Protesters and police clash over nuclear waste train. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=bravehat;25923135]Nuclear waste is transported in containers that are lined with at least 3 cm of lead, enough to cut the particles released to the environment by at least half - 3 quarters. It is then encased in concrete to further strengthen it and reduce particle release. People have to stop being so fucking stupid about nuclear power and waste management, it's fucking retarded, fuck there weren't even that many deaths from chernobyl and people bitch about it, and even now, after multiple super improved reactor designs people still think it's somehow relevant. Nuclear power = Good. End of discussion.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but yeah there were a fuckload of deaths and problems caused by chernobyl. Otherwise I agree with you.

Nuclear waste train would be a cool name for a metal band. Actually not sacriligous enough. Hmmm. Jesus's nuclear waste train! AND DONE MAKE THIS NOW

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;25930566]I'm sorry, but yeah there were a fuckload of deaths and problems caused by chernobyl. Otherwise I agree with you.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.magma.ca/~jalrober/Howbad.htm[/url] Less than 100 people died from exposure. With, at most, 10,000 people dieing from cleanup and after problems.

Thought process of a hippy in this situation. Nuclear = Dangerous, bad = must stop at any cost, at which point their brain gets the idea to do something completely stupid, IE: Sabotage and after they got their plan all thought processes regarding anything beyond their current goals stop.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;25922948][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mHtOW-OBO4[/media] You, and all these people, have no reason to be afraid.[/QUOTE] I want to see them drop one of those. FROM ORBIT!

[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;25925901]After watching some of the tests that these waste caskets go through, I have nothing but confidence in their safety. People get so worked up over nothing.[/QUOTE] Why take the risk though? Murphy's law, anything that can go wrong, will go wrong.

I like how everyone missed the bit of information where we now have the capabilities to use our own nuclear waste as another source of energy? Meaning....we recycle it till its gone..

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;25935197]And when we run out of uranium?[/QUOTE] We're gonna run out of crude oil WAAAAAAY before that.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;25935197]And when we run out of uranium?[/QUOTE] By then we will have fusion energy to replace it.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;25935197]And when we run out of uranium?[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure you recycle uranium rods if I remember correctly. [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;25935471]I like how everyone missed the bit of information where we now have the capabilities to use our own nuclear waste as another source of energy? Meaning....we recycle it till its gone..[/QUOTE] no no no nuklear is bad havent you seen the simpsons poor blinky

Yes it can be recycled. Although i think it costs alot of money to make the waste usable again, so they would rather mine some more. I don't know for sure, but if i remember correctly it still contains 80% of the energy after being used.

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25922876]hey i know, let's try and make a train carrying dangerous nuclear material crash! [/QUOTE] uh, no they weren't [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=bravehat;25923135]Nuclear waste is transported in containers that are lined with at least 3 cm of lead, enough to cut the particles released to the environment by at least half - 3 quarters. It is then encased in concrete to further strengthen it and reduce particle release. People have to stop being so fucking stupid about nuclear power and waste management, it's fucking retarded, fuck there weren't even that many deaths from chernobyl and people bitch about it, and even now, after multiple super improved reactor designs people still think it's somehow relevant. Nuclear power = Good. End of discussion.[/QUOTE] Nuclear power is not green, nor is it sustainable. [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=acds;25923330]I thought we would be past the "OMG NUKLEAR POWER KILL EVERYTHING", people just link "nuclear" to the bombs. Should we have only coal and oil instead? That would really be dangerous. Want "green" (that word pisses me off) energy? Then sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up and accept the 20%+ increase in taxes so that there is enough money to build them.[/QUOTE] nuclear proliferation? And nuclear power isn't fucking green. [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;25925416]NUCLEAR POWER IS EVIL IN THE LAST 60 YEARS THERE HAVE BEEN AS MANY AS TWO ACCIDENTS IN THE WORLD AND ONE WAS A RELEASE OF GAS THAT KILLED NO-ONE BUT WAS SCAAAARY AND THE OTHER WAS AN EXPLOSION BECAUSE THE SOVIETS PUT AN lNEXPERIENCED CREW IN CHARGE AND MADE THEM DO TESTS AND TURN OFF THE SAFETY MEASURES AND THAT KILLED A FEW THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT'S ALMOST AS MANY AS FOSSIL FUEL POWER STATIONS KILL EVERY YEAR NUCLEAR POWER IS EEEEEEEEVIL[/QUOTE] oh shut up [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=MIPS;25925568]Pardon me but... It takes at least half a mile for a loaded train to stop. Seeing as they would be swinging targets, I would hit the brakes about 500 feet up the line and sit back and watch them get reduced to fender ketchup. That's [i]totally[/i] a way to get your point across that the containers might be unsafe: cause the train to derail and potentially cause a nuclear accident when said containters, which you yourself said might be unsafe, open up and contaminate the close proximity land and water table. Get your logic straight you hippies before you try these bullshit stunts.[/QUOTE] the police and train operators were dealing with the protesters all fucking day, the train was moving abysmally slow. before acting like a complete fucking tool, get YOUR logic straight. [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Haxxer;25925615]If people don't understand how something works, they're afraid of it Truth[/QUOTE] Really, so it being harmful to the environment is not something to dislike? oh sure, who gives a fuck about the environment! who needs it

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;25935197]And when we run out of uranium?[/QUOTE] Then we make more via the process of artificial transmutation.

