Oculus founder Palmer Luckey secretly funds a pro-Trump organization dedicated to "shitposting"
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[media]https://twitter.com/StarFire2258/status/779421094771949568[/media]
its happening
[QUOTE=Wii60;51095894][media]https://twitter.com/StarFire2258/status/779421094771949568[/media]
its happening[/QUOTE]
Oh sweet merciful christ. Gentlemen, I think we've found our meme for September, and our early October Surprise :godzing:
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;51095806]That's irrelevant with how many people already show their hatred for Trump on a daily basis on the internet.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying it doesn't make sense that a lot of people who show their hatred for Trump on a daily basis, would use an opportunity to show their hatred for Trump?
[QUOTE]The kind of people who would stop buying a product because of something like this are likely the kind of people who insist on making it immediately apparent who they do and don't support anyway[/QUOTE]
Yeah, exactly? They care about it to an extreme degree which makes them speak out about it at any given opportunity, of which this is a pretty good one.
Gizmodo more-or-less-doxxed his girlfriend over this, dedicating about half their smear-piece to her: [media]https://twitter.com/icze4r/status/779421268726669312[/media]
She's been harassed off Twitter it seems.
Since they're now owned by Univision, which has an ethics policy against stuff like this as far as I can tell, [URL="https://twitter.com/Angelheartnight/status/779400084014391296"]it might be worthwhile to contact them over this[/URL].
they shouldn't involve his girlfriend
she is not related to oculus at all except through relationship status. it's basically a low blow.
[QUOTE=Wii60;51096072]they shouldn't involve his girlfriend
she is not related to oculus at all except through relationship status. it's basically a low blow.[/QUOTE]
[media]https://twitter.com/TinyPixelBlock/status/779429282405871624[/media] put it pretty well I think. I assume she's an acceptable target to them since she's a trump supporter and cosplayed as Vivian James.
i wish i had enough money to pay people to shitpost for me
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;51095679]I think the fact that you have to chop up what I've said, remove it from it's context and [I]add exclamation points[/I] kind of says it all.[/QUOTE]
I think the fact that you're moaning about me "tone policing" you instead of just admitting you're a big hypocrite kind of says it all. My characterization of what you said is hardly inaccurate, you whined at somebody for saying the Vive is better and then almost immediately pivoted and said the Rift is unarguably more polished and the Vive is a rushed developer kit. It's pretty simple.
Edit: lol, its sick how all your replies are you just backpedaling and changing the topic. "Don't reply to what I said before, reply to my attempt at saving face instead!"
Man I've been saying this for years, the Internet, memes & shitposting is more powerful than a TV advert or news station firing its views at you can ever be.
[QUOTE=Vasili;51096135]Man I've been saying this for years, the Internet, memes & shitposting is more powerful than a TV advert or news station firing its views at you can ever be.[/QUOTE]
Anime Nazis and irritating hypersensitive progressive liberals on Twitter simultaneously aren't important in the grand scheme of things but are still seeping disconcertingly into the real world and having real world consequences in my view
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51096144]Anime Nazis and irritating hypersensitive progressive liberals on Twitter simultaneously aren't important in the grand scheme of things but are still seeping disconcertingly into the real world and having real world consequences in my view[/QUOTE]
I think you mean progressive authoritarians. The liberal approach is pretty different from this.
That's probably a good definition. I find it hard to define these people nowadays in a way which is both meaningful, not too broad (eg. 'feminists' isn't adequate) and doesn't sound like I'm some alt-right crybaby bitch who thinks their life is ruined by the ess jay doubleyous
[QUOTE=srobins;51096126]I think the fact that you're moaning about me "tone policing" you instead of just admitting you're a big hypocrite kind of says it all. My characterization of what you said is hardly inaccurate, you whined at somebody for saying the Vive is better and then almost immediately pivoted and said the Rift is unarguably more polished and the Vive is a rushed developer kit. It's pretty simple.[/QUOTE]
try reading this time
[quote]I have 0 problems with someone preferring the vive or stating that preference.
