Protesters and police clash over nuclear waste train. - Polidicks

Stupid people protesting about nuclear power and the way over-exaggerated danger of its waste. It's these people we have to thank for having so many coal plants in the US and Europe. :argh:

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;25923417]They didn't do it on purpose. The crew that was brought in was a skeleton crew that knew nothing about nuclear reactors. They had to do some tests that were put off for months. They didn't know what they were doing. Not to mention the Chernobyl reactors were USSR made pieces of shit.[/QUOTE] Chernobyl happened because of missusage and the design of the reactor. The reactor got shutdown and turned on too early again. This caused the Xenon (which vanish after a time) "eating" the slow neutrons which are needed for fission (Xenon-Poisoning). Because the reaction couldn't start (due to Xenon-Poisoning), they inserted more graphite-moderators to produce more slow neutrons for the fission to start. They did it by bypassing an electronical circuit. The Xenon now got "eaten up" by the neutrons so there were too much neutrons in the reactor. The fission became uncontrolled. The design-problem was, that once the fission becomes critical in a graphite-moderated reactor, nothing can stop it. Modern reactors use water for moderating (slowing down the neutrons). If the reaction becomes critical, the water boils so it can't moderate the neutrons anymore. This causes the reaction to literally stop. [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Van-man;25935500]We're gonna run out of crude oil WAAAAAAY before that.[/QUOTE] If we replace coal and oil power-plants by nuclear power-plants, the nuclear fuel will not last any longer than 5 years while coal etc lasts at least 100 more years. I currently don't have any other sources than the slides of my professor (they are in German), but it's true.

[QUOTE=aVoN;25939962]Chernobyl happened because of missusage and the design of the reactor. The reactor got shutdown and turned on too early again. This caused the Xenon (which vanish after a time) "eating" the slow neutrons which are needed for fission (Xenon-Poisoning). Because the reaction couldn't start (due to Xenon-Poisoning), they inserted more graphite-moderators to produce more slow neutrons for the fission to start. They did it by bypassing an electronical circuit. The Xenon now got "eaten up" by the neutrons so there were too much neutrons in the reactor. The fission became uncontrolled. The design-problem was, that once the fission becomes critical in a graphite-moderated reactor, nothing can stop it. Modern reactors use water for moderating (slowing down the neutrons). If the reaction becomes critical, the water boils so it can't moderate the neutrons anymore. This causes the reaction to literally stop.[/QUOTE] I heard also, when they tried to insert control rods to get the reaction back under control, the reaction was sped up even further because the control rods were graphite tipped to stop them welding to the bottom of the reactor. The metal 'lid' of the reactor expanded due to the heat and trapped the control rods partially in, with the moderating tips still exposed. Is this true?

[QUOTE=petieng;25940027]I heard also, when they tried to insert control rods to get the reaction back under control, the reaction was sped up even further because the control rods were graphite tipped to stop them welding to the bottom of the reactor. The metal 'lid' of the reactor expanded due to the heat and trapped the control rods partially in, with the moderating tips still exposed. Is this true?[/QUOTE] I mixed something up in my post: The reactor used fuel-rods which were layered by uranium-graphite-uranium-... etc. So the fuel rods itself produced slow neutrons. Then there were control rods which stopped the slow neutrons from one rod coming to another one. These rods were removed out of the reactor (too much of them) to gain a higher neutron-density (which was necessary because of the Xenon-Poisoning). So they didn't put in more graphite-moderators to get more neutrons but they removed the controle-rods which stopped the neutrons. Anyway, the cause was the same: Xenon vanished, poisoning gone, super-criticality due to too much slow neutrons. (More here: [url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/reaction/readings/chernobyl.html[/url])

Radio is bad active bad

[QUOTE=bravehat;25937974] Warhol I never said nuclear was green, and I didn't say it was sustainable either, but it is sustainable for far longer than coal. Besides the energy density is brilliant, something like one kilo of U-235 is the equivalent of 3000 or so tons of coal.[/QUOTE] Oh, yeah, in comparison to petrol or coal, Nuclear is a lot healthier.

