Marines: Most Female Recruits Don't Meet New Pullup Standard - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43325892]This reminds me of a tumblr blog that was disgusted with fat discrimination in the military.[/QUOTE] if you want in then lose weight, if you can't loose weight, don't join in and end up getting soldiers and civilians killed because of you. "Fat people should be allowed in the marines" - only the biggest of retards [t]http://www.outofregs.com/postImages/1302141388.jpg[/t] ^ I bet they called that guy "Bullseye"

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43325892]This reminds me of a tumblr blog that was disgusted with fat discrimination in the military.[/QUOTE] Gosh tumblr sure is wacky!

It sounds pretty pathetic that someone who's about to go off to war can't do 3 pullups

[QUOTE=itisjuly;43325852]What? I was saying why it's a bad idea to accept weaker marines.[/QUOTE] He never said that weaker Marines should be accepted. He said: [QUOTE=Rangergxi;43325804]It should be acceptable for their to be less female marines. The standards are high so that they don't die and they shouldn't decrease so that more women can pass.[/QUOTE] [editline]27th December 2013[/editline] Once again, learn to read.

[QUOTE=Thaard;43325495]I don't understand why they don't just practice doing pull-ups? Everyone can do them with enough practice and training.[/QUOTE] This passed year they've been urging female Marines to start doing pull-ups during PT and during the Physical Fitness Tests. I can't lay any reason why some have been successful while others have not, however. I'm talking about Marines that have already graduated boot camp. In this case, it has to start at the recruiters to train them to that standard (until recently they've been doing the 'dead hang' as opposed to pull-ups). It's going to take time, it's not impossible, but it is all still very new for the Marine Corps. [QUOTE=J!NX;43325842]Males and females should get exactly the same training if a female can't do what a male does, that's too bad. The standard goes lower just to accommodate for weaker or slower people it's just going to lead to dead marines (I'm talking not about the undertrained, but the well trained dying because of 1 weak person), or even worse, more dead civilians, and that's unacceptable. If you can't keep up with your fellow soldiers in training then it's clearly not for you. You have to be as physically fit as possible and as 'in the game' as can be. If you can't do the task, then you don't deserve to be a marine. Weaker individuals should sign up for something way less hardcore. Absolutely no excuse to let them in.[/QUOTE] Although I agree, simply put the Marine Corps.- The Military, in general, rather- wants/needs females. On average, females don't rate physically as males do (not just in the military, but in general) and if they were made to meet the same standards (20 Pull-ups Max, 100 Crunches, and under 23 minute three mile run time) there wouldn't be many female Marines. As it stands, females fit acceptable physical standards for MOS's that are not as physically demanding as say infantry (i.e. Admin, Intel, Journalism).

[QUOTE=Apache249;43325931]He never said that weaker Marines should be accepted. He said: [editline]27th December 2013[/editline] Once again, learn to read.[/QUOTE] Yes and I agreed with him and said that a bigger problem is not the underqualified marines dying, but that they endanger other people along themselves too. I still don't get what I missed. Care to explain?

i don't think its the womens' fault at all but i'm guessing a lot of conservative shitbirds will use this to prove that ~women are 2weak for combat~ in an enviroment like the military, we shouldn't have weird exceptions in training for people based on dumb gender roles. stunting the growth and development of soldiers is fucking retarded, all marines, seals, soldiers, sonar repairmen, whatever, should all be held to the same standards. the only real benefit women need in the military is like, maternal leave.

I can't do one at all, and I'm a guy who exercises regularly.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;43325760]Overhand pullups are tougher than underhand pullups, requires more forearm strength and it's harder on your tendons. Still though, failure is a sign that there obviously needs to be more rigorous practice. That's what fitness standards are for[/QUOTE] I... what? "overhand" pullups (real pullups) use your lats and back. "underhan pullups" (chinups) are like almost 100% biceps and easy as piss. Marines should be able to do either, no problem.

