Hawaii orders gun owners on medical marijuna to surrender firearms - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52936057]Citation needed?[/QUOTE] Read this post, then, instead of posting a reply to it, scroll up and read through your posts in here. Remove yourself from the words you wrote and read them as if someone else wrote them. What do they look like to you then?

[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;52936060]Your entire "argument" is "Why do Americans have such [I]dumb[/I] laws and '[I]rights.[/I]' You shouldn't have these rights because [I]I[/I] don't have them in [I]my[/I] country, which is [I]so[/I] much better then [I]your[/I] stupid country with it's [I]silly[/I] and [I]childish[/I] laws."[/QUOTE] Wow, and I thought [I]my [/I] strawman was a bit aggressive. That's not even nearly what my point was through any of this. [QUOTE=PaChIrA;52936072]Do you even know what you've written in your posts? Are you drunk or something?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52936080]Do you not read what you post[/QUOTE] How is that "nationalistic shitposting" or "infantile generalizations"? Am I not allowed to have an opinion on this topic? [QUOTE=Grenadiac;52936083]Read this post, then, instead of posting a reply to it, scroll up and read through your posts in here. Remove yourself from the words you wrote and read them as if someone else wrote them. What do they look like to you then?[/QUOTE] They look like [B][I]opinions.[/I][/B]

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52936090]They look like [B][I]opinions.[/I][/B][/QUOTE] You didn't re-read your posts (let alone any of ours) in the 30 seconds it took you to mash the reply button. Go do that before you reply again. Otherwise every future post I make in this thread toward you will be telling you to read your posts.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52936093]You didn't re-read your posts in the 30 seconds it took you to mash the reply button. Go do that before you reply again. Otherwise every future post I make in this thread toward you will be telling you to read your posts.[/QUOTE] How about I [I]don't [/I]do what some random stranger on a forum tells me to do? I know what I wrote, I stand by it.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52936102]How about I [I]don't [/I]do what some random stranger on a forum tells me to do? I know what I wrote, I stand by it.[/QUOTE] Go re-read your posts. I'm not going to be talked down to about my country by some clueless random from the other side the planet with no concept of what life in America is actually like. I live here. You do not. I know why people own guns, I know why I own guns. I know what they're used for, and how dangerous it actually is here. You don't know any of those things - you are an arrogant, condescending foreigner looking for a way to stick it to those amerifats so you can have something to feel smug about. That isn't a good basis for a healthy discussion, so until you re-read your posts and realize what an ass you look like or otherwise check out because nobody here is patting you on the head and giving you a handjob for Tellin It Like It Is, I'm going to keep telling you to do it.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52936090]Wow, and I thought [I]my [/I] strawman was a bit aggressive. That's not even nearly what my point was through any of this. [/QUOTE] Your point is exactly that, you think gun ownership is childish and silly, you said it several times. I'm not even putting words in your mouth, you said what you think of Americans and guns. You're like a comical caricature of anti-gun people who have no idea of what they are talking about at all.

[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;52936107]Your point is exactly that, you think gun ownership is childish and silly, you said it several times. I'm not even putting words in your mouth, you said what you think of Americans and guns.[/QUOTE] I didn't say gun ownership itself was childish and silly, I said I think the amendment promoting it as a "right" is silly. Because it's not a right, it's a privilege. I never said anything about Americans in general, I was talking about the type of gun-owners who would be willing to suffer chronic pain or even die rather than give up their firearms - which is what my initial post was even about in the first place. I think this discussion has taken a pretty severe turn from that point.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52936114] I never said anything about Americans in general[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Coyoteze;52936003]The American fetishization of firearms is weird to me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;52936117]-quote-[/QUOTE] Context missing. Just like there's millions of Americans who want a regulation in gun-laws, there's millions of Americans who want it to remain the same, and there's probably millions who want it to become less regulated. In the context of what I was saying I was talking about: [QUOTE=Coyoteze;52936114]I was talking about the type of gun-owners who would be willing to suffer chronic pain or even die rather than give up their firearms[/QUOTE] The context of this discussion is just as relevant now as it was when the thread started. I'm gonna leave the thread now, the discussion has taken such a hard right-turn from what it was inititally - a moral choice of either keeping your guns and be in agony, or lose your guns but be pain-free.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52936114]Because it's not a right, it's a privilege.[/QUOTE] I never learned about the Bill of Privileges in school :thinking:

