California spends $21.8 billion on welfare for illegals annually - Polidicks

[QUOTE=MagicBurrito;27556611]I live in California. My school is 4/5 mexican and they all get F's and speak spanish and pick fights for no reason i hate mexico [editline]20th January 2011[/editline] oh and they constantly talk about how much more amazing mexicans and mexico is when its actually a large diarhea dump to the south of america[/QUOTE] Same But I think it has more to do with there bad upbringing and poorness then simply because there Mexican. I know a few really smart immigrants as well though.

piggy you gotta learn how quotes work.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27558008]What does this add to the argument? You have some dumb mexicans at your school therefore what?[/QUOTE] Agreed. Most of the Mexicans at my school are awesome, but then again I don't live in Cali which might have something to do with it.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;27558168]Agreed. Most of the Mexicans at my school are awesome, but then again I don't live in Cali which might have something to do with it.[/QUOTE] I really dont like the culture here. Its all raves, drugs and gang life and there proud of it too. well at least in the poor areas anyway.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27558201]I really dont like the culture here. Its all raves, drugs and gang life and there proud of it too. well at least in the poor areas anyway.[/QUOTE] Maybe you should take that midnight train to Georgia

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27557682]Give a real reason instead then. Its not my fault if I don't get swayed by bad arguments.[/QUOTE] Okay, here is my argument: Mexican Americans are always saying that America was built on the backs of immigrants. And that is true. The people who went to Ellis Island or Port of Los Angeles and did the paperwork and followed the legal route to become a citizen of the United States. The illegal immigrant with a stolen social security number dropping french fries at the burger joint or running a leaf blower in some wealthy dude's back yard is NOT the same kind of immigrant as the ones mentioned previously.

So that is why California is like 43/50 of the education list, 21.8 Billion could have been used for much more then people who don't pay taxes and go through the immigration progress illegally.

terrible title and reading comprehension ridge

[QUOTE=Aznsniper911;27558439]So that is why California is like 43/50 of the education list, 21.8 Billion could have been used for much more then people who don't pay taxes and go through the immigration progress illegally.[/QUOTE] We've been strangled by stupid promises politicians have made to get reelected here. We're a humongous state and because of that we have a rather large congregation of short-sighted voters. Our budget could be better managed by a monkey with a pipe wrench jammed in it's eye socket than the state government.

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[QUOTE=Ridge;27558422]Okay, here is my argument: Mexican Americans are always saying that America was built on the backs of immigrants. And that is true. The people who went to Ellis Island or Port of Los Angeles and did the paperwork and followed the legal route to become a citizen of the United States. The illegal immigrant with a stolen social security number dropping french fries at the burger joint or running a leaf blower in some wealthy dude's back yard is NOT the same kind of immigrant as the ones mentioned previously.[/QUOTE] Yes but they work hard for low pay. They rarely get government help because they are illegal. so in other words they do work, barely get paid and dont get well fair. This means that they help the economy and government and after all the trouble they went through deserve citizen ship. oh and sales tax is a tax not to mention the money they dont get is also going in the pockets of tax payers.

[QUOTE=MagicBurrito;27559155]eeyyy ese, lol U loken so Stooooopeedd wait boeey[/QUOTE] Thanks, I really needed somewhere to store my wrench. On topic: Either help fix Mexico (Read: not do fucking everything for them) so they don't want to immigrate illegally, as much. Or we could fix our joke of an immigration system.

[QUOTE=staticman;27559446]Thanks, I really needed somewhere to store my wrench. On topic: Either help fix Mexico [/QUOTE] we could stop letting so many of our guns end up over there for starters

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27559463]we could stop letting so many of our guns end up over there for starters[/QUOTE] That would be one of the top priorities.

its anyone who takes drugs fault. all that crazy shit going on in Mexico is to get the massive demand of drugs to America. snorters are murders too.