[QUOTE=Warhol;25936130]uh, no they weren't [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] Nuclear power is not green, nor is it sustainable. [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] nuclear proliferation? And nuclear power isn't fucking green. [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] oh shut up [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] the police and train operators were dealing with the protesters all fucking day, the train was moving abysmally slow. before acting like a complete fucking tool, get YOUR logic straight. [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] Really, so it being harmful to the environment is not something to dislike? oh sure, who gives a fuck about the environment! who needs it[/QUOTE] there's an environment underneath a mountain where all the waste is stored? news to me. Its not sustainable because all uranium reserves will last a COUPLE HUNDRED YEARS, if not thousands. By then we'll probably have something better. Nuclear fission will just be a brief stepping stone

Lets nuclear america.

[QUOTE=Warhol;25942318]Oh, yeah, in comparison to petrol or coal, Nuclear is a lot healthier.[/QUOTE] I suppose that's about as close to an apology I'll get aye? It's a lot cleaner than any fossil fuel, and now we can control it pretty easily, and we have the bad ass idea of molten salt reactors now.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;25935197]And when we run out of uranium?[/QUOTE] ... are you retarded? Read up, please: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium[/url] "It is formed from volcanic activity and has an average concentration in the earth's crust of about 2 parts per million." *edit* Just so you know... 2 parts per million is ridiculously huge.

[QUOTE=Warhol;25942318]Oh, yeah, in comparison to petrol or coal, Nuclear is a lot healthier.[/QUOTE] Lets not forget that it produces electricity much cheaper as well.

I hope the police win this one. [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] A nuclear power plant is providing the power to make this post. Or at least 55% of it. Rock on prairie island. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prairie_Island_Nuclear_Power_Plant[/url]

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;25922948][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mHtOW-OBO4[/media] You, and all these people, have no reason to be afraid.[/QUOTE] I like the thought process behind this. Crash a truck into it, fine. Crash a rocket propelled truck into it, fine. Crash a rocket propelled train into it, fine. Set it on fire, fine.

25 killstreak?

[quote]at least 1,000 protesters who were trying to sabotage railway tracks.[/quote] What exactly were they hoping to accomplish with this?

[QUOTE=bravehat;25942779]I suppose that's about as close to an apology I'll get aye? It's a lot cleaner than any fossil fuel, and now we can control it pretty easily, and we have the bad ass idea of molten salt reactors now.[/QUOTE] Apology for what?

[QUOTE=GhostSonic;25944540]What exactly were they hoping to accomplish with this?[/QUOTE] Not let the train move so it can't dump the waste, or have it derail They're not very smart either way

All you guys know, all a nuclear power plant does is boil water right?

Nuclear trains are the new automobiles.

[QUOTE=Haxxer;25925615]If people don't understand how something works, they're afraid of it Truth[/QUOTE] Guns.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;25943326]... are you retarded? Read up, please: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium[/url] "It is formed from volcanic activity and has an average concentration in the earth's crust of about 2 parts per million." *edit* Just so you know... 2 parts per million is ridiculously huge.[/QUOTE] 2 parts per million is fucking tiny, are you retarded? [editline]9th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Warhol;25945179]Apology for what?[/QUOTE] You putting words into my mouth again, assuming I meant it was green and sustainable. [editline]9th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Milkyway M16;25946360]Guns.[/QUOTE] Genius idea, compare nuclear power, a civilian method of generating power safely, to a machine built specifically to terminate life at a distance. Fucking, glorious logic that is my child. And who the fuck is scared of guns anyway? the gun isn't what you should worry about, it's the people who could be wielding it.

I understand there are probably TONS of safety measures in place to prevent the waste from getting out, even if the train is derailed. But seriously, what the flying fuck? Its moments like these where I fear for humanity's future.

[QUOTE=Firefox42;25935573]By then we will have fusion energy to replace it.[/QUOTE] Use Helium 3

[QUOTE=ewitwins;25943326]... are you retarded? Read up, please: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium[/url] "It is formed from volcanic activity and has an average concentration in the earth's crust of about 2 parts per million." *edit* Just so you know... 2 parts per million is ridiculously huge.[/QUOTE] Because people still stick with their opinion "uranium is available in huge quantities", I need to post this... These graphics are from a lecture I heard at my university. The first shows the fraction of different resources to world's power-consumption and the second shows, how long different resources would last just to replace the need of oil... [img]http://files.daggeringcats.com//FacePunch/energy_usage_statistics.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Whomobile;25930030]Silly hipster hippies who failed school and don't listen to anyone over thier super-inflated egos.[/QUOTE] Thought so.