Tripping on shrooms effective in treating anxiety, new study suggests - Polidicks

[QUOTE=The Pretender;24696755]I would never take drugs to help me[/QUOTE] Must be pretty hard living without any medical care whatsoever.

[QUOTE=The Pretender;24696755]I would never take drugs to help me[/QUOTE] Have you had coffee? Advil? You've taken drugs. I embrace drugs because they've taught me a lot about myself you won't learn without them. You can say what you'd like, but until you've enjoyed LSD, shrooms and other psychedelics, you'll never know. [editline]04:08PM[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;24696635]As long as there's no damage of any sort. We've already got effective medicines for both, though. Unfortunately with almost any manufactured medicine you get charged out the ass for it (not that they are worth anywhere near that much).[/QUOTE] Actually, there is no effective, and permanent cure for cluster headaches. Except LSD.

drugs are a sin you are all heretics enjoy hell smoking gay weed

[quote]You can say what you'd like, but until you've enjoyed LSD, shrooms and other psychedelics, you'll never know. [/quote]That's pretty specious. One could make the argument that I won't know what cutting myself is like until I do it, or that I learn a lot about myself by cutting myself, etc. Also, Drugs and "Drugs" are different. Most "Drugs" (the slang term) are phycoactive drugs, as apposed to a drugs that alter your body's immune or chemical habits. Any treatment shrooms may give you are merely a temporary treatment for anxiety. it's not that it actually solves your anxiety, it just alters your central nervous system so you don't have the capacity to feel anxiety at that moment; as apposed to commercial drugs which may regulate any chemical imbalances in your body that cause anxiety. Any Drug; be it commercial or illegal, that just alters your perception is a cheap solution to an emotional, or otherwise chemical-related problem that you have. [editline]11:16PM[/editline] [QUOTE=valiant..;24696892]drugs are a sin you are all heretics enjoy hell smoking gay weed[/QUOTE] Dude, are you like 12? Give us some A+ material if you`re actually going to try.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24697046]That's pretty specious. One could make the argument that I won't know waht cutting myself is like until I do it, or that I learn a lot about myself by cutting myself, etc. Also, Drugs and "Drugs" are different. Most "Drugs" (the slang term) are phycoactive drugs, as apposed to a drugs that alter your body's immune or chemical habits. Any treatment shrooms may give you are merely a temporary treatment for anxiety. it's not that it actually solves your anxiety, it just alters your central nervous system so you don't have the capacity to feel anxiety at that moment; as apposed to commercial drugs which may regulate any chemical imbalances in your body that cause anxiety. Any drug that just alters your perception is a cheap solution to an emotional, or otherwise chemical-related problem that you have. [editline]11:16PM[/editline] Dude, are you like 12? Give us some A+ material if you`re actually going to try.[/QUOTE] Uh, no. Drugs like psychadelics alter your mental states changing the need for anxiety. They can CHANGE your thought processes fixing somethings. It's ignorance to say its "A nervous system" change. And sure, it's strange to say that, but again, you don't understand the effects of them. Like you just pointed out, you don't understand them. It really isn't just a "nervous system" change.

thing is im not trying, if i was trying you'd be furious right now, im just pretty bored and dont feel like putting in the effort. i mean its been an hour since i started, kind of ridiculous, im gonna go do something else. [editline]07:18PM[/editline] @ hypno-faggot hehehe okay that was the last one sorry m8

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24697114]Uh, no. Drugs like psychadelics alter your mental states changing the need for anxiety. They can CHANGE your thought processes fixing somethings. It's ignorance to say its "A nervous system" change. And sure, it's strange to say that, but again, you don't understand the effects of them. Like you just pointed out, you don't understand them. It really isn't just a "nervous system" change.[/QUOTE] No it isnt. It doesn't fix anything. It alters your brain temporarily. Ive been very drunk and very stoned before and Ive got the active conscious to know that its just a temporary feeling. Its like drinking to soothe your anxiety. that works too, and in small doses alcohol isn`t harmful. Its still not a good solution.