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52936122] I'm gonna leave the thread now, the discussion has taken such a hard right-turn from what it was inititally - a moral choice of either keeping your guns and be in agony, or lose your guns but be pain-free.[/QUOTE] There's a simple solution, that they don't take your guns and you get to have medical marijuana. There is no moral choice here, it's just the government finding some way to fuck people over.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52936057]Citation needed?[/QUOTE] [quote][b]nationalist shitposting[/b][/quote] [QUOTE=Coyoteze;52935883]Yes. Maybe it's because I'm in a country where I don't feel the need to hold my government at gunpoint, nor do I feel threatened enough by the people I see on the street that I feel I need a gun to keep me safe?[/QUOTE] [quote][b]infantile generalizations[/b][/quote] [QUOTE=Coyoteze;52936003]The American fetishization of firearms is weird to me. It is childish, and I do think it's silly. I don't see how I lack self-awareness for thinking your constitution has some ridiculous flaws in it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52935507]So if you were struck with, say, cancer or some other debilitating disease that causes you active pain - you would rather suffer that and die than give up your weapons? I realize this is a bit of strawman, but that's what I'm getting from this.[/QUOTE] Medical marijuana does not cure cancer and it is not even a viable solution to cancer. I'd jump on chemo treatment before I dick arounf trying to get a license just to smoke. And thank you Hawaii for proving that registration is only good for confiscation. [editline]30th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Coyoteze;52936114] Because it's not a right, it's a privilege.[/QUOTE] I dont really care what your opinion is on the US Bill of Rights, or our Constitution, or anything else honestly (you've proven yourself to be more opinionated than you are informed), but our right to firearms is a right. It is in the "Bill of [b]RIGHTS [/b]" and is listed as such. Its fine if you think it shouldn't be a right, but quit saying the sky isn't blue just because you want it to be purple.

it is so obvious that this legislation was put in place to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens. hawaii has a hard-on for restricting guns

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52936114]I didn't say gun ownership itself was childish and silly, I said I think the amendment promoting it as a "right" is silly. Because it's not a right, it's a privilege. I never said anything about Americans in general, I was talking about the type of gun-owners who would be willing to suffer chronic pain or even die rather than give up their firearms - which is what my initial post was even about in the first place. I think this discussion has taken a pretty severe turn from that point.[/QUOTE] i think it is a right for the people, they need guns to protect themselves from the scary governments like hawaii who forcibly steal guns under the guise of "protecting other people" yet people who drink can still legally own guns.

Could it be that people on the liberal side of the political spectrum are more likely to use marijuana and therefore this law aims that side of firearms?

And this is why even though I know I qualify for it; I won't get my red card. I don't want to get fucked out of owning guns even though I'm clearly a criminal stoner who does nothing but illegal stuff with guns.

[QUOTE=Sunday_Roast;52937392]Could it be that people on the liberal side of the political spectrum are more likely to use marijuana and therefore this law aims that side of firearms?[/QUOTE] This is the dumbest deflection/theory I've ever heard. You gotta really be up your party's ass to construe gun confiscation as a republican plot against libs

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52939726]This is the dumbest deflection/theory I've ever heard. You gotta really be up your party's ass to construe gun confiscation as a republican plot against libs[/QUOTE] I mean I wouldn't put it past some Rep legislators to attempt it but that's not what's happening here.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52935929]We all have the natural ability to take objects and own them. We also have a natural right to self preservation, which means the right to ensure that we are able to protect ourselves and our lives. Either way, you missed the entire point.[/QUOTE] Not if you’re a felon, then the government can suspend your rights. Always saw this as being one of the easiest way to confiscate guns from Americans, took them long enough to catch on to that loophole.

