• Cops don't need a warrant to see your e-mail—but they might soon
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[QUOTE=Barbarian887;37841316]that's what I'd like to know it's not like they can read actual physical mail if someone wants to read my youtube / ironmagazine spam that somehow gets in there, along with the occasional email for friends / family. I say have at it, i really don't care ... [editline]29th September 2012[/editline] it'd be difficult to jerk off, only issue i'd have[/QUOTE] Worst poster 2012. It is sometimes nice to have privacy. Go read Orwell's 1984.
[QUOTE=Noble;37803567]It's a fucking disgusting mindset. If you want to make every detail about your own life public, feel free, but don't sit there and argue that everyone else should go along with this stupid mentality because "they shouldn't have anything to hide".[/QUOTE] unless you're a crime lord (who for some reason uses e-mail) or involved in some heavy shit, no one is going to have an interest in monitoring your emails [editline]29th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=MadPro119;37841376]Worst poster 2012. It is sometimes nice to have privacy. Go read Orwell's 1984.[/QUOTE] sure i like privacy too, in the real world, where things really matter and not on the fucking internet
[QUOTE=Barbarian887;37841377]unless you're a crime lord (who for some reason uses e-mail) or involved in some heavy shit, no one is going to have an interest in monitoring your emails [editline]29th September 2012[/editline] sure i like privacy too, in the real world, where things really matter and not on the fucking internet[/QUOTE] Right the internet is not real world or useful and is not a major proponent in relationships and business nowadays.
[QUOTE=MadPro119;37841407]Right the internet is not real world or useful and is not a major proponent in relationships and business nowadays.[/QUOTE] it's good for conveying information but not much else. [editline]29th September 2012[/editline] Telephones are good for conversations and discussing private matters
[QUOTE=Barbarian887;37841425]it's good for conveying information but not much else.[/QUOTE] So explain how this is different than if say, hypothetically... The government had a machine that could scan physical mail and read it and do anything with its information without opening the envelope. Would you be fine with that? That is essentially what is happening here.
[QUOTE=MadPro119;37841440]So explain how this is different than if say, hypothetically... The government had a machine that could scan physical mail and read it and do anything with its information without opening the envelope. Would you be fine with that? That is essentially what is happening here.[/QUOTE] important documents are only ever physical, so what you get in a mailbox and what you get in your e-mail account are two very different things. A machine I don't think would be able to determine illegal activity through AI, so it would have to be agents directly investigating you, in which case you must have done some serious shit to draw their attention like that.
[QUOTE=Barbarian887;37841558]important documents are only ever physical, so what you get in a mailbox and what you get in your e-mail account are two very different things. A machine I don't think would be able to determine illegal activity through AI, so it would have to be agents directly investigating you, in which case you must have done some serious shit to draw their attention like that.[/QUOTE] First of all: No, no they are not. Far from. Email is faster and more convenient then normal mail. Second: You'd be surprised by what information you can get by your email. Your email can effectively tell which sites you're visiting. By recognizing patterns in your behavior and comparing them to real criminals they can get warning flags and investigate you for the possibility of having done a crime. You're an ignorant fool if you don't see the dangers of allowing law enforcement or government to monitor things you do. At least unless they have a valid court order or warrant. I wrote four reasons why it's dangerous above, perhaps you should read it.
but if you havent done any crime what do you have to fear?
[QUOTE=Barbarian887;37841829]but if you havent done any crime what do you have to fear?[/QUOTE] Have you read this? [QUOTE=Fear_Fox;37806275]Four problems with this: First: It's [I]not you[/I] who decides what is legal or not. Sure, today you might know who runs everything today and decides what is legal or not. But tomorrow you don't. If some new corrupt government is put into place that makes something which obviously should be legal, like complaining about the government, illegal then they already have all the tools to easily govern and check who's breaking these laws. And sometimes, laws has to be broken for a society to move forward. Back in the days homosexuality was illegal (and still is in some countries), but it had to be changed. If a massive system to monitor people is put into place, these things can't happened. Second: People will self-censor themselves. If you know someone is watching, you will start thinking "if I do this, can it be viewed as I'm doing something bad?" and thus will stop doing important things. For example, in Germany when the Data Collection Directive was put in place, studies showed that people stopped calling their psychologists or lawyers because they thought just that "can this be viewed like I've done something bad?". By monitoring someone, you can easily get out a lot of information about someone, information you don't even know yourself. There was an example of some store in the US that only by monitoring what people purchase (and this is done) can check very accurately if a woman is pregnant. Because they've found patterns in what women buys if they are pregnant. Third: People has a very psychological need to have things for themselves. For example, if you go into the bathroom you close and lock the door. Everyone knows what you're doing in there, but yet you want the privacy to do it alone. They are accusingly saying "I have the rights to look at your private life, otherwise you're a criminal." Fourth: For the society to prosper and develop, privacy needs to be in place. Again with the homosexuality, it was illegal before but now isn't. If you can't question laws, then they can't be improved or changed for the better. You have to be able to do that, without having to fear for any precautions. We've seen, and still see, multiple examples of what happens if the government starts monitoring. Both the old Nazi Germany (I know Godwin's law, but it works here) and Soviet Union are good examples. Today we also have China and North Korea, both are good examples. Conclusion: If you're not doing anything illegal you have everything to fear.[/QUOTE] I know it's a bit long, but it explains exactly what you have to fear.
[QUOTE=Barbarian887;37841829]but if you havent done any crime what do you have to fear?[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter what we 'have to fear'. We're smart enough to not trust the suits on Capitol Hill with the power to snoop around in our daily lives like this. What's legal today may be illegal tomorrow, and if they can freely snoop in your private communications they're far more likely to criminalize petty shit just so they can fine us and remove what little power we still have. But hey. You don't give a damn if the government's got a constant eye on your private life, so how's bout popping a webcam up, aiming it at wherever you spend the most of your leisure time, and posting the IP so all of Facepunch can tune in? You have nothing to hide so you shouldn't have any objection to us watching you.
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