• David Cameron: Forcing disabled people out of their homes because of the bedroom tax makes no sense
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[QUOTE=Jamsponge;40619363]One of the thing that pisses me off most about UKIP is that they support nuclear power on one hand, but also coal, and they want to get rid of wind turbines. Just adds to the 'nuclear power is bad with a capital C' image. [editline]12th May 2013[/editline] And they apparently want to cut Jobseeker's Allowance. I know people that would be dead if it wasn't for that.[/QUOTE] I go to a games night at a bar near me. It started as something relatively minor but has evolved into something quite big and we hire out the entire bar. It's on once every 2 weeks. Some of the people who attend have disabilities and it is the only socializing they get, if it wasn't for the games night they'd be housebound. Since David Cameron introduced housing benefit 2 of our very well known members have died. One was from complications due to malnutrition and the other was suicide, BOTH lived in houses specially adapted for their needs and both need around the clock care (they need to be bathed, dressed, fed, etc.) This was directly related to both cuts to carers allowance due to a benefit change and bedroom tax combined. They had no money to survive and no money to pay for the carers. Yes it can be argued that there are systems in place to prevent exactly those situations but when you physically can't leave the house, move, or even use a telephone and your carer goes away those systems are useless. It is a very very sad to see rights for people with disabilities going backwards while the rich are getting tax breaks. UKIP will make this whole situation a lot worse very quickly. We will loose our human rights as we won't be in the EU any more and won't have any obligation. I've read into UKIP and it is very familiar to how Germany was in the 60's - 80's
[QUOTE=Chaoss86;40619849]I go to a games night at a bar near me. It started as something relatively minor but has evolved into something quite big and we hire out the entire bar. It's on once every 2 weeks. Some of the people who attend have disabilities and it is the only socializing they get, if it wasn't for the games night they'd be housebound. Since David Cameron introduced housing benefit 2 of our very well known members have died. One was from complications due to malnutrition and the other was suicide, BOTH lived in houses specially adapted for their needs and both need around the clock care (they need to be bathed, dressed, fed, etc.) This was directly related to both cuts to carers allowance due to a benefit change and bedroom tax combined. They had no money to survive and no money to pay for the carers. Yes it can be argued that there are systems in place to prevent exactly those situations but when you physically can't leave the house, move, or even use a telephone and your carer goes away those systems are useless. It is a very very sad to see rights for people with disabilities going backwards while the rich are getting tax breaks. UKIP will make this whole situation a lot worse very quickly. We will loose our human rights as we won't be in the EU any more and won't have any obligation. I've read into UKIP and it is very familiar to how Germany was in the 60's - 80's[/QUOTE] But the 'Bedroom Tax', which was only implemented a month ago, doesn't affect those with severe disabilities and round the clock carers? And as I recall, Carer's Allowance is only changed for joint claims, i.e married couples. I don't see why their carers would have left or why this would have led to the deaths of the two disabled people.. And not meaning to sound like a dick but, how did one of them commit suicide if they couldn't move or use a telephone? [editline]edit[/editline] Also the ECHR would be replaced by a British Bill of Rights in light of the Abu Qatada case etc., we won't 'lose our human rights'
[QUOTE=danharibo;40619848]The problem with UKIP is not that they want to leave the EU, it's that leaving the EU is the only policy that they had until very recently, and the rest of the policies are downright retarded[/QUOTE] I still think the major problem with the UKIP is that they exist
Is it bad that somehow I almost mistook him for James Cameron? :v:
[QUOTE=butt2089;40619123]Whilst I don't agree with any political parties promoting blatantly unworkable policies, I find it ridiculous the stick UKIP has received when Labour doesn't actually have any solid policies, and the ones they have suggested involve large tax rises and even larger spending rises - often with increases in wages and guaranteed jobs[/QUOTE]We've seen Labour run the country; as shit as they are, their policies aren't nearly as disastrous. The proposal for a flat tax would disproportionately affect the poor [I]and[/I] basically torpedo any hopes of settling the deficit; increasing military spending on top of that is just lunacy. Why would the UK even need to increase military spending? There is no conventional military threat to the UK currently that would necessitate more tanks, ships, planes or troops.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;40624044]We've seen Labour run the country; as shit as they are, their policies aren't nearly as disastrous. The proposal for a flat tax would disproportionately affect the poor [I]and[/I] basically torpedo any hopes of settling the deficit; increasing military spending on top of that is just lunacy. Why would the UK even need to increase military spending? There is no conventional military threat to the UK currently that would necessitate more tanks, ships, planes or troops.[/QUOTE] What if the flat tax came in on incomes over £30k or £40k? It's certainly not suggesting flat rate tax with the current tax allowance and banding. The idea behind lowering the tax is that the economy would pick up as people would have more money to spend, however you could only speculate as to how much revenue that would bring in - which in turn makes the policy easy to attack in the media.
[QUOTE=butt2089;40625312]What if the flat tax came in on incomes over £30k or £40k? It's certainly not suggesting flat rate tax with the current tax allowance and banding. The idea behind lowering the tax is that the economy would pick up as people would have more money to spend, however you could only speculate as to how much revenue that would bring in - which in turn makes the policy easy to attack in the media.[/QUOTE]If it did, that'd be somewhat different. However they make no mention of such a band, so it's natural to assume when they say a flat tax, it means a flat tax across the board. There's still the issue of the needless increase in defence spending. Anyone can see how it's a lead weight for the US budget, the only mitigating factor for them is that the US military mostly buys American.
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