California spends $21.8 billion on welfare for illegals annually - Polidicks

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27555026]and why is this? This is how the other countries work.[/QUOTE] No, this is how they SHOULD work. If your parents are illegal, than your offspring should be too, as you're officially not inside the country if you're illegal.

[QUOTE=Bllasae;27555098]No, this is how they SHOULD work. If your parents are illegal, than your offspring should be too, as you're officially not inside the country if you're illegal.[/QUOTE] Why? why do you care if the kid doesnt have to go through a mountan of papers in order to be considered a resident of the country he was born in?

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27555144]Why? why do you care if the kid doesnt have to go through a mountan of papers in order to be considered a resident of the country he was born in?[/QUOTE] Because they're illegal, that's why I care.

[QUOTE=Bllasae;27555153]Because they're illegal, that's why I care.[/QUOTE] No they arnt. If they are born there then they are not illegal.

[QUOTE=Bllasae;27554986]Not if your parents aren't it shouldn't.[/QUOTE] Just because you don't think they should, doesn't mean they aren't.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27555186]No they arnt. If they are born there then they are not illegal.[/QUOTE] They should be, that's all I'm saying.

[QUOTE=Bllasae;27555198]They should be, that's all I'm saying.[/QUOTE] But why? its just going to cause uneeded junk.

[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;27553252][b]Legalize cannabis and problem solved.[/b] While they're at it, they can make paid lobbying illegal and considered bribery as it is.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz249/zibzib200/HA_HA_HA_OH_WOW.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Bllasae;27555153]Because they're illegal, that's why I care.[/QUOTE] why do you use such obviously bad reasoning

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27555244]But why? its just going to cause uneeded junk.[/QUOTE] Gonna save the state a bunch of money on welfare and schooling.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27555068]I dont see this. I see him making good jokes to take away the srsness of the forum. He is never being right out hostile either. Your opinion of him probably has something to do if you politically agree with him or not though.[/QUOTE] Um no. In fact I usually agree with what the kid says, but not with the way he acts about it.

I wonder what is the state of California's annual budget.

[QUOTE=**Chris**;27555031]All I see you do on these forums constantly is either subtly troll, ridicule people for their opinions, or just flat out insult people. Seriously. Nine out of ten times, when I see a post by you, you're just in a thread to be a sarcastic moron, whether your opinion on something is correct or not. Either go to the oify, or just grow up.[/QUOTE] Uh, you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Also, I don't see why the U.S. should have to solve Mexico's problems. Our immigration system isn't even that harsh compared to many other countries. Why should we have to change it just because Mexico is having problems?

[QUOTE=**Chris**;27555452]Um no. In fact I usually agree with what the kid says, but not with the way he acts about it.[/QUOTE] Oh no, someone doesn't act like you think everyone should act, what a travesty.

[QUOTE=Bllasae;27555440]Gonna save the state a bunch of money on welfare and schooling.[/QUOTE] Im sorry but thats racist. you are making a bad generalization saying that every immigrant is going to grow up poor.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27555521]Im sorry but thats racist. you are making a bad generalization saying that every immigrant is going to grow up poor.[/QUOTE] It's not racist at all, if they don't have legal documents, then they can't get a legal job. Here in Canada, you got to be a citizen of Canada to be eligible to work here.

[QUOTE=Bllasae;27555591]It's not racist at all, if they don't have legal documents, then they can't get a legal job. Here in Canada, you got to be a citizen of Canada to be eligible to work here.[/QUOTE] If you are born in America then you are a citizen so its not that hard to get everything you need to get a job.

Hey guys, let's continuosly smash your rights and lifestyle into the ground by funding and arming an authoritarian single-party state for close to 70 years. I'm sure you won't mind the PRI. Ok guys so you got them out, we'll just take away your land rights, your work protection and welfare laws, and ruin your economy while you work in sweat shops for our companies to make our cheap goods. This NAFTA thing is gonna be great, don't worry. Well, China's cheaper now, so sorry Mexico, but we're going to have to take away all of our aid and all of our private corporations we forced you to build your entire economy around, so now you have nothing and your economy is even more in shambles. Oh, by the way, it's now harder than ever to immigrate. As long as you don't mind waiting around 20 years to immigrate, you're ok. Oh, and you need to be an educated skilled worker with family in the US otherwise you'll probably not make it through. It's important that we keep our country safe from potential terrorists coming from your nation. Woops, oh yea, all these poor conditions and newly corrupt government kind of started a drug war in your country that our citizens are mostly directly funding. Our bad, guys. Wait. Wat. Fuck. Stop it. No, no... guys guys...quit coming across our border illegally. Guys, quit. Hey, stop taking those low-level farm jobs. Stop that. Wait, fuck, now you're having babies. Goddammit, now we need to pay for them to have basic necessities. Fuck. Why!? You're ruining our country, Mexicans! Stop coming across into our nation we boast about being so great! Stop giving us billions in tax revenue! Stop being completely rightless and doing labor so bad Americans won't even do it but for even less than what's legal! Stop that! Woe is us having to pay billions to give American-born Mexicans a basic education, welfare, and basic health needs!

