Fapping to porn linked to erectile dysfunction, because our brains our shortening erections for we c

[pr00ch]

Fap once a week, it'll feel amazing and is the healthiest.

[Griff]

Sadly, I already have erectile dysfunction.

[BackflipHatchet]

I wish I would have never read this

fuck

[yawmwen]

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35591966]Haven't that been established long time ago already?

Watching a lot of porn desensitizes you just like watching lots of gore movies or similar.
So to actually get properly aroused, you'll have to experience something more "sexy" than what you're used to.
If you watch softcore porn all day long for example, a sight of a naked girl might not arouse you anymore but anything more "extreme" will.

In the nutshell, it's all about moderation, really.[/QUOTE]

Is there any evidence for that? I mean, it isn't like someone starts out wanking to playboy pictures and eventually moves on to watching hardcore BDSM.

[eternalflamez]

[QUOTE=BackflipHatchetAttack;35592151]I wish I would have never read this

fuck[/QUOTE]

But then you would be oblivious of something you really should know?
In this case not knowing isn't better than knowing.

[Chrille]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35592179]Is there any evidence for that? I mean, it isn't like someone starts out wanking to playboy pictures and eventually moves on to watching hardcore BDSM.[/QUOTE]

It's the case for many people. You get used to it, and it turn it doesn't turn you on as much.

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

There's an entire website dedicated to this that I can't recall the name of

[yawmwen]

[QUOTE=Chrille;35592201]It's the case for many people. You get used to it, and it turn it doesn't turn you on as much.[/QUOTE]

You can't just say "It's the case for many people". Yea, it might happen sometimes, it might not. Is it an actual phenomena that's been documented?

I mean, sociologists and psychologists would eat that sort of shit up, if it's true there has to be scholarly sources on it.

[Chrille]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35592225]You can't just say "It's the case for many people". Yea, it might happen sometimes, it might not. Is it an actual phenomena that's been documented?

I mean, sociologists and psychologists would eat that sort of shit up, if it's true there has to be scholarly sources on it.[/QUOTE]

That was the exact reason I worded it like that. I've read many people complaining about it, but I don't know if there is anything specifying the reason or any of that shit. I just tell what I have experienced.

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

I wasn't trying to present you evidence, just offer my opinion on it

[Jack Trades]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35592179]I mean, it isn't like someone starts out wanking to playboy pictures and eventually moves on to watching hardcore BDSM.[/QUOTE]
It isn't? Are you sure about that? Have you ever known a porn addict?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35592179]Is there any evidence for that?[/QUOTE]
Countless scientific studies have been done on this topic, but I believe the best evidence for this is the way porn industry have evolved year after year.
All big porn companies state every year that they're going to produce movies with even more extreme content to satisfy their customers.
It's because the said customers get desensitized over time and require more stimulating imagery to get aroused.
I think the gore comparison is very fitting in this case. If you ever seen a picture of a mutilated corpse, it will probably shock and/or disgust you but if you see pictures like that often and a lot, they will cease shocking you. If you know someone who visits 4chan a lot, ask them about that. I have a friend who visit 4chan a lot and he confirmed that.

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35592225]You can't just say "It's the case for many people". Yea, it might happen sometimes, it might not. Is it an actual phenomena that's been documented?[/QUOTE]
"Desensitizing" is a real thing, look it up.

[Mlisen14]

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35591917]Notice how title says "fapping to [b]porn[/b]". So does it mean fapping to something else is ok?[/QUOTE]

Yes. You can fap to your imagination. Unless you have a ridiculously short attention span, you will probably imagine one fantasy.

The video is just saying you shouldn't scroll through a tab of 500 images of tits, because your dopamine is jacking up every time you get to the next one, which means it will start to decrease faster. If it decreases faster, without binging on images or women, you will lose your sexual excitement faster with a single sexual partner.

[yawmwen]

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35592320]It isn't? Are you sure about that? Have you ever known a porn addict?

Countless scientific studies have been done on this topic, but I believe the best evidence for this is the way porn industry have evolved year after year.
All big porn companies state every year that they're going to produce movies with even more extreme content to satisfy their customers.
It's because the said customers get desensitized over time and require more stimulating imagery to get aroused.
I think the gore comparison is very fitting in this case. If you ever seen a picture of a mutilated corpse, it will probably shock and/or disgust you but if you see pictures like that often and a lot, they will cease shocking you. If you know someone who visits 4chan a lot, ask them about that. I have a friend who visit 4chan a lot and he confirmed that.

