts out putting words into the mouths of a group of people. People on FP believe this because they already have a prejudice against Republicans, and therefore it's easy for them to believe, because they want to believe it. But they never said that, or anything along those lines. The source choices. They are all the same source, just quoted and rewritten on different things. And they're all blogs. OP tacked the bill on there to add legitimacy but to be honest, it isn't displayed well enough for it to matter. The thread itself. The thread is filled with self validation of people stating things about republicans who haven't actually read the bill or anything other than the shitty source. How to make it decent: Find a real source. And don't do sensationalist titles.

I still don't see any proof, the bill that OP showed was just shit about debit cards. It didn't say anything about illegalizing poverty. Also, all of the sources in the OP are biased as fuck

[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;28713410]It's like you didn't read the thread (or the file), at all. Let me explain, again, why this bill is completely legal and sensible. When you go on welfare, you must spend the money on what is approved, (food, whatever). This file will only allow you to withdraw twenty dollars from your monthly allowance to spend on unapproved items. You still can carry around money which you didn't withdraw from your EBT card.[/QUOTE] Why not just herd them into camps then? It would cut down on logistics problems. All I'm saying is that forcing people on welfare to only be allowed a small amount of money for themselves is illogical. They are adults and should have the freedom to do what they want with the money. If they want to spend it on random shit, then let them. This goes back to Soviet-era socialism where you had a fucking allowance. If the people on welfare refuse to buy what they need, then we need to find alternative solutions rather than taking their money away. I highly doubt they will learn. There are people on welfare who use it wisely. Suddenly they can only withdraw a certain amount? [editline]20th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Treybuchet;28713559]Do you know what the Bill of Rights even is/ have you read it. And you haven't read the Bill itself. The post is not the bill nor does it even suggest what it really does. Hell, none of the links except the bill itself.[/QUOTE] See my response to ExplodingGuy on the bill. The concept of the bill of rights AKA people's rights is still being undermined here. Forcing people to only be able to withdraw something tiny for themselves is against the bill.

[QUOTE=Earthen;28715410]Why not just herd them into camps then? It would cut down on logistics problems. All I'm saying is that forcing people on welfare to only be allowed a small amount of money for themselves is illogical. They are adults and should have the freedom to do what they want with the money. If they want to spend it on random shit, then let them. This goes back to Soviet-era socialism where you had a fucking allowance. If the people on welfare refuse to buy what they need, then we need to find alternative solutions rather than taking their money away. I highly doubt they will learn. There are people on welfare who use it wisely. Suddenly they can only withdraw a certain amount?[/QUOTE] What the hell are you on about? First of all, it's not even their money, it's the government's money, and the government says they have to spend all but twenty dollars on what is approved. No one is taking away the money of the people on welfare, just making sure they spend it wisely. And FYI almost every state has a law such as this. It cuts down on bureaucratic issues, and makes sure the people get what they need, without excess expenditures.

You can't make people spend their money wisely.

[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;28715944]You can't make people spend their money wisely.[/QUOTE] Au contraire, this prevents people from starving to death because they spent all their allowance on things other than essential items, by disallowing purchases of alcohol, and cigarettes. Both of which rack up huge bills if you're addicted to either.

I think everyone needs to rate the opening post dumb, to get the message to anyone not willing to read 4 pages in.

[QUOTE=Treybuchet;28710966] This is actually quite brilliant. so basically, think about it this way: 1. A debit card for your welfare. you can only really use it to buy food and other essentials, such as repairs if your car breaks down, or clothing. 2. The 20$ is not some legalese nonsense. It's very simple. You can withdraw 20 dollars from your account and do anything you want with it. It's a bit of money you can use to get a haircut for a job interview, or just to buy drugs and booze. Whatever you want with that $20. It's not, as of yet, particularly exploitative or bad. It simply suggests that we standardize it in such a way that it can't be as easily abused, if anyone did that, while not harming those who need it.[/QUOTE] And how is someone going to pay rent with a debit card? $20 cash isn't enough. I know for a fact that many landlords only accept cash. (They're not set up for debit/credit and anyone who accepts cheques is a moron)