Why would we focus on a short-term solution such as that of a fortified border? Much like every other action the American Government has taken has been focused on one short-term action to another.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;27555754]Why would we focus on a short-term solution such as that of a fortified border? Much like every other action the American Government has taken has been focused on one short-term action to another.[/QUOTE] American politicians use bandage techniques to get reelected.

I don't see why parents who are illegal that go into hospitals and have babies can't be then made citizens. Like force them to fill out all the documentation and such while they are there. They are citizens, they get what they want, we get taxes. All is well.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;27555754]Why would we focus on a short-term solution such as that of a fortified border? Much like every other action the American Government has taken has been focused on one short-term action to another.[/QUOTE] How exactly is a fortified border a short term solution?

They're called illegal immigrants for a reason. It's illegal to aid them, harbour them or hire them. If they have children that are citizens who help keep them here, their children are breaking the law. Also those jobs they do take could be taken by actual taxpaying residents of this country, then maybe we wouldn't be as much in debt.

[QUOTE=Explosions;27555891]How exactly is a fortified border a short term solution?[/QUOTE] It will work fairly well for a fair amount of time, but it doesn't fix the underlying problem. The Mexican economy, social issues, and government corruption provide for the driving force of many illegals, and for incentive and business for the cartels. Border security will not fix the problem, it will only lessen it to a short extent for a time. It's placing duct tapeon a dam that needs to be partially rebuilt and should have been long ago. It doesn't matter how much tape we put on though, it's still going to continue leaking until w fix the dam.

So wait, we're talking about a border fortified by the Mexicans?

Children of illegal immigrants? You mean Americans? Okay other Americans, I want you to get this through your STUPID FUCKING SKULLS so you can stop being a fucking EMBARRASSMENT. Children born in the United States are American citizens. Period. They aren't illegal immigrants because we are supposed to be more than barbarians. We are supposed to understand that it isn't the fault of children that they were born here to illegal immigrants. While the American dream isn't real and you are socially restricted to the extreme, we don't fuck you over legally just because of your parents. Get the fuck out of my country you fucking cowardly pricks. The heavens forbid that you spend a dollar on another human being. Assholes. Do some research. Actual illegal immigrants put far more into the economy than they take out. Again, illegal immigrants, they lack the legal documentation to take money from the system. However they work jobs WHICH PAY INTO THE SYSTEM AUTOMATICALLY. When they get their check, it has been pre-taxed. They don't even get a tax return. Again, for those of you which are slow, illegal immigrants pay taxes and get almost nothing in return. They likely contribute more than you do.

[QUOTE=Explosions;27556125]So wait, we're talking about a border fortified by the Mexicans?[/QUOTE] No- it benefits the Mexican government to allow illegals in here. They wouldn't go for that. We should be talking about a system that provides aid to those here, and incentive for them to return to Mexico through comprable social benefits as they'd find in the US. We should continue on the both-sides-of-the-border war on the cartels, but also fight it by moving in [i]fair and legal businesses that work at a first-world level, not a third-world level[/i], which would provide jobs to Mexicans and weaken the cartels. Unfortunately, the exploitation by US businesses of Mexico has left a deep scar on their nation and has proven (as is also the case in China, Thailand, India, Taiwan, and Vietnam) that US businesses operating across the border are corrupt and terribly harmful unless regulated or given government-based incentive to not be total dicks. While I would rather see it done differently, I think we can use our mutual interests in business and economic growth as the catalyst for the solution of the immigration problems and Mexico's problems.

"Illegals" is not a word, and you sound extremely uneducated when you use an adjective as a noun.

[QUOTE=Detective P;27555655]Oh, by the way, it's now harder than ever to immigrate. As long as you don't mind waiting around 20 years to immigrate, you're ok. Oh, and you need to be an educated skilled worker with family in the US otherwise you'll probably not make it through. It's important that we keep our country safe from potential terrorists coming from your nation.[/QUOTE] So what you are suggesting is that America basically considers Mexico to be apart of the United States without actually getting any control over territory or government, simply because apparently it's America's fault Mexico is a shithole Am I correct?