They administered a small dose, probably not anywhere near enough to trip off of. I took a small amount of shrooms and I got an effect from it (mostly feelings that everything was connected) but really it wasn't anything crazy. [QUOTE=Swilly;24685236]Still don't like this, there has to be a more effective way of helping people without turning to drugs.[/QUOTE] Yes, screw my anti-epileptic drugs. [QUOTE=brianosaur;24694960]but wouldn't a naturally occuring drug be a lot more safer than chemically made drugs that are very similiar to heroin or meth?[/QUOTE] Natural drugs aren't any better than manufactured drugs. The only way you can judge drugs is by looking at each one individually.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24697195]No it isnt. It doesn't fix anything. It alters your brain temporarily.[/QUOTE] Ok. You're right, I'll just disregard my own, and everyone else I know who's done it personal experiences because you're right. It changes how you think and feel after the experience. Everyone I know who's ever done shrooms or LSD says that they feel different after for a long time, if not forever. I know I feel different, but you're right, it didn't change my thoughts at all. Ugh. [editline]04:23PM[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;24697195]No it isnt. It doesn't fix anything. It alters your brain temporarily. Ive been very drunk and very stoned before and Ive got the active conscious to know that its just a temporary feeling. Its like drinking to soothe your anxiety. that works too, and in small doses alcohol isn`t harmful. Its still not a good solution.[/QUOTE] It's not the same, but whatever.

Anything you think and feel afterward is either something youve learned, or it`s permanent brain damage. Pick one. If you are simple enough to be wooed by psychoactive drugs than good for you.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24697282]Anything you think and feel afterwords is either something youve learned, or it`s permanent brain damage. Pick one. If you are simple enough to be wooed by psychoactive drugs than good for you.[/QUOTE] You're basically saying that weed and LSD's effects are the same and disappear just as quickly as each other. It isn't a drug effect, it's a change in thought patterns. Exactly what you said, it's a learning experience, [b]that changes you[/b]. Jesus fuck.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24697282]Anything you think and feel afterward is either something youve learned, or it`s permanent brain damage. Pick one. If you are simple enough to be wooed by psychoactive drugs than good for you.[/QUOTE] Or it could be an increase or decrease in certain types of compounds in your brain for a period of time. Many drugs certainly change the brain in many ways. There are drugs that cause an addiction so bad the the person will die if they don't do the drug. What is your argument exactly?

No, that doesn't change me, that changes [U]you[/U]. That changes you because you`re content with a temporary and artificial feeling induced by a temporary change in your nervous system. That`s ALL psychoactive drugs do, apart from damaging side effects. YOU are content learning something from altered thought patterns and perception, I'm not. Other than losing my ability to see and think properly while under the influence of psychedelics, alcohol, or weed, I never feel or act that much different. The way you describe a change in thought pattern makes it sound like brain damage, it really does. You see something else in psychoactive drugs that I sincerely do not feel the need to see. Good for you. [editline]11:34PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Pepin;24697530]Or it could be an increase or decrease in certain types of compounds in your brain for a period of time. Many drugs certainly change the brain in many ways. There are drugs that cause an addiction so bad the the person will die if they don't do the drug. What is your argument exactly?[/QUOTE] The article is not about changes in natural chemical compounds, nor does it describe it. Opiates are not psychoactive drugs anyways. its one of the few exceptions.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24697535]No, that doesn't change me, that changes [U]you[/U]. That changes you because you`re content with a temporary and artificial feeling induced by a temporary change in your nervous system. That`s ALL psychoactive drugs do, apart from damaging side effects. YOU are content learning something from altered thought patterns and perception, I'm not. Other than losing my ability to see and think properly while under the influence of psychedelics, alcohol, or weed, I never feel or act that much different. The way you describe a change in thought pattern makes it sound like brain damage, it really does. You see something else in psychoactive drugs that I sincerely do not feel the need to see. Good for you.[/QUOTE] :downsbravo: Just ignore anything you don't like or agree with, it seems to be what you're already doing. [editline]04:35PM[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;24697535] [editline]11:34PM[/editline] The article is not about changes in natural chemical compounds, nor does it describe it.[/QUOTE] The article barely deals with anything at all. Stop acting like psychadelics cause serious damage, and do nothing outside of the actual trip, it doesn't change the world, but it effects you afterwords, as pepin brought up.

You know, I can also learn things about myself by simply not taking drugs, and just thinking instead. I don't think there's anything wrong with drugs, its up to you whether to take them or not.. but there's lots of people like you who search for meaning in them when there really isnt any. My argument is that there are superior alternatives to treat or cure anxiety, and you come in with all this stuff about how drugs teach you about yourself. They may for you, but they don`t for me. [I]Whatever bro.[/I]

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24697693]You know, I can also learn things about myself by simply not taking drugs, and just thinking instead. I don't think there's anything wrong with drugs, its up to you whether to take them or not.. but there's lots of people like you who search for meaning in them when there really isnt any. My argument is that there are superior alternatives to treat or cure anxiety, and you come in with all this stuff about how drugs teach you about yourself. They may for you, but they don`t for me. [I]Whatever bro.[/I][/QUOTE] You really have to go there and act like a condescending brat? Really? "people who do drugs don't ever think without them!!! HURR". Sure, there could be better ways to treat it, but the article doesn't deal with the issue enough that we know the extent of this treatment. If I say that drugs affect you after, as it seems to be the case with this, you just deny that flat out. Cool, you're a genius I guess who knows everything about the subject without any experimentation into it, good for you, now stop acting like a condescending shit. If drugs don't effect you after, explain why it is that MDMA appears to be a valid treatment for PTSD? Cause it totally doesn't effect you after the actual experience. Right?

