• US Sen. Graham threatens to cut funds to UN if Obama bypasses Congress on Iran sanctions
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[QUOTE=GunFox;47365111]The responsibility of negotiating with foreign powers is the sole responsibility of the President. In order to avoid bullshit like this, we place diplomatic negotiating authority solely in the hands of the president. Using legislation to bypass this authority is a violation of the separation of powers and the logan act. This is illegal and undermines the entire system.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] The United States is enforcing two types of sanctions on Iran: congressionally mandated ones enacted via legislation, and executive-branch-driven ones instituted via executive order. The repeal or amendment of the congressionally enacted ones must follow the same legislative process all bills must undergo to be passed and signed into law. According to the Treasury Department, there are currently nine acts of Congress that provide the statutory framework for the U.S. sanctions regimen imposed on Tehran. Read more: [url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/2012/12/comment-the-complex-mechanics-of-removing-us-sanctions-on-iran.html#ixzz3UytmylDo[/url][/QUOTE] Sanctions that are part of laws passed by congress cannot be undone without congress doing it. The president can "negotiate" all he wants. This doesn't change any law based sanctions. Using the U.N. to sidestep congress so he doesn't have to go through them to repeal these sanctions is sidestepping congress. That is also a violation of the separation of powers.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47364088]Trying to "work around congress" is also incredibly shortsighted and reckless.[/QUOTE] the president is the unquestionable head representative of US diplomacy, he's also in charge of the entire embassy and all US ambassadors have a line directly to the president, how is he not doing his job as prescribed by the second article of the constitution. for congress to make this kind of claim for PURELY partisan reasons is both sending the message that the US doesn't negotiate in full faith, and is damaging the US's credibility
Oh the things we could accomplish if our government wasn't tearing each other to pieces.... Woo 2 party system! You are either with a party or against em
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47364703]So democracy only works when it's people who share your views who get in? Gotcha. See, I'm not ok with anyone trying to do that. I don't give a fuck if it's a Democrat, Republican, Independent, a turtle, a pencil, or an alarm clock. Our government is designed the way it is for a reason. You don't get the ability to bypass the people the public has chosen to represent them.[/QUOTE] I think we're seeing some pretty compelling evidence that not everyone who gets elected is governing in good faith. Shit needs to keep running for us to have a functional country, and some of them are incapable of doing anything but throwing a wrench into the works in the hopes of somehow making government go away. Somebody has to keep the lights on (and avoid a war with Iran) until the crazy people wake up or go away.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47367611]I think we're seeing some pretty compelling evidence that not everyone who gets elected is governing in good faith. Shit needs to keep running for us to have a functional country, and some of them are incapable of doing anything but throwing a wrench into the works in the hopes of somehow making government go away. Somebody has to keep the lights on (and avoid a war with Iran) until the crazy people wake up or go away.[/QUOTE] I would say they are governing in as good of faith as one can when the opposite party flat out refuses to compromise or work together on any issue. [QUOTE=Sableye;47365596]the president is the unquestionable head representative of US diplomacy, he's also in charge of the entire embassy and all US ambassadors have a line directly to the president, how is he not doing his job as prescribed by the second article of the constitution. for congress to make this kind of claim for PURELY partisan reasons is both sending the message that the US doesn't negotiate in full faith, and is damaging the US's credibility[/QUOTE] Well then, maybe the president should promise things he isn't in control of.
I am from Iran. Does Republicans hold the majority in the senate? If Graham goes to cut the funding for UN, can he do it alone or he needs senates majority vote?
[QUOTE=yabi;47368341]I am from Iran. Does Republicans hold the majority in the senate? If Graham goes to cut the funding for UN, can he do it alone or he needs senates majority vote?[/QUOTE] IIRC, he'll need the support of the rest of the committee he is on. Only afterward, would it go out onto the Senate floor. But yeah, the Republicans control both houses of Congress at the moment. Obama is a lame duck president.
[QUOTE=GunFox;47365111]The responsibility of negotiating with foreign powers is the sole responsibility of the President.[/QUOTE] The responsibility of managing economic legislation is the sole responsibility of Congress. The President may veto a proposed bill, but once it's signed into law he has no right to ignore or circumvent it. Repealing sanctions stipulated through Executive Order is the President's call, but he does not have the power to repeal laws because they happen to put constraints on his role as a negotiator. Going to the UN to seek a policy change and strong-arm Congress into repealing the law may be legal but it's an underhanded thing to do, regardless of how you feel about the Iran sanctions.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47367881]I would say they are governing in as good of faith as one can when the opposite party flat out refuses to compromise or work together on any issue. [/QUOTE] Hahahahaha....haha...ha...oh, wait, you were serious. Democrats have compromised so much that they've allowed the Republican party to drag them all the way to the spot on the political spectrum [I]that was occupied by the Republican party 20 years ago.[/I] They've compromised so much that their biggest domestic policy accomplishment of the last 15 years is a recycled Republican idea from the 90s! The idea that things are only this bad because neither party compromises is a complete farce.
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