[QUOTE=labbet;27559492]its anyone who takes drugs fault. all that crazy shit going on in Mexico is to get the massive demand of drugs to America. snorters are murders too.[/QUOTE] Ending the war on drugs might help? Just sayin'.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;27557148]If it's so hard to get a green card for America, why don't they go to Canada then? They give citizenship automatically to anyone who simply puts $70k in a Canadian bank for 3 months and you can simply take out a loan and pay it back on the 91st day if you can afford 3 months of interests[/QUOTE] Bullshit. I've been planning to emigrate to Canada for a good 3 years and only recently called off those plans. Canadian immigration and naturalization requires mostly the same stuff that American immigration does. I need to have family in Canada for the most part, need to be able to take a test on Canada's history and culture, need to learn French and British/Canadian English, pay a fee, and live in the country for an amount of time. [editline]21st January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ridge;27557166] How did the US screw Mexico? How did the US screw the African continent?[/QUOTE] >[url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1051618-California-spends-21.8-billion-on-welfare-for-illegals-annually?p=27555655&viewfull=1#post27555655]Here, I already covered this briefly[/url]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;27553035]The problem is your broken system that makes it nearly impossible to immigrate legally and your war on drugs that turns Mexico into a violent hell-hole that everyone wants to get away from.[/QUOTE] Why should we just let anyone in? Mexico is not our problem.

[QUOTE=Amplar;27561310]Why should we just let anyone in? Mexico is not our problem.[/QUOTE] to argue this on a philosophical level, what gives you the right to decide who lives a better life and who has to stay in the shit.

[QUOTE=Amplar;27561310]Why should we just let anyone in? Mexico is not our problem.[/QUOTE] Yet America sends soldiers to civil wars it has no business being in.

Dig a giant canal, a big wall and get patrols along the border and you finally might stop some of the Mexicans.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27559311]Yes but they work hard for low pay. They rarely get government help because they are illegal. so in other words they do work, barely get paid and dont get well fair. This means that they help the economy and government and after all the trouble they went through deserve citizen ship. oh and sales tax is a tax not to mention the money they dont get is also going in the pockets of tax payers.[/QUOTE] If they don't pay taxes then they're not helping anything.

[QUOTE=redBadger;27553172]If we fix the gangs and stuff in Mexico, people wouldn't have to immigrate.[/QUOTE] Okay, so let us American intervene entirely into Mexico's domestic affairs, deploy troops and special police units, regulate their economy and arrest their citizens for them along with several other highly invasive methods that will cost us millions and billions of dollars and levy heavy public outcry at home and abroad for doing it. All so we can stop gangs and illegal immigration in a country we have no business policing and would probably go to war with us if we tried too hard.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;27571703]Okay, so let us American intervene entirely into Mexico's domestic affairs, deploy troops and special police units, regulate their economy and arrest their citizens for them along with several other highly invasive methods that will cost us millions and billions of dollars and levy heavy public outcry at home and abroad for doing it. All so we can stop gangs and illegal immigration in a country we have no business policing and would probably go to war with us if we tried too hard.[/QUOTE] It's much better than fighting a bunch of insurgents on the other side of the world. Many of the drug cartels and gangs have the same operating capability as the Taliban and Al Qaeda. They've been targeting journalists, diplomats, even the police force is being a favorite target. These gangs and cartels are on our own continent, it would make more sense to send troops to deal with the gangs rather than travel across a fucking ocean to deal with a distant threat

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27559463]we could stop letting so many of our guns end up over there for starters[/QUOTE] Except few of the guns recovered end up being from the US. Most of them are from China and other Latin American countries... [editline]21st January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Detective P;27561228]>[url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1051618-California-spends-21.8-billion-on-welfare-for-illegals-annually?p=27555655&viewfull=1#post27555655]Here, I already covered this briefly[/url][/QUOTE] [quote] we'll just take away your land rights, your work protection and welfare laws, and ruin your economy while you work in sweat shops for our companies to make our cheap goods[/quote] [Citation Needed] [editline]21st January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=F1101011;27561352]Yet America sends soldiers to civil wars it has no business being in.[/QUOTE] Since the clusterfuck that was Vietnam, when?

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;27571537]If they don't pay taxes then they're not helping anything.[/QUOTE] Did you read my post? I explained how it they still help.

Fuck these parasitic immigrants, I know they do a lot with agriculture and such, but seriously, $21.8 billion. Holy shit that's not okay.

[QUOTE=Ridge;27553248]What does Ridley Scott's Aliens have to do with this? Anyway, regardless of the racism you are jumping to (again), I don't dislike Mexicans or Latinos or people of any skin shade. I dislike people that break the law. And they are breaking the law.[/QUOTE] fuck the law

[QUOTE=Lazor;27554283]um if you are born in The USA then you are a citizen.[/QUOTE] no, if you're born to illegal parents a law from back in 2004 or so declares you illegal

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