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24697535]The article is not about changes in natural chemical compounds, nor does it describe it. Opiates are not psychoactive drugs anyways. its one of the few exceptions.[/QUOTE] Drugs bring on different mindsets, weed and LSD among other drugs are very common for causing derealization open mindedness, and other effects. The whole reason as to why people can make such revelation and life changing decisions on drugs is because the drug has totally changed the manner in which the person is thinking.

i feel like it would have some side effects

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24697907]You really have to go there and act like a condescending brat? Really? "people who do drugs don't ever think without them!!! HURR". Sure, there could be better ways to treat it, but the article doesn't deal with the issue enough that we know the extent of this treatment. If I say that drugs affect you after, as it seems to be the case with this, you just deny that flat out. Cool, you're a genius I guess who knows everything about the subject without any experimentation into it, good for you, now stop acting like a condescending shit. If drugs don't effect you after, explain why it is that MDMA appears to be a valid treatment for PTSD? Cause it totally doesn't effect you after the actual experience. Right?[/QUOTE] "people who do drugs don't ever think without them!!! HURR". Where id I say that? Drugs (at least to me) are useful as sort of a social tool of sorts. You take them in modest qauntites at parties or events to loosen up a bit and blend in. I dont find any meaning or helpfulness in any of them beyond that. To be honest I find some of these tests being done to be a bit misleading. I think the people doing them have ulterior motives, its easy to interpret the data positively just as people could do it negatively. Not saying that drugs are bad, once again, it`s just they aren't all that people crack them up to be. Truth be told I don`t think theres really any long term cure for PTSD or anxiety other than a clear conscience. If I was a betting man Id say that any treatment for it is simply sort of a plaecebo effect or a temporary treatment, because PTSD is a condition of the mind caused by horrible events. If one feels that they are being treated, it helps to clear their conscience. Similarly, normal anxiety is a condition of the mind caused by knowing bad (or high magnitude) events are coming up. I get anxiety sometimes, the way to treat it is to simply not think about the things that are making you anxious. Estacy, Shrooms and many psychoactive drugs may have temporarily relieving effects because they alter your conciousness in a way that just happens to be beneficial in helping suppress the symptoms that cause anxiety. It`s not a [I]cure[/I]. If somebody is incapable of coping with anxiety or similarly, PTSD, then drugs (illegal or legal) may be a way to temporarily supress the symptoms until a point where the subject is capable of coping with the symptoms themselves. Bad events in your past get smaller as you move on in life. Its up to the individual whether they want chemical assistance or not. THATS FINE. For me, Ive drank or gotten stoned when Ive been anxious, but to me it only feels like a masking effect. What I dont like is people fucking forcing their ideas about drugs down my throat, when there are undeniably better ways to cope with both anxiety and PTSD. All this medical research into drugs just seems like some lame-ass way of trying to make them legal, rather than just stating that its within peoples rights to use most currently illegal drugs and sticking to that principle.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24697535]No, that doesn't change me, that changes [U]you[/U]. That changes you because you`re content with a temporary and artificial feeling induced by a temporary change in your nervous system. That`s ALL psychoactive drugs do, apart from damaging side effects. YOU are content learning something from altered thought patterns and perception, I'm not. Other than losing my ability to see and think properly while under the influence of psychedelics, alcohol, or weed, I never feel or act that much different. The way you describe a change in thought pattern makes it sound like brain damage, it really does. You see something else in psychoactive drugs that I sincerely do not feel the need to see. Good for you. [editline]11:34PM[/editline] The article is not about changes in natural chemical compounds, nor does it describe it. Opiates are not psychoactive drugs anyways. its one of the few exceptions.[/QUOTE] you are making me fucking rage, dawg. what's all this "temporary" shit? do you realise that EVERYTHING is temporary? You're only in this moment for this moment. if you'd rather waste that moment doing nothing because everything else would just be temporary, then you're an idiot. drugs can give an experience more satisfying than any movie or tv show. it will also provide unbelievable insight into life and the chaotic way it works. it teaches you things you'd never know if you could never leave your regular human ways of thinking. you cannot get this kind of understanding anywhere else. [editline]05:52PM[/editline] and drugs can help you cope with situations by providing alternative perspectives. drugs have made me see things so much differently and made me a much better person

Wow you just totally took a much more valid argument and made it look totally stereotypical and incredibly dumb and shallow. Drugs give [U]you[/U] an experience much more satisfying than a TV or Movie. That doesn't mean it applies to me.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24699460]Wow you just totally took a much more valid argument and made it look totally stereotypical and incredibly dumb and shallow. Drugs give [U]you[/U] an experience much more satisfying than a TV or Movie. That doesn't mean it applies to me.[/QUOTE] have you ever tripped hard?