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

"Desensitizing" is a real thing, look it up.[/QUOTE]

So nothing scientific, just assumption and hearsay?

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

Desensitizing is a real thing, but you haven't provided any evidence that it correlates with sexuality at all. Getting used to seeing a dead body is different than getting used to seeing hardcore rape scenes.

[Jack Trades]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35592439]So nothing scientific, just assumption and hearsay?[/QUOTE]

Try reading, it helps.

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35592320][I]Countless scientific studies have been done on this topic[/I], but I believe the best evidence for this is the way porn industry have evolved year after year.

[I]"Desensitizing" is a real thing, look it up.[/I][/QUOTE]

There was one recent study that talked about that. It was posted on SA long time ago but I'll try to find it again.

[yawmwen]

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35592464]Try reading, it helps.

There was one recent study that talked about that. I'll try to find it again.[/QUOTE]

So still nothing scientific except hearsay.

You can't just say "Science has been done on this"

Because then I can say "Well science has proven that the moon is made of cheese". Saying there [I]is[/I] evidence is not the same as [I]providing[/I] it.

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

And btw if you want anecdotal evidence then I disprove your hypothesis. I've watched porn for years and never got into anything hardcore. I watch the same porn I watched when I was 13.

[Van-man]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35592439]So nothing scientific, just assumption and hearsay?

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

Desensitizing is a real thing, but you haven't provided any evidence that it correlates with sexuality at all. Getting used to seeing a dead body is different than getting used to seeing hardcore rape scenes.[/QUOTE]

Desensitizing also includes porn.
it includes [B]EVERYTHING[/B], since when you get "satisfied" by masturbating (example), the brain releases rewarding chemicals.
But the erotic content needs to be more and more extreme (so to say) to trigger it.
Just like how hardcore drug addicts needs a bigger and/or stronger dose after the last one.

Google around, there's actually a couple of articles on the Internet about it, and i'd like you to debunk it.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35592475]And btw if you want anecdotal evidence then I disprove your hypothesis. I've watched porn for years and never got into anything hardcore. I watch the same porn I watched when I was 13.[/QUOTE]

Your experience =/= everybody else's experience
Just like how some people gets easier addicted to things than others.
Same can be said about how often they'd have to ramp up the dose in order to get the desired amount of satisfaction.

[AceOfDivine]

It kinda makes sense, if you get bored of something you go looking for something that excites you.
That's only relevant if something gets boring to you obviously.

[Jack Trades]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35592475]So still nothing scientific except hearsay.

You can't just say "Science has been done on this"

Because then I can say "Well science has proven that the moon is made of cheese". Saying there [I]is[/I] evidence is not the same as [I]providing[/I] it.[/QUOTE]

The fuck do you want me to say? You can't honestly expect me to perfectly quote everything ever said on that topic.

If you want to know more, then just google "porn desensitization", if you just want to argue then do that in some other thread.

[yawmwen]

[QUOTE=Van-man;35592535]Desensitizing also includes porn.
it includes [B]EVERYTHING[/B], since when you get "satisfied" by masturbating (example), the brain releases rewarding chemicals.
But the erotic content needs to be more and more extreme (so to say) to trigger it.
Just like how hardcore drug addicts needs a bigger and/or stronger dose after the last one.

Google around, there's actually a couple of articles on the Internet about it, and i'd like you to debunk it.[/QUOTE]

Still nothing scientific. Desensitizing does not include porn because it is not being used to a chemical or an image, but to an act. It's like saying that if you have sex with someone for 5 years you will want to start doing kinky shit with her. There are plenty of people who have "regular" sex their entire lives without doing anything especially "deviant".

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35592550]The fuck do you want me to say? You can't honestly expect me to perfectly quote everything ever said on that topic.

If you want to know more, then just google "porn desensitization", if you just want to argue then do that in some other thread.[/QUOTE]

If you don't have anything of substance to add to the discussion, maybe you're the one that should leave.

