Winston Churchill's long lost Tommy Gun has been found. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;46782099]I'm not disrespecting any piece of history or anyone here. I was turned into some "gun toting murdering redneck" by some uninformed individual who should really understand what he's talking about. Again, English forum with tons of gun totin 'mericans as members... This is what happens. You Englishmen hate guns, we love em. That's it.[/QUOTE] There may even be more Americans on this forum than others. Or fucking Chinese, I don't know. Plenty of non-US gun enthusiasts in here as well. And guns ain't just a fun fucking hobby or a sport to you; it's a big and recognizable part of your country's culture. Some love 'em, some hate 'em, and some couldn't give less shit about 'em. That's it.

This thread reminds of being right down to my ankles in mud but cant get out.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;46782289]Sorry to offend you because I have a legal basis for protecting myself and my family.[/QUOTE] How stereotypical of an american can you be. What's next you love nascar aswell?

My god can't anyone fucking talk about Winston Churchill instead of beating the horse that's been dead for half a day?

It'd be cool if they could put that in the Royal Arms Museum

In 10 years americans are gonna argue that they need mortars and rpgs to protect muh familiy

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46782050]no they're going to give it to the police for the gun recycle program[/QUOTE] Just know that there are a lot of people that know no better and would do that. If I saw a Garand or especially a Thompson in the hands of someone at a gun buyback I would pay 5 to 10 times what the buyback was paying on the spot to save it. Hell A full auto Thompson is worth what, 30 grand these days?

[QUOTE=Monkey san;46786549]In 10 years americans are gonna argue that they need mortars and rpgs to protect muh familiy[/QUOTE] This thread is about Winston Churchill, an Englishmen. Stop beating the dead horse.

So attempting to get back on topic, who here knew Churchill was a prisoner of war? This guy was a badass before he was a badass in chief! If there was a roster on the most bad ass politician in the first half of the twentieth century, Churchill would be near the top. Fanboying aside, I guess I tend to think that Churchill is the manifestation of the human spirit during the 1930's and 40's.

The classic tommy gun too bad the police are gonna ruin another piece of history when or if they possibly destroyed a man's antique gun collection. Don't know if it even happened but anyways a nice gun and who the hell cares if they dislikes guns or not we don't need a whole lecture about rocks or some asshole posting dumb shit.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;46782052]I'm against guns as fuck but that's a pretty cool looking gun. I got to admit I want that photo of him with the cigar and tommy gun as a tshirt, I've always loved that photo.[/QUOTE] Dangerous as they are, they're much less brutal and infection-causing than swords or arrows

The article is very light on how they identified this as the same tommy gun, or why it was not found earlier since apparently it was in a shipment that came from the MoD. Considering it is a very well known gun and quite an artifact I would have assumed MoD stockpiles would be one of the first places you would look for a gun.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;46782099]I'm not disrespecting any piece of history or anyone here. I was turned into some "gun toting murdering redneck" by some uninformed individual who should really understand what he's talking about. Again, English forum with tons of gun totin 'mericans as members... This is what happens. You Englishmen hate guns, we love em. That's it.[/QUOTE] Are you literally Alex Jones?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;46782261]Typical Brit response. Understand American culture first and then respond. Firearms are a sport for me first and a protection second. 99% of the country agrees. You anti gun guys really need to understand what you're against. At least our police (who only do paperwork) are armed. Just saying.[/QUOTE] Typical Yank response. Understand British culture first and then respond. Firearms are a sport for me first as I shoot clay pigeon, and an antique second. 69% of the country agrees. You pro gun guys really need to understand how stupid you sound.

[QUOTE=nikomo;46782996]The Tommy Gun, the original non-lethal crowd control weapon. Most people that actually used those didn't bother aiming them, they weren't for killing people, they were there for crowd control. As far as I know.[/QUOTE] how can you even... what makes you even think... ...what? I'm gonna just come right out and say this is literally one of the most baseless/painfully pulled-out-of-ass posts I've ever read on this forum

[QUOTE=nikomo;46782996]The Tommy Gun, the original non-lethal crowd control weapon. Most people that actually used those didn't bother aiming them, they weren't for killing people, they were there for crowd control. As far as I know.[/QUOTE] They were designed for close-range engagements to give a soldier the ability to use a machine-gun's rate of fire with a smaller and more controllable cartridge. Though the Thompson failed in the respect of weight, it was a horse. But no, it was not made for "crowd control" nor was it made for "not aiming"

The tommy gun is an awesome gun [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrAeD1vRq0M[/media]

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46783286]They were heavy as shit due to the fact that they were made of milled steel, and the bolt was designed to unlock via friction, so the bolt was heavy as fuck too. This lead to a gun that was heavy as shit. They also found that it was nigh uncontrollable on full auto, so quick bursts were used. It's a cool piece of history, but thankfully it's staying history, it weighed 10 pounds empty.[/QUOTE] I think the solution to that problem was called "Stop being a pussy". :v:

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46790377]I think the solution to that problem was called "Stop being a pussy". :v:[/QUOTE] Technically the real solution to that problem was the M3 Submachine Gun, and later the M2 Carbine.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46783286]They were heavy as shit due to the fact that they were made of milled steel, and the bolt was designed to unlock via friction, so the bolt was heavy as fuck too. This lead to a gun that was heavy as shit. They also found that it was nigh uncontrollable on full auto, so quick bursts were used. It's a cool piece of history, but thankfully it's staying history, it weighed 10 pounds empty.[/QUOTE] Most things fired in full auto are uncontrollable. Though I'm pretty sure that the Thompson is actually quite controllable compared to modern SMGs because it's incredibly big and heavy. [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;46790409]Technically the real solution to that problem was the M3 Submachine Gun, and later the M2 Carbine.[/QUOTE] Wasn't the M3 only made to address the economic issues with making Thompson? From what I understand, the Thompsons required quite a bit of parts, labor and craftsmanship to make. That and the m1a1 version of the Thompson used during the war was already a watered down version of the gun with none of the cool features of the original (cutout for drum magazines, the compensator, ribbed barrel, even the bolt mechanism was simplified, and no foregrip). The M3 was like the bare minimum you needed to produce a gun at that point :v:

They were still cheaper and easier to make than the M1 Thompson Submachine Guns, and like you said, the M1 was already a simplified version of the M1928. While it did its job well, the M1 was heavier and more expensive compared to the German MP 40 or British STEN. So an even more efficient alternative solution was explored, and the M3 was created as a result. By the time of the Korean War, the US began phasing out SMG's in favour of Automatic Carbines, specifically the M2 Carbine, which itself was later replaced by the M16 Rifle. Despite that, the last M3 SMG's served as personal defense weapons in some vehicle and tank crews into the early 1990's.