[QUOTE=Buck.;43325724]How do you train to do 3 if you cant do one? My "friend" would like to know.[/QUOTE] Grease The Groove (GTG) negative pullups for a month. If you don't know what GTG is, you basically do an exercise you want to get better at submaximally several times a day over the course of a long period of time (for example, I would do a pullup every time I happened to walk through my doorway.) If you can't hold yourself up to do a negative, stand on a chair or something and lower yourself down using your arms as resistance as much as possible. I promise that you will be able to do a pullup in at most a month this way unless you have severe weight issues.

all this exercise talk is making me exhausted and hungry i'm going to go take a nap. maybe have a snack.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;43325971]I think we should discriminate, i'm totally for it. Being overweight in the military causes a fuckton of issues aside from the usual gear not fitting, not fitting into tight spaces on vehicles, etc etc. It also causes a fuck ton of medical problems. Almost every person I've seen for back/knee/ankle/foot issues has been overweight (not fit, fucking fat). My favorite line "doc, why do my knees hurt?" "well maybe if you weren't 5'4 and weighing in at 250 your knees wouldn't hurt"[/QUOTE] discrimination fixes nothing

they'll just figure out the correct training regiment and push on. right now the problem is that they train for one exercise currently and now with the new standards they need to now build up upper body strength in a different way.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;43325971]I think we should discriminate, i'm totally for it. Being overweight in the military causes a fuckton of issues aside from the usual gear not fitting, not fitting into tight spaces on vehicles, etc etc. It also causes a fuck ton of medical problems. Almost every person I've seen for back/knee/ankle/foot issues has been overweight (not fit, fucking fat). My favorite line "doc, why do my knees hurt?" "well maybe if you weren't 5'4 and weighing in at 250 your knees wouldn't hurt"[/QUOTE] There should be no problem with fat people in the army as long as they can run as fast, jump as high and are just as strong

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;43326475]Except the vast majority cant, which is why they are out of standards.[/QUOTE] The vast majority is irrelevant. We can't judge everyone by the vast majority, can we?

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43326163]all this exercise talk is making me exhausted and hungry i'm going to go take a nap. maybe have a snack.[/QUOTE] No snack until you give me 35 push-ups!

[QUOTE=.Lain;43326424]discrimination fixes nothing[/QUOTE] yeah in a normal society, but a Military is not a normal society of people. Everyone relies on the person next to them to protect each other and watch eachother's backs. They go to war, so having a person who isn't physically fit enough to adequately perform the role given to them, male or female, needs to be replaced ASAP. Doesn't matter what gender that person is or what they're performing, if they can't do it well enough than they need to be replaced by someone who can. I'm all for equal rights, so that means everyone should take the same tests and has to live up to the same standards, regardless of gender or ethnicity. [editline]27th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Laserbeams;43326461]There should be no problem with fat people in the army as long as they can run as fast, jump as high and are just as strong[/QUOTE] Like he stated earlier, their weight and size also affects their roll. If you need to get the fuck out of a IFV because you're under RPG fire, the last thing you want in your way is a 4 foot wide lardass who has to grease up to fit out the damn door.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43326564]Like he stated earlier, their weight and size also affects their roll. If you need to get the fuck out of a IFV because you're under RPG fire, the last thing you want in your way is a 4 foot wide lardass who has to grease up to fit out the damn door.[/QUOTE] Keep them in bootcamp until they're good enough for the army then

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;43326457]If we kick them out then we don't have to worry about trying to get them to drop weight via PT, which causes them to injure themselves because most of them lack self control and don't know how to PT properly in the first place (hence why they are over weight, or out of physical standards). They don't get injured, we save money on medical expenses, AND we improve the quality of our armed forces.[/QUOTE] there's a difference between flat out discrimination and encouragement/regulations [editline]27th December 2013[/editline] i'm not saying being overweight is fine and dandy in the army, but you need to watch your wording

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;43326633]The issue isn't DURING boot camp. It's AFTER boot camp, when someone isn't watching what you eat, and you're responsible for your own fitness. The majority doesn't have an issue and continues to PT, but there are always a few out of the graduating division that say "fuck it, i'm a marine/soldier/sailor/airman now, i'ma not PT, and eat entire pizzas. I'm guilty as shit of not eating the way I should sometimes, but I go and run/lift to not gain any weight, and do (for the most part) attempt to watch what I eat.[/QUOTE]Do they not have fitness checkups in the army?

