Republican's use "The Town" clip to unify with Tea Party - Dems angry ? - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ridge;31401042]MSNBC is no more credible than Fox News.[/QUOTE] msnbc has programming like lockup and dateline fox news has bill o'reilly i think iv made my point [QUOTE=DOG-GY;31401119]one was an idea from nixon to put gop ideas into the public's head, one was not hmm[/QUOTE] wat

[QUOTE=Ridge;31401252]For instance. Here is a video that MSNBC edited to make the Tea Party look racist by editing out the black guy. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvBQDHqdCck[/media][/QUOTE] It doesn't really matter how many black people are in the Tea Party, that doesn't make them less racist then I already perceived them.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31401477]It doesn't really matter how many black people are in the Tea Party, that doesn't make them less racist then I already perceived them.[/QUOTE] a news organization purposefully cropping the picture to hide the man's race and then saying that the affair is racially motivated is pretty shifty. but at the same time, the tea party movement is pretty racist in general

The Tea Party have contributed much to political discourse here. Such as this sophisticated and tolerant dialogue. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NutFkykjmbM[/media] Edit or this [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs_wxPdQdeA[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abv5vhe4tUs[/media]

[QUOTE=Ridge;31401252]For instance. Here is a video that MSNBC edited to make the Tea Party look racist by editing out the black guy. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvBQDHqdCck[/media][/QUOTE] The black guy was just trying to protect himself from all the white people there, obviously.

[QUOTE=MercZ;31401612]The Tea Party have contributed much to political discourse here. Such as this sophisticated and tolerant dialogue. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NutFkykjmbM[/media] Edit or this [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs_wxPdQdeA[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abv5vhe4tUs[/media][/QUOTE] regarding the 2nd video, do groups of protesters really wander around looking for muslim people to harass?

[QUOTE=MercZ;31401612]The Tea Party have contributed much to political discourse here. Such as this sophisticated and tolerant dialogue. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NutFkykjmbM[/media] Edit or this [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs_wxPdQdeA[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abv5vhe4tUs[/media][/QUOTE] At what point do the people in either of the 2nd and 3rd video identify themselves with the Tea Party? There are jackasses in every group. The fact that there is someone standing right next to the man praying with a sign directly mentioning him says to me this is staged. Though I applaud the woman in the third video. I was wanting to ask those people those exact same questions. As for the politicians in the first video, they should be ashamed of themselves, as should the people that elected them. That kind of hatred is not acceptable, especially in a position of power like that.

I've seen democrats pulling out how many republicans are in debt just to mess with them.

[QUOTE=Swilly;31401980]I've seen democrats pulling out how many republicans are in debt just to mess with them.[/QUOTE] Ah yes, like Arnold Schwarzenegger, who refused to take a paycheck while California was in financial crisis.

Who gives a fuck Ridge. I agree with you on MSNBC, but you've successfully derailed the thread because of your ignorance to the facts that TYT are a reputable source for news, even if they are biased, and that the Senator used the damn clip. It's not our problem that you don't know this, maybe you would if you watched something other than Fox News. God damned deal with it. There's to reason to come into a thread and fill it with conservative banter when it has no place in it. This is not a discussion about the legitimacy of MSNBC, it is a discussion about the use of this movie clip by a Senator. If you don't have something to say on that, which you haven't so far, then please, get the fuck out until you do.

tyt is on the same level as o'reilly or hannity in the sense that they dont actually present any news, but rather take news stories already floating about and "analyze" it so in this case fox and tyt are on par since neither are really presenting news either way, ridge, couldnt you just double check the news story? all it needs is a simple google search to confirm the story

Am I seriously the only one that doesn't really give a fuck about what sort of content they're using? Obama danced to snoop, does that mean he's a crip or something? Even assuming this is real, with full confidence in TYT, this story is fucking stupid.

[QUOTE=s0beit;31404101]Am I seriously the only one that doesn't really give a fuck about what sort of content they're using? Obama danced to snoop, does that mean he's a crip or something? Even assuming this is real, with full confidence in TYT, this story is fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] I find the story less stupid than the idea that they would use a movie about robbing banks and shooting/beating people up to inspire politicians about legislation.

[QUOTE=Ridge;31401252]For instance. Here is a video that MSNBC edited to make the Tea Party look racist by editing out the black guy. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvBQDHqdCck[/media][/QUOTE] Ridge: "Having a black friend means you're not racist"

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31404432]Ridge: "Having a black friend means you're not racist"[/QUOTE] It'd be like if I made the argument that because there is at least 1 gay Tea Partier, that the Tea Party is not prejudiced against gays.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31404492]It'd be like if I made the argument that because there is at least 1 gay Tea Partier, that the Tea Party is not prejudiced against gays.[/QUOTE] The group's ideologies are not. Their ideologies don't even get into gay marriage. People within might have an opinion, but that's going to happen. If an NFL player said gays shouldn't marry, does that mean that the NFL as a whole does not support gay rights?