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28716901]And how is someone going to pay rent with a debit card? $20 cash isn't enough. I know for a fact that many landlords only accept cash. (They're not set up for debit/credit and anyone who accepts cheques is a moron)[/QUOTE] Simple, welfare pays that part. Most of the people who will be getting this card are section eight, which means that the government pays all, if not most of housing and utilities.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28716901]And how is someone going to pay rent with a debit card? $20 cash isn't enough. I know for a fact that many landlords only accept cash. (They're not set up for debit/credit and anyone who accepts cheques is a moron)[/QUOTE] Maybe in Canada, but checks are still valid and widely accepted in the United States

[QUOTE=Broseph_;28717722]Maybe in Canada, but checks are still valid and widely accepted in the United States[/QUOTE] He said morons accept checks. Which is what these people you're referring to are.

Yea that ought to learn me to be poor. Next time I will just be rich like a good little boy should. But really I cant stand this thinking its the poor persons fault for being poor attitude a lot of republicans have.

As a republican, I do not see hope for our party if we make these unpopular and stupid decisions.

[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;28717325]Simple, welfare pays that part. Most of the people who will be getting this card are section eight, which means that the government pays all, if not most of housing and utilities.[/QUOTE] You say most but what about the ones who aren't

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28718890]You say most but what about the ones who aren't[/QUOTE] The ones who aren't are typically well off enough to afford utilities and housing, but can't keep food on the table. Those who fall into this aren't section eight.

[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;28717325]Simple, welfare pays that part. Most of the people who will be getting this card are section eight, which means that the government pays all, if not most of housing and utilities.[/QUOTE] Its about 60% and its only in very poor drug filled places. But most landowners ask for cash under the table. I have lived in about 4 section 8 places and all needed money under the table in cash. Also section 8 isn't something you can get easily it takes years and in many ways is harder to get then welfare. Also most people who have welfare do not have section 8.

[QUOTE=Earthen;28715410]Why not just herd them into camps then? It would cut down on logistics problems. All I'm saying is that forcing people on welfare to only be allowed a small amount of money for themselves is illogical. They are adults and should have the freedom to do what they want with the money. If they want to spend it on random shit, then let them. This goes back to Soviet-era socialism where you had a fucking allowance. If the people on welfare refuse to buy what they need, then we need to find alternative solutions rather than taking their money away. I highly doubt they will learn. There are people on welfare who use it wisely. Suddenly they can only withdraw a certain amount? [editline]20th March 2011[/editline] See my response to ExplodingGuy on the bill. The concept of the bill of rights AKA people's rights is still being undermined here. Forcing people to only be able to withdraw something tiny for themselves is against the bill.[/QUOTE] The bill of rights is a set of constitutional amendments that restrict the power of the gov't to do cretin things. It is not the UDHR or an end-all. You toss it around like most assholes toss "unconstitutional". And they are giving people with no money money. So all bets are off there.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28719295]its about 60% and its only in very poor drug filled places. But most landowners ask for cash under the table. I have lived in about 4 section 8 places and all needed money under the table in cash. Also section 8 isn't something you can get easily it takes years and in many ways is harder to get then welfare. Also most people who have welfare do not have section 8.[/QUOTE] Well I don't know who to believe here anymore, I'm not well versed on America's welfare system but it seems to me that the people proposing this bill aren't either

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;28702108]This is an incentive to get the fuck off welfare, an incentive that has been needed for decades.[/QUOTE] oh my fuck you are so dumb and ignorant.

Well, since I don't live in America, here's a question. Is it really as bad as it sounds? I mean, you seem to always hear some shit about retarded republican laws and wars and shit, but does it really affect the everyday guy, or is it just the media being stupid. Always been curious

[QUOTE=Croix;28722352]Well, since I don't live in America, here's a question. Is it really as bad as it sounds? I mean, you seem to always hear some shit about retarded republican laws and wars and shit, but does it really affect the everyday guy, or is it just the media being stupid. Always been curious[/QUOTE] The mainstream media in North America rarely reports on things like this. It's more common than the average person realizes, and it does end up affecting them in the end. (But because they don't know why the conservatives can just blame it on the liberals)

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[QUOTE=Croix;28722352]Is it really as bad as it sounds?[/QUOTE] Is it as bad as a satire website or bloggers describe it? [b]No[/b]. Is it stupid anyway? Yes.