[QUOTE=J!NX;43325899]if you want in then lose weight, if you can't loose weight, don't join in and end up getting soldiers and civilians killed because of you. "Fat people should be allowed in the marines" - only the biggest of retards [t]http://www.outofregs.com/postImages/1302141388.jpg[/t] ^ I bet they called that guy "Bullseye"[/QUOTE] To be honest, that guy probably has a metric fuckton of muscle, much like sumo wrestlers, or else he wouldn't be able to do shit. [QUOTE=hypno-toad;43325760]Overhand pullups are tougher than underhand pullups, requires more forearm strength and it's harder on your tendons. Still though, failure is a sign that there obviously needs to be more rigorous practice. That's what fitness standards are for[/QUOTE] The reason they do overhand pullups is because they actually have a use(scaling shit etc).

[QUOTE=Crimor;43326904]To be honest, that guy probably has a metric fuckton of muscle, much like sumo wrestlers, or else he wouldn't be able to do shit. The reason they do overhand pullups is because they actually have a use(scaling shit etc).[/QUOTE] then he runs for 10 seconds and needs to take a nap

[QUOTE=Crimor;43326904]To be honest, that guy probably has a metric fuckton of muscle, much like sumo wrestlers, or else he wouldn't be able to do shit. The reason they do overhand pullups is because they actually have a use(scaling shit etc).[/QUOTE] that muscle is pretty useless if you have all that fat weighting you down so much also, being too fat for kevlar and being literally a giant easy target doesn't help either. also, agility, weighing down a helicopter, and a bunch of other stuff. Also, health risks like diabete's and suddenly dying in the middle of a fight because of a heart attack or stroke. maybe he can sit on his enemies?

[QUOTE=.Lain;43326664]there's a difference between flat out discrimination and encouragement/regulations [editline]27th December 2013[/editline] i'm not saying being overweight is fine and dandy in the army, but you need to watch your wording[/QUOTE] He's not wrong though. A Military is an organization that needs to be extremely efficient and extremely logical in it's choices, because thousands if not millions of lives depend on them. They need to be extremely prejudiced towards people who are stereotypically not fit for combat roles. If they're not extremely anal about their performances, then people may get hurt or killed because of it. It's an "industry" that can be justly prejudiced to who gets in and who doesn't. Things like affirmative action have no place there.

I used to do 15 pullups and now i can only do like 4

IMO they should be required to be able to do 3 muscle ups, because if they can't, there's no way they're gonna get over anything higher than a chest high wall.

[QUOTE=katbug;43327908]IMO they should be required to be able to do 3 muscle ups, because if they can't, there's no way they're gonna get over anything higher than a chest high wall.[/QUOTE] Lmao what? You do not need to do a muscle up to get over a wall taller then you. I'm 260 lbs and 5'11 and I can't do a muscle up, but I could easily clear a wall that's just a bit taller then me.

[QUOTE=Crabpeoples;43327953]Lmao what? You do not need to do a muscle up to get over a wall taller then you. I'm 260 lbs and 5'11 and I can't do a muscle up, but I could easily clear a wall that's just a bit taller then me.[/QUOTE] With a 100 pounds strapped to you? And taking a minute to clear a wall can cost you your life or your buddies life. A soldier should have a hold to a little bit bigger standard than the bare minimum.

[QUOTE=Apache249;43325652]Not sure what you mean by "normal," but they do overhand pullups in the military.[/QUOTE] Isn't that how you're supposed to do them?

[QUOTE=EcksDee;43328521]Isn't that how you're supposed to do them?[/QUOTE] underhand works your bi's more, overhand works your back and lats. underhand are like 3x easier. but no, doing it underhand isn't 'wrong'. someone already mentioned it actually, underhand pullups are 'chinups'