[QUOTE=Ridge;31406847]The group's ideologies are not. Their ideologies don't even get into gay marriage. People within might have an opinion, but that's going to happen. If an NFL player said gays shouldn't marry, does that mean that the NFL as a whole does not support gay rights?[/QUOTE] No, in that case the NFL is not responsible, but the NFL is not a political movement. In the world of politics, the whole of one's ideas matters, and you cannot simply ignore someone or something that involves bigoted views just because one or more of their ideas may have merit.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31406887]No, in that case the NFL is not responsible, but the NFL is not a political movement. In the world of politics, the whole of one's ideas matters, and you cannot simply ignore someone or something that involves bigoted views just because one or more of their ideas may have merit.[/QUOTE] you got it backwards you cant ignore the ideas that have merit because a person is a bigot. the only ideas that connect the movement as a whole are fiscal, not social. the tea party is not a racist movement, it is a movement with a lot of racists. its like if a socialist rally had racial slurs. you could say those guys are racist, and you could go as far as to say the party they are rallying for is racist. but you cant say the socialist movement as a whole is racist

[QUOTE=yawmwen;31412190]the only ideas that connect the movement as a whole are fiscal, not social. the tea party is not a racist movement, it is a movement with a lot of racists. its like if a socialist rally had racial slurs. you could say those guys are racist, and you could go as far as to say the party they are rallying for is racist. but you cant say the socialist movement as a whole is racist[/QUOTE] Well, again you're referring to the Tea Party as an ideology, when I would consider it more of a loosely connected group of people that operate under different ideologies (Conservative, Libertarian, etc.). There isn't really a comparable "Socialist Movement", although there are Socialist parties, and if they were racist, I wouldn't vote for them no matter how solid their economical policy was.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31412266]Well, again you're referring to the Tea Party as an ideology, when I would consider it more of a loosely connected group of people that operate under different ideologies (Conservative, Libertarian, etc.).[/quote] its more like an ideology than something organized. it ties together conservatives and libertarians with fiscal policy. in fact the tea parties often support republicans versus putting their own candidates up, and some republicans identify themselves and each other as tea baggers. i guess ideology is the wrong word to use, its more like a...strand of ideology. a common denominator among a lot of conservatives and libertarians that they feel is important enough to categorize and name [quote]There isn't really a comparable "Socialist Movement", although there are Socialist parties, and if they were racist, I wouldn't vote for them no matter how solid their economical policy was.[/QUOTE] im speaking in hypotheticals. i should have said "if there was a socialist movement similar to the tea party". my point is that small racist groups dont represent the whole, especially when the whole has nothing to do with race to begin with. attack a tea bagger on his tea bagging, not on the racist beliefs you assume are there, is what im trying to get at

[QUOTE=yawmwen;31412574]its more like an ideology than something organized. it ties together conservatives and libertarians with fiscal policy. in fact the tea parties often support republicans versus putting their own candidates up, and some republicans identify themselves and each other as tea baggers. i guess ideology is the wrong word to use, its more like a...strand of ideology. a common denominator among a lot of conservatives and libertarians that they feel is important enough to categorize and name[/quote] At this point they've more or less just been/become a faction of the Republican Party more than anything else. [QUOTE=yawmwen;31412574]attack a tea bagger on his tea bagging, not on the racist beliefs you assume are there, is what im trying to get at[/QUOTE] Right, attack them one a case-by-case basis, I get that, but it's ridiculous to deny that there are racist undertones to most of the Tea Party's social ideals.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31412641]At this point they've more or less just been/become a faction of the Republican Party more than anything else.[/quote] sort of, there are small differences but i dont wanna spend the next hour trying to articulate them. [quote]Right, attack them one a case-by-case basis, I get that, but it's ridiculous to deny that there are racist undertones to most of the Tea Party's social ideals.[/QUOTE] tea partiers are more likely to be conservative than anything else. a conservative is more likely to be racist or xenophobic. anyways i have a hard time articulating what im trying to say. basically i just think the tea party is more about economics and fiscal policy so thats what i tend to judge the movement for. its individual groups and politicians i judge for racist social ideals. but really i agree with you for the most part.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;31412873]sort of, there are small differences but i dont wanna spend the next hour trying to articulate them. tea partiers are more likely to be conservative than anything else. a conservative is more likely to be racist or xenophobic. anyways i have a hard time articulating what im trying to say. basically i just think the tea party is more about economics and fiscal policy so thats what i tend to judge the movement for. its individual groups and politicians i judge for racist social ideals. but really i agree with you for the most part.[/QUOTE] Fair enough.