I have a problem with someone who pretentiously implies it's objectively the best without being willing to even talk about why they think that.
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respond to that or don't respond at all, it's not my fault if you can't tell the difference.
either way, I'm not the one in the wrong here.
[url]http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/09/some-developers-dropping-oculus-support-to-protest-founders-politics/[/url]
people continue to drop support
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51096154]That's probably a good definition. I find it hard to define these people nowadays in a way which is both meaningful, not too broad (eg. 'feminists' isn't adequate) and doesn't sound like I'm some alt-right crybaby bitch who thinks their life is ruined by the ess jay doubleyous[/QUOTE]
Another term that's floating around is the 'regressive left', though that's obviously derogatory.
It's mostly used to refer to people working against traditionally left ideals because of how badly and counter-productively they campaign for them.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;51096191]Another term that's floating around is the 'regressive left', though that's obviously derogatory.
It's mostly used to refer to people working against traditionally left ideals because of how badly and counter-productively they campaign for them.[/QUOTE]
I really don't like that word because it is:
a) derogatory
b) over-used and a buzzword
c) implies the 'progressive' left are correct, it's just these darn 'regressives' screwing it all up!
Saying that "hes just paying people to 'shitpost' whats the big deal" is kinda downplaying it imo. It's pretty much contemporary propaganda that hes paying for. And yeah, its his money and he can do whatever he wants with it, I dont have a problem with that, but just the same its the consumers choice to decide that they dont want to give money that could potentially fund these kinds of activities
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51096203]I really don't like that word because it is:
a) derogatory
b) over-used and a buzzword
c) implies the 'progressive' left are correct, it's just these darn 'regressives' screwing it all up![/QUOTE]
I personally don't really disagree with it, just because of at odds they are with what they proclaim to stand for and how much of a throwback it is to policies that were abolished to make room for their stated goals. I can definitely see why you'd avoid using it though.
All in all it's messy, and I think currently both the 'left' and 'right' are dissolving as useful political shorthands.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51096210]Saying that "hes just paying people to 'shitpost' whats the big deal" is kinda downplaying it imo. It's pretty much contemporary propaganda that hes paying for. And yeah, its his money and he can do whatever he wants with it, I dont have a problem with that, but just the same its the consumers choice to decide that they dont want to give money that could potentially fund these kinds of activities[/QUOTE]
What's the difference between this and hiring actors to promote another candidate?
[QUOTE=Wii60;51096171][url]http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/09/some-developers-dropping-oculus-support-to-protest-founders-politics/[/url]
people continue to drop support[/QUOTE]
Kneejerking developers continue punishing half a million users for something a company's founder may or may not have done, proof and official statements still pending.
[QUOTE=Orkel;51096228]Kneejerking developers continue punishing half a million users for something a company's founder may or may not have done, proof and official statements still pending.[/QUOTE]
this punishes oculus more than it does owners of rift hardware, on account of SteamVR games running on the rift
the point is that they don't want to split profits of their game sales with the oculus store given the allegations
[QUOTE=Thlis;51096223]What's the difference between this and hiring actors to promote another candidate?[/QUOTE]
Not sure what you're talking about, is it that subtly anti-trump video that I saw on videos and stuff but didnt watch?
I dont support that either but its within their rights to do so. Difference is that I can choose to not support oculus with my wallet but ads like that are a done deal that have no impact by me doing anything
[QUOTE=Orkel;51096228]Kneejerking developers continue punishing half a million users for something a company's founder may or may not have done, proof and official statements still pending.[/QUOTE]
Lets be honest, these developers would be lucky if they could punish 100 users, let alone half a million.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51096237]Difference is that I can choose to not support oculus with my wallet but ads like that are a done deal that have no impact by me doing anything[/QUOTE]
I honestly don't understand the difference you are inferring between the two.
