• 'It's Not Rape, It's a Snuggle With a Struggle;' Tshirt pulled From Malls
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[QUOTE=rakker;46064941]I still think this one is better [img]http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0537/4221/products/neverforgettibravery_grande.jpg[/img] [url]http://thatshirtwascash.com/products/never-forgetti[/url][/QUOTE] Fucking purchased. I'm never going to wear it, just frame it up like it's a priceless work of art. :v:
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46070429]It's not edgy to not give a shit about some strangers opinion.[/QUOTE] No, that's exactly what it is. Just because you don't know someone doesn't mean you can act however you want to them - it's actually the complete opposite.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46070560] Neither are holocaust jokes or aids jokes, but those are made on an almost daily basis. So why's rape somehow the "magic line" that can't be crossed?[/QUOTE] I'm not saying you shouldn't make holocaust or aids jokes either man, I'm saying that shit has a time and a place and it's not 24/7 on a t-shirt where the general public can see it. Besides, anyone that would choose to wear a shirt with some dumb holocaust joke on it is probably a massive dirtbag. You joke about that kind of stuff on the internet 'cause it's anonymous and you don't have to claim responsibility to anything, and you're most likely chatting with an audience that enjoys that kind of humor. In the real world, that shits different, and the only reason you'd wear something like that is if you have 0 understanding of basic social values. You can joke about a dark thing, but wearing a shitty shirt with a dark joke on your chest and walking around with it on in public is dumb.
i'd wear it
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;46068485]OK so let me get this straight. This shirt with a rape joke is sold in a mall called [I]SM[/I]. For brief a moment I thought that there was a mall somewhere in the Philippines entirely dedicated to selling bondage gear and kinky stuff. :v:[/QUOTE] The guy who founded it during the 50s started as a shoe store called [b]S[/b]hoe[b]M[/b]art, then through the decades it expanded into multiple mall chains and such, but still retaining the name SM.
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;46068344]"learn to take a joke" = "I dont care about your feelings i just dont want to take responsibility for my actions, so it's your fault for being offended as opposed to mine for saying something offensive" [editline]24th September 2014[/editline] i mean i know you didnt make the joke here but you make it seem like it's okay to say this stuff regardless of its bad taste which puts you about the same level.[/QUOTE] Why should any stranger on the internet give a shit about your [i]feelings being hurt[/i]
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;46064486]Poor taste always ends up on some shirt. Luckily they're getting discarded. This kind of humour isn't funny.[/QUOTE] What are you talking about, all humour is funny. That's why it's called humour.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46070429]Who defines being "decent" anyway? Is there some sort of universal definition of "decent"? [/QUOTE] well for starters trivializing a serious issue in a time where plenty of people don't understand just how serious it is could easily be classified as "not decent"
"rape doesn't bother me so it's not a big deal"- this dude
[B]Fixed[/B] [QUOTE=mikeyt493;46073176]"Something that offends other people, doesn't offend me"- this dude[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46073433]but i'm not so much of a child as to get offended by some random fuck on the street wearing a shirt like this.[/QUOTE] Okay then put yourself in the shoes of a rape victim. Do you think they are "acting like a child" when they get upset if they see someone trivializing and joking about it? Do you think "lol grow thicker skin"? If you honestly think that, you're disgusting.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46073461]I think that one's personal feelings have no bearing on someone else's right to do something. You can get buttdevestated all you want about someone wearing this, but at the end of the day you can't do shit about it and he has every right to wear it; even if it makes him look like a dildo.[/QUOTE] You could atleast have some sliver of empathy.
I'm pretty sure Jimmy Carr has joke that's based on this line, something about roleplay.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46073539]Why? What a waste of time "hang on, lemme not do this; it might offend someone". No, people on the internet exagerate just how offended they really are, i garen-fucking-tee you that no-one in this thread would say anything to someone wearing this shirt; and would simply mutter "wow, what an asshole" under their breath while walking away. No-one has lost sleep over this shirt. Period. And anyone saying they have is lying, or in need of comittment to a psych institute.[/QUOTE] ??????? I cant help but feel you're being deliberately dense and contrarian here. ok i get that ur a big toughguy who doesnt give a shit about anyone and you wanna look hard online but while the shirt is not the same as actually raping someone it's still turning a traumatising, PTSD-causing, potentially life ruining incident into a fucking lowbrow joke slogan for you to parade cos you're an asshole. How do you honestly think that's acceptable? Do you think wearing some shitty-ass manchild shirt is more important than being considerate of fucking rape victims? Do you literally have no empathy? There is no situation in the world where this shirt is acceptable. You say someone calling someone out for wearing an offensive shirt needs to be committed to psych? Whoever's wearing the shirt is likely less well-adjusted than the conscientious person calling them out. You make it seem like being polite and thoughtful (hell, it's barely even that- it's passive. It's actually easier to not offend with clothes than it is to offend. You would have to actually go to effort to wear something like this for the sake of shock "humour") is a goddamn debilitating task that's having a major impact on your life. It's not. You know what [I]is[/I] debilitating and majorly life-affecting? Rape. Get a fucking grip. [editline]25th September 2014[/editline] It goes beyond this specific shirt, too. It's the principle behind it. Rape jokes are never funny or acceptable.
so what ur saying is, rape jokes are ok purely because you cant be bothered to think for the split second it takes to decide if a joke is acceptable or not? gg
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;46073585]It goes beyond this specific shirt, too. It's the principle behind it. Rape jokes are never funny or acceptable.[/QUOTE] They can be funny and acceptable in the right company. If you think otherwise then you are closed minded and probably incapable of rational discussion in regards to the topic. If people are willing to laugh at rape jokes, It's because they: A) were never effected by it or B)Have learned to deal with it in a rational way that doesn't involve shitting on other people's sense of morality.
ohh I see the responsibility lies entirely with the rape victim! u are correct. It is their fault for being a big baby and getting upset over you joking about their traumatising experience sorry. u are right. they should all just man up and let you have your jokes. clearly thats the bigger issue here. carry on... rape away friend!! hahahah
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46073702]What I'm saying is, rape jokes are ok, because we can all be grown ass adults and excuse ourselves if someone is saying something offensive.[/QUOTE] So you think "It's okay to tell rape jokes when in the company of a rape victim, because it's their fault for listening". You must be fucking surrounded by friends.