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24699460]Wow you just totally took a much more valid argument and made it look totally stereotypical and incredibly dumb and shallow. Drugs give [U]you[/U] an experience much more satisfying than a TV or Movie. That doesn't mean it applies to me.[/QUOTE] If someone takes shrooms for anxeity and it helps them, even if just for a little while, [b]WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE?[/b] It helped. It did it's job, there is no permanent cure for most of this shit.

I [I]don`t[/I] care. If you go to my first post in the thread, I said that there are just better treatments. If you go to my first few posts, none of them said anything against using psychoactive drugs as treatment. I just said they are [U]only treatment[/U], not miracle treatments or miracle cures, and that there are better drugs for most of these uses that keep popping up. I would use a psycotive drug in place of something better under certain conditions, those conditions usually being that prescription drugs are expensive as fuck when they don't need to be, whereas things like pot or shrooms can be grown by anybody.

what are these "better treatments"? do you know that one of the biggest reasons illegal drugs are illegal is because they would dominate the market and take away the need for many of the pharmaceuticals currently used? you are filled with propaganda from birth that "drugs are bad" when really they can be some of the most helpful tools in the world.

There can be many benefits to the effects of drugs that can cause life changing events to occur. Many times in a hospital, a person will lose the will to live, and this affects their body in a very negative way. A patient's health has a decent correlation with how they feel. If lets say someone were to take one of these drugs who was felt life wasn't worth living, gained a new outlook through a breakthrough, and then maintained a positive attitude which lead to better health or at least happiness, isn't that enough to justify the use?

[QUOTE=bravehat;24665032] LSD was first synthesised in a lab and was proven by the CIA to increase creativity, concentration and problem solving capability.[/QUOTE] that sounds like a lie i was none of those things while on LSD, i was only paranoid and became more paranoid [editline]11:36PM[/editline] you guys are hyping drugs up way more than it should be hyped i've tried a lot of drugs and it just made problems for me

Also, there were many breakthrough with treatments using ecstasy before it became illegal. Why shouldn't ecstasy be used if it can help out someone's life. There are always alternatives to most anything, but they are usually considered alternatives because they are not as effective is the primary method. As far as treating depression for dying patients, would weeks of counseling do any good when compared to one small trip that could perhaps make them happy? [editline]02:46AM[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;24704809]that sounds like a lie i was none of those things while on LSD, i was only paranoid and became more paranoid [editline]11:36PM[/editline] you guys are hyping drugs up way more than it should be hyped i've tried a lot of drugs and it just made problems for me[/QUOTE] Sounds like you don't know how to do drugs. You can't base anything off of just your experience. Many report positive life changing events after taking acid or other intense drugs. Most don't though. But then you have to take into account some studies that were going on before LSD was make illegal. They put some very smart people in a room, gave them acid, and let them trip and had them work on stuff related to their field. Many of them had major breakthroughs and thought of things they never could have before. Now saying that is going to happen to all is just ridiculous, but in many drugs like acid can have that affect. But this article is about using drugs for medical purposes, and they aren't likely to make any problems because the amount given isn't any to get a crazy trip out of.

[QUOTE=Pepin;24704846] Sounds like you don't know how to do drugs. You can't base anything off of just your experience. Many report positive life changing events after taking acid or other intense drugs. Most don't though. But then you have to take into account some studies that were going on before LSD was make illegal. They put some very smart people in a room, gave them acid, and let them trip and had them work on stuff related to their field. Many of them had major breakthroughs and thought of things they never could have before. But article is about using drugs for medical purposes, and they aren't likely to make any problems because the amount given isn't any to get a crazy trip out of.[/QUOTE] i'm not basing anything off nothing, i just felt like i missed out then again i took heroin so there you go

[QUOTE=thisispain;24704975]i'm not basing anything off nothing, i just felt like i missed out then again i took heroin so there you go[/QUOTE] H sounds like it could be interesting, for some reason I wanted to try it a while ago. I've never really tripped, and probably won't be able to due to certain medical issues. Should have done it before I started getting seizure issues.