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I honestly don't understand the difference you are inferring between the two.[/QUOTE]
I have no idea what rich influential millionares funded the super-pac that made that video, if I did I probably wouldnt support them
Its just easier for me to not support oculus because beyond a shadow of doubt the money the guy is making from it is going towards digital propaganda that I personally disagree with
I dont know why you're trying to pin some sort of hypocrisy on me for this
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51096288]I have no idea what rich influential millionares funded the super-pac that made that video, if I did I probably wouldnt support them
Its just easier for me to not support oculus because beyond a shadow of doubt the money the guy is making from it is going towards digital propaganda that I personally disagree with
I dont know why you're trying to pin some sort of hypocrisy on me for this[/QUOTE]
i'm not arguing hypocrisy, but i'd like to raise the point that facebook surely makes more money off VR than palmer does
i've got no idea if hillary gets more money from facebook than trump gets from palmer, but it's food for thought
or if you broke it down into how many pennies of a rift sale->palmer->trump versus rift sale->facebook->hillary
[QUOTE=bitches;51096302]i'm not arguing hypocrisy, but i'd like to raise the point that facebook surely makes more money off VR than palmer does
i've got no idea if hillary gets more money from facebook than trump gets from palmer, but it's food for thought[/QUOTE]
Yeah they probably do, but I'd say its more about the virtue of it all than the nitty gritty details of where the money goes for most people/the companies that are denouncing support.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51096288]I have no idea what rich influential millionares funded the super-pac that made that video, if I did I probably wouldnt support them
Its just easier for me to not support oculus because beyond a shadow of doubt the money the guy is making from it is going towards digital propaganda that I personally disagree with
I dont know why you're trying to pin some sort of hypocrisy on me for this[/QUOTE]
I am not trying to pin hypocrisy on you, I am just saying I don't understand the difference between paying someone to promote you and paying someone to promote you.
I just dislike how we've come to the point where you have to be afraid of your political beliefs being known. Is it really necessary to drive the mob to the loved ones of these people?
[QUOTE=Thlis;51096341]I am not trying to pin hypocrisy on you, I am just saying I don't understand the difference between paying someone to promote you and paying someone to promote you.
I just dislike how we've come to the point where you have to be afraid of your political beliefs being known.[/QUOTE]
You dont have to be afraid of having your political beliefs being known, I doubt most people really care.
This election is a little bit different though because the candidates are so polarizing and tensions for many issues in this nation are so high. That's just a symptom of the political climate in this country and isnt really anything to overly worry about imo
For company executives/people that represent companies its always been this way though, a ceo having their polarizing or unpopular political/social beliefs known is a pretty bad idea no matter what they are, because people ARE going to disagree with you and that WILL make people boycott/refrain from buying your product. This case is no different than the Chick Fil A case.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51096378]You dont have to be afraid of having your political beliefs being known, I doubt most people really care.
This election is a little bit different though because the candidates are so polarizing and tensions for many issues in this nation are so high. That's just a symptom of the political climate in this country and isnt really anything to overly worry about imo
For company executives/people that represent companies its always been this way though, a ceo having their polarizing or unpopular political/social beliefs known is a pretty bad idea no matter what they are, because people ARE going to disagree with you and that WILL make people boycott/refrain from buying your product. This case is no different than the Chick Fil A case.[/QUOTE]
It's kind of worrying when your only choice as a company head, or even someone who is in the public eye, is to
A) Endorse only one predetermined candidate
B) Shut up
Lest you want a mob of people to want you gone, for something that really doesn't have anything to do with your product. I'd compare this more to the Mozilla incident.
[QUOTE=Thlis;51096392]It's kind of worrying when your only choice as a company head is to
A) Endorse only one predetermined candidate
B) Shut up
Lest you want a mob of people to want you gone, for something that really doesn't have anything to do with your product. I'd compare this more to the Mozilla incident.[/QUOTE]
Its always been that way and I doubt that will ever really change, its just part of what comes with being in the public eye and having the responsibilities that come with being a corporate executive. In fact its probably a lot better now than it was centuries ago when you'd get lynched or tarred and feathered for something of that nature
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