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;46073710]carry on... rape away friend!! hahahah[/QUOTE] You just made a rape joke to try and prove a point. I thought you said they were never acceptable?
Reminds me of the shirts T-ShirtHell used to have. Like "I fucked the Olsen Twins before they were famous," or "I bought Christopher Reeve's wheelchair on Ebay."
[QUOTE=Kardia;46073724]You just made a rape joke to try and prove a point. I thought you said they were never acceptable?[/QUOTE] youre reaching lol but ok youre right ill give you that one even if you deliberately took it entirely out of context to put a black mark against me. It was a thoughtless joke that I shouldn't have said but I don't think it undoes everything else. I wouldn't say it puts me on the same level either since that was an accidental slip-up rather than a thought out justification of the trivialisation of rape. Plus I said it not as shock humour like the shirt but rather to point out how stupid rape jokes are (yes.. its biting satire) but i guess its still a rape joke however i think my point remains. Not trying to justify it but I wouldn't say it's as bad as the T-shirt, saying rape jokes are okay, or the victim blaming that's going on here.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46073931]Please, Tell me more about how it's everyone's responsibility to avoid offending someone, and it shouldn't be up to the person who's offended to take action to remove the offense.[/QUOTE] That's not what he's saying. You're saying "If you're upset by the joke it's your fault for hearing it", and that it shouldn't be the person _[B]joking about rape[/B]_'s responsibility to at least try and think twice about saying it. Do you not interact with other people in real life, or
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46073931]Please, Tell me more about how it's everyone's responsibility to avoid offending someone, and it shouldn't be up to the person who's offended to take action to remove the offense. You cant hit the guy, you cant damage his property, so what's left? That's right, not being a massive child and walking away from the situation.[/QUOTE] Hey I'll go up to a black person and crack racial jokes in front of him, it's not my fault ofcourse because the black person could just walk away instead of staying around me, right
I don't mean to say it's okay, rape jokes aren't fun at all But morally questionable T-shirts [URL="www.vice.com/read/first-amendment-fashion-statements-offensive-t-shirts-are-the-american-way"]been around for alah knows how long[/URL], and that's the point of it. Few things are more attention-craving than T-shirts and pissing people off for no reason. Combining the two is a long-held national pastime that makes baseball seem about as exciting as sniffing Ben Franklin’s beer farts.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46073931]Please, Tell me more about how it's everyone's responsibility to avoid offending someone, and it shouldn't be up to the person who's offended to take action to remove the offense. You cant hit the guy, you cant damage his property, so what's left? That's right, not being a massive child and walking away from the situation.[/QUOTE] Dude I really am not following your logic. We shouldn't tell people to not say or wear offensive stuff because it's not their responsibility to do so? Its somehow OUR fault for having the audacity to listen to or look at somebody in public, instead of the person actually doing that shit? That really doesn't fly with me, dude, you should be held responsible if somebody is offended by something you deliberately and consciously put on. Please don't cite a tumblr anecodte in response to that statement. But yeah go ahead and hyperbolize our arguments by claiming we're tryna censor free speech too or whatever.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46074901]Well for all intents and purposes you are. Are you not saying "don't wear x because it's offensive"?[/QUOTE] telling you that you shouldn't do something isn't censorship if it is, you're censoring us by telling us we shouldn't tell you not to do something
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46074901]Well for all intents and purposes you are. Are you not saying "don't wear x because it's offensive"?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Helix Snake;46074910]telling you that you shouldn't do something isn't censorship[/QUOTE] giving you a fine, locking you up and/or hitting you in the head with a long baseball bat would be, in fact, the censorship you're talking about.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46073963]Let's just ban comedy, since everyone is bound to get offended by something and god forbid you leave the offending situation. [editline]25th September 2014[/editline] I wasn't aware that humanity had developed the ability to be psychic and could instantly tell A rape victim from someone who hadn't been raped.[/QUOTE] No one's saying to ban it, they're just saying that you'd have to be an asshole to wear it
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46076633]Actually people have been saying things like: Which is absolutely ridiculous. On every level.[/QUOTE] some people overzealously condemning someone for being a shitty person doesn't make them a not-shitty person.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46073963]Let's just ban comedy, since everyone is bound to get offended by something and god forbid you leave the offending situation. [editline]25th September 2014[/editline] I wasn't aware that humanity had developed the ability to be psychic and could instantly tell A rape victim from someone who hadn't been raped.[/QUOTE] Blah blah blah are you gonna make a meaningful post or continue vomiting slippery slope and false equivalence like "RAPE JOKES ARE OFFENSIVE? WELP BETTER BAN ALL JOKES BECAUSE THEY COULD OFFEND SOMEONE" lol shut up how obtuse could you possibly be?
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