[QUOTE='[LOA] SonofBrim;52934152']Running into the same issue here in PA, I know a LOT of people who are interested in medical but don't want to be barred from owning guns. It makes no sense - you can own alcohol and guns, you can be prescribed opiates and own guns, how marijuana, a drug significantly less harmful (and impairing in many ways) is being treated as [I]more[/I] dangerous is beyond me. If stuff like this doesn't get cut out, the black market isn't going to go away when legalization finally rolls through, however long even that takes.[/QUOTE] pot should not be schedule 1, the DEA just up and ignored the last 30 years of evidence to the contrary when they recently (after much pressure) opened up to looking to reschedule it

[QUOTE=Sunday_Roast;52937392]Could it be that people on the liberal side of the political spectrum are more likely to use marijuana and therefore this law aims that side of firearms?[/QUOTE] The Hawaii House of Representatives has only 5 Republicans in it. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii_House_of_Representatives[/url] The Hawaii Senate is entirely made up of Democrats. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii_Senate[/url] This is not a Republican plot, don't be dumb.

It's a plot to confiscate firearms from law abiding Americans regardless of which party is nefarious enough to employ it as a tactic to disarm us. It doesn't matter which party is trying to use the law selectively to revoke people's rights to keep and bear arms, all that matters is that you keep your firearms regardless, because it's your right regardless.

[QUOTE=Hinterlight;52945071]The Hawaii House of Representatives has only 5 Republicans in it. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii_House_of_Representatives[/url] The Hawaii Senate is entirely made up of Democrats. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii_Senate[/url] This is not a Republican plot, don't be dumb.[/QUOTE] Yeah, just another Democratic plot to take people's guns away. And they call us crazy.

the left and other statists want to take away the people's guns not for 'safety' or for any moral reason, but because they want to strip away YOUR rights if they wanted a safer world they would get rid of cars, pools, hard surfaces, tools, alcohol, and unhealthy foods. it'd make a bigger impact doing anything about any of those than it would for guns, but why don't they? the second amendment is just the easiest place to start, after all, once the people are disarmed, how will they fight back once you start taking away other rights? lose your guns, lose the 2nd amendment and you have nothing bastards, the lot of them also i dont see how weed should prevent you from owning a gun

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;52944869]Not if you’re a felon, then the government can suspend your rights. Always saw this as being one of the easiest way to confiscate guns from Americans, took them long enough to catch on to that loophole.[/QUOTE] You're not a felon until you've been arrested and tried by the court. So the police would have to actually arrest these people and bring them up on charges for felony possession in order to be able to legally strip their second amendment rights because *felon*, which goes against it being legal in Hawaii to have and smoke pot for medicinal purposes. The federal law on possession of any amount of pot without intent to distribute is a misdemeanor charge until at least the 3rd charge, and the feds aren't going after the guy with a glaucoma or cancer. So, with which felony can they be charged to strip them of their rights?

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52945590]You're not a felon until you've been arrested and tried by the court. So the police would have to actually arrest these people and bring them up on charges for felony possession in order to be able to legally strip their second amendment rights because *felon*, which goes against it being legal in Hawaii to have and smoke pot for medicinal purposes. The federal law on possession of any amount of pot without intent to distribute is a misdemeanor charge until at least the 3rd charge, and the feds aren't going after the guy with a glaucoma or cancer. So, with which felony can they be charged to strip them of their rights?[/QUOTE] Hawaii has a licensing system for firearms. So if they confiscate your firearms, they can deny you access to new ones even if you have no priors; you can be denied your 2A rights for whatever reason they want. Right now they're denying 2A rights for legal possession and use of Marijuana.

[url]https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/hawaii/articles/2017-12-02/police-policy-banning-guns-for-legal-pot-users-under-review[/url] [quote] The Honolulu Police Department is reviewing a policy requiring medical marijuana users to turn over their firearms, police officials say. The department sent letters to at least 30 gun owners last month, saying they had 30 days to surrender or transfer ownership of their guns. The notices sparked backlash from residents, prompting the police review, the Honolulu Star-Advertiser reported Friday.[/quote] Seems they're back tracking now. Mainly it appears to be because of marijuana advocates. [quote]Dr. Clifton Otto, an advocate for medical marijuana, said the department cannot justify taking firearms away by citing medical marijuana use as a violation of federal law. Federal scheduling of marijuana does not apply for medical use in Hawaii, he said.[/quote]