• Religion in decline in Scotland
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[QUOTE=plunger435;50074243]I don't understand what you're trying to say.[/QUOTE] What don't you understand? And in any case, that's your loss not mine. [editline]6th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=spiritlol;50075320]Where would someone with solipsism syndrome go? Where would an existentialist go? Where would a nihilist go?[/QUOTE] I barely even know what that syndrome is, solipsism alone is a pretty nutty philosophical stance, but not wrong either. An existential would definitely accept it, as would a nihilist most likely. Or an existential nihilist, which is what I assume you meant.
[QUOTE=spiritlol;50075320]Where would someone with solipsism syndrome go? Where would an existentialist go? Where would a nihilist go?[/QUOTE] also remember just because Religion is slowing dying out doesn't mean people are losing their spirituality. personally I consider my self to be very spiritual, my sister actually has a degree in mysticism, not much she can do with it tho except have dope ass debates with me, my other sister or when we're baked. I gained a lot of spiritually through reading about metaphysics and doing a lot of weed tbh
Mysticism? Lol, did she minor in Pyramid Power?
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50080338]What don't you understand? And in any case, that's your loss not mine. [editline]6th April 2016[/editline] I barely even know what that syndrome is, solipsism alone is a pretty nutty philosophical stance, but not wrong either. An existential would definitely accept it, as would a nihilist most likely. Or an existential nihilist, which is what I assume you meant.[/QUOTE] There's christian existentialism and atheist existentialism as well. You can't simply all philosophies and faiths to just two distinct categories like that.
1) There are those that believe there is an external God / creator. 2) There are those that believe there is not an external God / creator and that humans are not God-like either. 3) There are those that believe that it is the right and duty of the fittest and most able to BECOME God-like on this earth, with the power to dominate everyone else, and who actively launch the people of other religions at each other in the name of those belief systems in order to watch society collapse, so that they can rebuild it themselves (watch out for those - they're the real crazies!) ...finally (4) there are those that aren't interested in the subject either way. Not enough of those are paying enough attention to (3) because they're too busy on Xbox Live (or whatever floats their boat).
[QUOTE=plunger435;50081217]There's christian existentialism and atheist existentialism as well. You can't simply all philosophies and faiths to just two distinct categories like that.[/QUOTE] Most religions and believers [I]do[/I] like to claim there is a purpose to life. That there is a greater or divine purpose to life. Something beyond life, like after life, but it can be pretty much anything, like claiming sex is the meaning of life. All of which is only denying the so-called Absurdity of life & existence, where basically we are allowed construct our own meaning for life, however we can't be certain of the value of our own constructed meaning, nor can we be certain that we are unable to create meaning in the first place, which is what nihilism claims but it's not logical imho.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50082445]Most religions and believers [I]do[/I] like to claim there is a purpose to life. That there is a greater or divine purpose to life. Something beyond life, like after life, but it can be pretty much anything, like claiming sex is the meaning of life. All of which is only denying the so-called Absurdity of life & existence, where basically we are allowed construct our own meaning for life, however we can't be certain of the value of our own constructed meaning, nor can we be certain that we are unable to create meaning in the first place, which is what nihilism claims but it's not logical imho.[/QUOTE] That's Christian existentialism.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50083260]That's Christian existentialism.[/QUOTE] Yes, kinda..? You speak in really short posts so this is weird. I'm not sure if Christian existentialism posits exactly that (existence of afterlife etc.), as existentialism in general is all about constructing our own values and determining our own meaning for life, except through [I]personally[/I] interpreting and studying the Bible, talking to God in a way. But it's still not really logical, as I said before, we can't be certain of the value of our own constructed meaning for life, thus making existence absurd.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50086809] But it's still not really logical, as I said before, we can't be certain of the value of our own constructed meaning for life, thus making existence absurd.[/QUOTE] I dont think existentialism's point is to deny absurdity. Existentialists (at least atheist ones) accept the absurdity of life, but continue to create personal meaning in spite of it. The main point is that the only thing we can have the most certainty of is our own meanings as opposed to those created by external sources. Søren Kierkegaard posited something of that sort and found that individual experiences of spirituality lead him to believe in his own form of the Christian God.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;50081170]Mysticism? Lol, did she minor in Pyramid Power?[/QUOTE] yes
Well Islam will fill the void.
[QUOTE=JFF_;50089116]Well Islam will fill the void.[/QUOTE] tbh new age "spirituality" and other exotic imports and inventions seem to be doing the job the gap these days is largely filled by people who are scared of dying but can't be arsed enough to practice religion
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50089349]tbh new age "spirituality" and other exotic imports and inventions seem to be doing the job the gap these days is largely filled by people who are scared of dying but can't be arsed enough to practice religion[/QUOTE] I've noticed a few people I know developing new age belief practices, and while I don't think I am in any position to judge another's faith I confess that I chalked that up to them being philosophy majors and doing a LOT of drugs. There is now a shamanic practitioner in my town who will charge you £50 an hour for a 'Spirit Session'.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50089349]tbh new age "spirituality" and other exotic imports and inventions seem to be doing the job the gap these days is largely filled by people who are scared of dying but can't be arsed enough to practice religion[/QUOTE] [url]https://youtu.be/yRujuE-GIY4?t=83[/url]
[QUOTE=Boilermaker;50088148]I dont think existentialism's point is to deny absurdity. [I]Existentialists[/I] (at least atheist ones) [I]accept the absurdity of life[/I], but continue to create personal meaning in spite of it. The main point is that the only thing we can have the most certainty of is our own meanings as opposed to those created by external sources. Søren Kierkegaard posited something of that sort and found that [I]individual experiences of spirituality lead him to believe in his own form of the Christian God.[/I][/QUOTE] Yes exactly, I figured as much. It's not the point to deny it really, but where does that leave us now, in terms of absurdism? You said that we can have the "most" certainty of the value of our own constructed meanings as existentialists might say, but I say not so fast. By accepting the "absurd", you kinda have to posit that we can't even be certain of the value of our own constructed meanings, but we are allowed the possibility to, even encouraged to.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50093837] You said that we can have the "most" certainty of the value of our own constructed meanings as existentialists might say, but I say not so fast. By accepting the "absurd", you kinda have to posit that we can't even be certain of the value of our own constructed meanings, but we are allowed the possibility to, even encouraged to.[/QUOTE] But how can we be truly certain of anything? The absurd doesnt necessarily imply that there is no inherent meaning, but that that meaning is not able to be discovered with certainty by humans. Similarly, we cannot be a true skeptic of everything as well. I think existentialists who posit that we should accept our own subjective meanings feel that because we cannot be truly skeptical of everything, we always [I]feel[/I] certain of something and that something is ultimately subjective. Certain constructed meanings may be necessary in order to survive and ultimately, there is no solid ground to prove that they are 'wrong' in the first place. It may not be the most accurate portrayal of reality, but it is not inherently illogical.
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