[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;39000655]CPAP tubing ($5) + CPAP Mask ($50) + Helium Tank ($45) = easily obtainable items that cause painless death by asphyxiation in 5 minutes. do you hide your kitchen utensils as well?[/QUOTE]
lmao, i don't know about you but i don't often have a tank of helium lying around for a guy on suicide watch, nor how often a person on suicide watch will have enough time or effort to assemble a suicide machine
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39000678] Because people in your household are suicidal is a valid reason to get rid of a firearm.[/QUOTE]
Completely understood. Trunk and I are not arguing against that.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39000663]it isn't just to earn "a weeks worth of applause". these guys feel that by getting rid of guns they are actually helping to make their communities safer. they are trying to improve their world.[/QUOTE]
I understand that, and in my opinion it's a waste of time. I think a more valid pursuit that would actually help is firearms safety courses.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39000719]I understand that, and in my opinion it's a waste of time. I think a more valid pursuit that would actually help is firearms safety courses.[/QUOTE]
or an even more valid pursuit: a healthcare system that isn't the laughing stock of the western world
I was making a point it in relation to firearms, but ok.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39000732]I was making a point it in relation to firearms, but ok.[/QUOTE]
well we know what this buyback is fuelled by, and a functional, nationalised healthcare system would cut crime drastically. you'd see not only gun crime, but every other crime fall at an enjoyable rate; and all the gun nuts get to keep their tubes
with adequate mental care there would be far fewer shootings, and an overall happier society.
[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;39000655]CPAP tubing ($5) + CPAP Mask ($50) + Helium Tank ($45) = easily obtainable items that cause painless death by asphyxiation in 5 minutes. do you hide your kitchen utensils as well?[/QUOTE]
And a person can kill themselves by jumping off a bridge, what's your point?
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39000719]I understand that, and in my opinion it's a waste of time. I think a more valid pursuit that would actually help is firearms safety courses.[/QUOTE]
i think that is incredibly valid, as well as these buybacks, and a rehaul of our mental health culture. there isn't one solution. we should concentrate on doing whatever is effective/moral to minimize gun crime.
[QUOTE=GunFox;39000324]On that table alone there are at least four items which can never be replaced. They are no longer in production and haven't been for decades. They saw major world wars and are pieces of history that pose ultimately extremely little threat to basically anyone.
The rest of it, whatever. The joke is on the police. Melt them down and the gun industry will buy back the recycled cheap ingots and then proceed to sell more brand new guns and bolster their company further. The biggest issue a firearm company has to face is that their product will likely outlive their customer. Melt them down and that only helps them to make more guns with better profit margins. :D[/QUOTE]
someone who values the monetary value a gun holds over it's capacity and potential to kill people is likely to be apathetic when it comes to other social issues involving death
It's greatly disheartens me to know that the resources used to make these firearms is being wasted, and thrown into [I][B]fucking landfills[/B][/I].
The fact that most of these firearms could be auctioned on sites like GunBroker and GunsAmerica, and the funds and resources could be given back to California/Local Communities is also a major piss off.
Historical firearms or modern sporting rifles, these buy-back programs should be outright illegal if their primary purpose is to just destroy the firearms, and not auction them off for local economies.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;39000804]someone who values the monetary value a gun holds over it's capacity and potential to kill people is likely to be apathetic when it comes to other social issues involving death[/QUOTE]
Yeah because the ammo for historic firearms is so readily available...
[QUOTE=Tippmann357;39000816]Yeah because the ammo for historic firearms is so readily available...[/QUOTE]
contrary to popular belief, most guns in the US are not historic at all
[QUOTE=Ownederd;39000804]someone who values the monetary value a gun holds over it's capacity and potential to kill people is likely to be apathetic when it comes to other social issues involving death[/QUOTE]
Source? Or are you just speaking out of your ass.
[QUOTE=Tippmann357;39000816]Yeah because the ammo for historic firearms is so readily available...[/QUOTE]
as far as i'm concerned, the service sidearms for the german empire used 9mm, which is just about as common as coffee and sandwiches in gas stations
7.92×57mm is ready available to the civilian market
you can find mosin nagant's in excess anywhere
if you know gunsmithing p. well, you can make your own arquebus from scratch
what are you arguing
[QUOTE=Bobie;39000831]contrary to popular belief, most guns in the US are not historic at all[/QUOTE]
Except the M1 Garand, Colt model 604, MP 40, part of that STEN. If they're authentic, then they are very historic and valuable collectors items.