[QUOTE=Warhol;25936130]Words[/QUOTE] Somebody doesn't know what they're talking about, I'm looking at you Warhol.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;25936335]Somebody doesn't know what they're talking about, I'm looking at you Warhol.[/QUOTE] You're a conservative Jehovah's witness. I'll just leave it at that

[QUOTE=Warhol;25936130] Really, so it being harmful to the environment is not something to dislike? oh sure, who gives a fuck about the environment! who needs it[/QUOTE] It's not like they just dump the nuclear waste in some random forest. They dump it in remote places where it wont affect life like an abandoned mine.

[QUOTE=Boomersocks;25936366]It's not like they just dump the nuclear waste in some random forest. They dump it in remote places where it wont affect life like an abandoned mine.[/QUOTE] It takes 10,000 years for it to die. And if you're aiming for long term use, with the rate nuclear power bleeds through, you're going to have a tonne of waste just buried everywhere.

[QUOTE=Warhol;25936426]It takes 10,000 years for it to die. And if you're aiming for long term use, with the rate nuclear power bleeds through, you're going to have a tonne of waste just buried everywhere.[/QUOTE] nuclear waste doesn't die

[QUOTE=rampageturke;25936455]nuclear waste doesn't die[/QUOTE] Decays*

[QUOTE=Warhol;25936496]Decays*[/QUOTE] It depends there's different kinds of nuclear waste, with different half lifes.

[QUOTE=Warhol;25936426]It takes 10,000 years for it to die. And if you're aiming for long term use, with the rate nuclear power bleeds through, you're going to have a tonne of waste just buried everywhere.[/QUOTE] It does take longer for some nuclear wastes to decay btw. The newest generation of nuclear power plants can recycle the waste and what's the harm in having waste buried "everywhere" if its harmless in these solid steel containers buried in mines?

[QUOTE=acds;25923330]I thought we would be past the "OMG NUKLEAR POWER KILL EVERYTHING", people just link "nuclear" to the bombs. Should we have only coal and oil instead? That would really be dangerous. Want "green" (that word pisses me off) energy? Then sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up and accept the 20%+ increase in taxes so that there is enough money to build them.[/QUOTE] If you want this so bad, I'm sure you'll cover the 20% increase in taxes for me, right? If not, YOU sit down and shut the fuck up. I'm tired of people like you just saying tax people 20% more, who can barely afford the taxes they got now. -Explained & Sorted- | V

[QUOTE=Superstormj;25937833]Where's the "Fuck Off" rating? If you want this so bad, I'm sure you'll cover the 20% increase in taxes for me, right? If not, YOU sit down and shut the fuck up. I'm tired of people like you just saying tax people 20% more, who can barely afford the taxes they got now. Here he comes, I see him reading.[/QUOTE] That was exactly my point, the only way to have [B]only[/B] green energy is to tax people a shitload, and no-one wants that.

[QUOTE=acds;25937886]Where's the "Bad Reading" rating? That was exactly my point, the only way to have [B]only[/B] green energy is to tax people a shitload, and no-one wants that.[/QUOTE] My bad then, slipped by me. I apologize.

[QUOTE=Superstormj;25937921]My bad then, slipped by me. I apologize.[/QUOTE] No need to apologize, happens.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;25930566]I'm sorry, but yeah there were a fuckload of deaths and problems caused by chernobyl. Otherwise I agree with you.[/QUOTE] A UN report cited that around 69 deaths were attributed directly to the incident, and those were mostly those who were working to clean up the contamination and working on building the sarcophagus. The only cancers that could be attributed to chernobyl specifically was thyroid cancers which about 90% were treated effectively. The only major issues were the disaster being blown out of proportion by the media, causing people in the surrounding area to think they were guaranteed dead, that lead to a lot of suicides and alcoholism. Fear of nuclear power has done far more damage than nuclear power ever has, or ever will do. [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=rampageturke;25936507]It depends there's different kinds of nuclear waste, with different half lifes.[/QUOTE] All nuclear material decays, just at different rates. [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Warhol;25936130]uh, no they weren't [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] Nuclear power is not green, nor is it sustainable. [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] nuclear proliferation? And nuclear power isn't fucking green. [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] oh shut up [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] the police and train operators were dealing with the protesters all fucking day, the train was moving abysmally slow. before acting like a complete fucking tool, get YOUR logic straight. [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] Really, so it being harmful to the environment is not something to dislike? oh sure, who gives a fuck about the environment! who needs it[/QUOTE] Warhol I never said nuclear was green, and I didn't say it was sustainable either, but it is sustainable for far longer than coal. Besides the energy density is brilliant, something like one kilo of U-235 is the equivalent of 3000 or so tons of coal.

[QUOTE=Warhol;25936361]You're a conservative Jehovah's witness. I'll just leave it at that[/QUOTE] Haha, conservative, sure.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;25935197]And when we run out of uranium?[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium[/url] This can serve as a fuel and the byproduct is uranium, which can in turn also be used as a fuel. It is several orders of magnitude more common than Uranium. This is just one of a number of radioactive sources of energy. We have enough nuclear energy for a LONG time. Oh and while we are at it: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_depletion[/url] Only some folks even agree that Uranium is at risk of running out. Any estimate suggesting we will run out any time soon fails to take into consideration that seawater contains roughly 1000 times the amount of uranium located in known reserves. It is also thought that this supply is actually renewing itself constantly through the energy collected by the sun and is basically an inexhaustible source of uranium, provided we can efficiently collect it.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;25923220]Also that shit about the containers being glass sounds like bullshit to me. They don't transport nuclear waste in glass containers. I'm pretty sure it's globally mandatory that you have to transport any form of nuclear waste in the giant steel flasks that are in the video.[/QUOTE] Highly nuclear waste is melted into glass. Later it's put into cans and those into the containers.

Dat Nuclear glass. [img]http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/2901/original/dat-ass-2.jpg?1243812540[/img]