[UK] The 'growing issue' of homeless people sleeping in bins
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[QUOTE=Trumple;49845229]Ever since gas and telecoms companies started calling their employees "engineers", everyone gets muddled between labourers/technicians and degree-educated engineers. I don't know a single graduate from my engineering course who hasn't been employed and renting a house since graduation
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People who say this are generally graduates in subjects with no straight-forward career path like History or Geography, or ones with poor career prospects like Media. I don't think it's a coincidence that all the Geography grads I know are working in data entry or bar jobs, whilst all the STEM grads are doing PhDs or careers in their field.
The problem isn't that degrees are worthless. It's that people choose worthless degrees.[/QUOTE]
Yeah thing is we all deserve a better life than poverty, who are you to tell someone that their degree is useless? Should we all start to educate ourselves in your field?
You must be living in a box, this is the real world not a meritocracy.
[QUOTE=Trumple;49845229]Ever since gas and telecoms companies started calling their employees "engineers", everyone gets muddled between labourers/technicians and degree-educated engineers. I don't know a single graduate from my engineering course who hasn't been employed and renting a house since graduation
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People who say this are generally graduates in subjects with no straight-forward career path like History or Geography, or ones with poor career prospects like Media. I don't think it's a coincidence that all the Geography grads I know are working in data entry or bar jobs, whilst all the STEM grads are doing PhDs or careers in their field.
The problem isn't that degrees are worthless. It's that people choose worthless degrees.[/QUOTE]
I think you're missing why most people pick "worthless degrees". You need a degree to do just about anything these days. Jobs that would in the past have required simple GCSEs now demand some form of degree. Obviously not everyone can go into STEM and in general STEM subjects have very high entry requirements if you want to go to a uni that isn't complete trash, so a lot of people pick degrees like history and geography for the sake of having a degree otherwise good luck getting any type of employment.
[QUOTE=Chopstick;49845676]Yeah thing is we all deserve a better life than poverty, who are you to tell someone that their degree is useless? Should we all start to educate ourselves in your field?
You must be living in a box, this is the real world not a meritocracy.[/QUOTE]
I agree, everyone deserves the same right to a comfortable life. When I say a degree is useless, I base it on its practical purpose, I.E. does it get you a job?
You don't have to pick my field - there are many out there that'll guarantee you a job if you work hard. Medicine, law, any of the sciences, any engineering subject, maths, etc. Pretty much any STEM subject will give you the chance to move into any other STEM-related career, too, so that's a bonus.
You don't have to be the best. These are not "elite" subjects that you can only do if you have a double barrelled name and your family owns a helicopter.
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[QUOTE=carcarcargo;49845975]I think you're missing why most people pick "worthless degrees". You need a degree to do just about anything these days. Jobs that would in the past have required simple GCSEs now demand some form of degree. Obviously not everyone can go into STEM and in general STEM subjects have very high entry requirements if you want to go to a uni that isn't complete trash, so a lot of people pick degrees like history and geography for the sake of having a degree otherwise good luck getting any type of employment.[/QUOTE]
STEM isn't some magical land of fairytales. Yeah, so most people won't get into Cambridge, but I find the Uni matters less than the degree. A friend of mine went to a lesser-known Uni after missing the entry requirements for all of the Unis he applied for, did engineering, got a 2:2 and still landed himself a 30k grad job. GCSEs, A-levels, and Uni are all extremely difficult. But they're not beyond anyone.
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Sorry, I know I'm oversimplifying. The point I'm trying to make is that there are many people out there who are perfectly capable of doing Economics, law, or some other such degree yet still choose Geography or History then complain they cannot find a job. Some of these people got better A-levels than people who have a job now. So I'm directing my rant towards those who choose poorly, rather than at those who by circumstance did not meet entry requirements. I know A-levels were the most stressful and difficult times of my life, so I can sympathise
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;49843484]1/3 of young people from age of 18-25 are living with parents because it's not affordable to rent and buying a house via a mortgage is unaffordable, even if the conservatives have tried. The supply and demand in the UK and throughout europe is grossly disproportionate and the massive influx of 'refugees' and migrants has put huge amounts of pressure onto the supply.
We are told natives of european countries are not breeding enough, causing underpopulation but that's because we care and understand the situation we are in, there is not enough resources to go around to support having many children[/QUOTE]
It doesn't help many of the new builds are instantly bought out by investors who then charge extortionate rent. The rent costs so much here that no one is able to save quickly enough for a deposit as the house prices are rising way faster than wages. I would not be surprised if in 25 years the majority of houses are owned by buy-to-letters and foreign investors while UK citizens pay 80%+ of their wages to them.
[QUOTE=Ishwoo;49846557]It doesn't help many of the new builds are instantly bought out by investors who then charge extortionate rent. The rent costs so much here that no one is able to save quickly enough for a deposit as the house prices are rising way faster than wages. I would not be surprised if in 25 years the majority of houses are owned by buy-to-letters and foreign investors while UK citizens pay 80%+ of their wages to them.[/QUOTE]
Houses these days require a roughly 30k deposit even with a mortgage, which unless you've already got property sold previously is going to be pretty damn difficult to foot without completely emptying any life savings you might have had stacked away.
[QUOTE=Ishwoo;49846557]It doesn't help many of the new builds are instantly bought out by investors who then charge extortionate rent. The rent costs so much here that no one is able to save quickly enough for a deposit as the house prices are rising way faster than wages. I would not be surprised if in 25 years the majority of houses are owned by buy-to-letters and foreign investors while UK citizens pay 80%+ of their wages to them.[/QUOTE]
The pricing is truly insane in certain areas.
I just got a box room (about 4x2m) in a house share and it is £475 a month, because I have to be in London to finish my course. These are in high demand, I saw prices for similar rooms reach £550. Fortunately this one seems like a good agency managing it.
Many of these letters are fucking lazy too, my old place the landlord was literally near impossible to contact on short notice, the plaster was rotten through everywhere, damp was covering the whole place, the heating was fucked, shower falling out of the wall, and he was charging about £1200 a month for a former 1 room flat that he had "converted" into a 3 room flat for students and such. I really should have reported it to the local council because no way that place was legally fit for human habitation...
At least I should have a very easy path to a job, but that will require moving, probably back home for a couple years. All the while I will be in a professional job and hopefully actually helping people.
This isn't even central London, this is zone 3 or 4, and quite far from a rail station (in London terms), so prices should have been driven down by that.
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