[QUOTE=Bobie;39000831]contrary to popular belief, most guns in the US are not historic at all[/QUOTE]
ur a brit what do you know? we all march around town toting m1 garands and mp40s!
[QUOTE=Bobie;39000831]contrary to popular belief, most guns in the US are not historic at all[/QUOTE]
I didn't say that. You should look at the quote I was responding to. He makes it sound like historic guns are going to be used in shootings and should be melted down regardless of what they're worth.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39000880]ur a brit what do you know? we all march around town toting m1 garands and mp40s![/QUOTE]
Nice job making yourself look like an ass. This achieved...what?
Oh yeah: Nothing.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39000891]Nice job making yourself look like an ass. This achieved...what?
Oh yeah: Nothing.[/QUOTE]
i'm sorry but you're complaining about people's posting habits but you're doing the same exact thing they're doing
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39000891]Nice job making yourself look like an ass. This achieved...what?
Oh yeah: Nothing.[/QUOTE]
sorry are guns with legit historical value actually a large fraction of total guns owned?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39000880]ur a brit what do you know? we all march around town toting m1 garands and mp40s![/QUOTE]
I wish, MP40s are sexy as fuck.
I would gladly take that MP 40, it's one of my favourite weapons ever.
I don't see the value in taking the legal guns from legal owners who don't use their guns for crimes. I doubt many of the guns that were bought back were illegal with serial numbers filed off.
This is maybe a public display to show people that measures are being made and to calm down the American populace but I don't see how doing buybacks does anything.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39000906]sorry are guns with legit historical value actually a large fraction of total guns owned?[/QUOTE]
No, and none of us said that. Now you're putting words in our mouths.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;39000909]I wish, MP40s are sexy as fuck.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/01/21/ati-mp-40-22lr/] ATI MP-40 in 22LR![/url]
It's a plinker, but hell I would still buy it.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;39000348]Also, apparently that's not even a spent AT4 casing, it's actually the mockup soldiers use for training. All it has is a 9mm barrel that fires a tracer.
[IMG]http://gunbuyback.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/thumb2_la-rocket-launcher-by-nick-ut-639.jpg[/IMG]
Upside down, in black, between the two black bands, it says "TRAINER"[/QUOTE]
Is this picture recent? I am sure I saw it MONTHS ago.
Edit:
Indeed I did, google tells me it was used in an article in May.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39000943]No, and none of us said that. Now you're putting words in our mouths.[/QUOTE]
no ownered was talking about guns in general then some other guy was talking about historical guns as if they were common and i'm just making fun of that.
i'm sad historical guns might end up destroyed, but they aren't the majority and the average person mentioning the buyback and what he thinks about guns isn't probably talking about the historical ones in the first place.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;39000858]as far as i'm concerned, the service sidearms for the german empire used 9mm, which is just about as common as coffee and sandwiches in gas stations
7.92×57mm is ready available to the civilian market
you can find mosin nagant's in excess anywhere
if you know gunsmithing p. well, you can make your own arquebus from scratch
what are you arguing[/QUOTE]
How often do you hear about vintage collectors going on rampages? Being a gunsmith and someone who does research about these things is different than some random person on the street who doesn't know the value of what they have.
[editline]28th December 2012[/editline]
Also, you have to have background knowledge about 8mm mauser before you just go around and shoot it.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;39000858]as far as i'm concerned, the service sidearms for the german empire used 9mm, which is just about as common as coffee and sandwiches in gas stations
7.92×57mm is ready available to the civilian market
you can find mosin nagant's in excess anywhere
if you know gunsmithing p. well, you can make your own arquebus from scratch
what are you arguing[/QUOTE]
The suggestion being that people are going to use a bunch of historic WWII firearms for crime?
With the exception of the 1911 and the revolvers (the Nagant in particular) pretty much all of the sidearms in WWII were inferior to modern handguns anyways. Better to buy a cheap modern gun.
Fully automatic weapons used in the commission of a crime are ridiculously rare and fully automatic weapons from WWII are even more rare to the point of basically being unheard of. Not a whole lot of reason to commit crimes when you could legally sell the gun and make several orders of magnitude more money than you are likely to get robbing a bank.
The rifles are basically no different than modern hunting rifles, except they are likely to be less wieldy and heavier.
Melting down historic firearms is sad and doesn't stop crime. It is just destroying history and costing taxpayers money.
[QUOTE=Jsm;39000956]Is this picture recent? I am sure I saw it MONTHS ago.
Edit:
Indeed I did, google tells me it was used in an article in May.[/QUOTE]
Fucking media
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