[Jack Trades]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35592558]Still nothing scientific. Desensitizing does not include porn because it is not being used to a chemical or an image, but to an act. It's like saying that if you have sex with someone for 5 years you will want to start doing kinky shit with her. There are plenty of people who have "regular" sex their entire lives without doing anything especially "deviant".

If you don't have anything of substance to add to the discussion, maybe you're the one that should leave.[/QUOTE]

Are you for real?

[Thaard]

I've almost stopped using porn when fappin'. I mostly use porn for inspiration, but during the act I use my imagination. 100 times better in terms of cummingness.

[yawmwen]

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35592587]Are you for real?[/QUOTE]

Yea, provide evidence or leave.

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

I mean if what you were saying was true, all old people would be the most sexually deviant people you could possibly meet.

[Jack Trades]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35592620]I mean if what you were saying was true, all old people would be the most sexually deviant people you could possibly meet.[/QUOTE]

Or, you know, they would stop doing the activity that doesn't stimulate them anymore.

Also, you forget that old people often have physical(hormonal) and mental health issues which conflict with their sexuality.

[VengfulSoldier]

I guess I'm an outlier because my sex drive never.fucking.shuts.down.

[psychomidget]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35592620]Yea, provide evidence or leave.

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

I mean if what you were saying was true, all old people would be the most sexually deviant people you could possibly meet.[/QUOTE]

First result on google scholar for "porn desensitization", a whole literature review [url]http://xuk.obu-investigators.com/porn/dangers/The%20Dangers%20of%20Pornography.htm[/url]

[yawmwen]

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35592671]Or, you know, they would stop doing the activity that doesn't stimulate them anymore.[/QUOTE]

Or, you know, you're just grasping at straws because you have no scientific evidence to back your asinine claims up.

I'll shut up if you find peer reviewed evidence, until then I'm convinced your just making as ass out of yourself.

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=psychomidget;35592678]First result on google scholar for "porn desensitization", a whole literature review [url]http://xuk.obu-investigators.com/porn/dangers/The%20Dangers%20of%20Pornography.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

K I'll read that brb.

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

lol took me 5 seconds.

Conclusion:
This paper has provided an overview of the limited effects - powerful effects debate about pornography. From this presentation, it should be clear that just like debates about television violence or the effect of the mass media in general, there are no clear answers. [b]As such, it would seem that the best conclusion one can reach about the effect of pornography is that it "does not serve as a necessary and sufficient cause of audience effects, but rather functions among and through a nexus of mediating factors and influences[/b] (Klapper, 1960)." Thus bringing us full circle, back to the limited effects conclusion that sparked pornography research in the first place.

[Jack Trades]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35592684]Or, you know, you're just grasping at straws because you have no scientific evidence to back your asinine claims up.

I'll shut up if you find peer reviewed evidence, until then I'm convinced your just making as ass out of yourself.[/QUOTE]

Great counter-argument. Projecting much?

[yawmwen]

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35592734]Great counter-argument. Projecting much?[/QUOTE]

yea bud you sure do know what your talking about that scientific education you got from the back of the wheaties box sure did help you out

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

what was the class called? oh yea, bullshit101

[Chrille]

[QUOTE=psychomidget;35592678]First result on google scholar for "porn desensitization", a whole literature review [url]http://xuk.obu-investigators.com/porn/dangers/The%20Dangers%20of%20Pornography.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

Well, that thing is from 2000, and AFAIK they weren't dealing with on-demand access to almost all porn in the world that we have now.

[Jack Trades]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35592750]yea bud you sure do know what your talking about that scientific education you got from the back of the wheaties box sure did help you out

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

what was the class called? oh yea, bullshit101[/QUOTE]

I might lack hard evidence since am unfortunately not capable of perfectly referencing every text I've ever read but unlike you, I am capable or providing valid arguments rather than referring to "lalala i know everything and you don't lalala" every post.

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=Chrille;35592777]Well, that thing is from 2000, and AFAIK they weren't dealing with on-demand access to almost all porn in the world that we have now.[/QUOTE]

Also, it barely touches the topic of desensitization and focuses more on analyzing the claims of anti-pornographic movements.

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

This article talks more about the desensitization itself more:
[url]http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/2010/09/brain_chemistry.html[/url]

[yawmwen]

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35592819]I might lack hard evidence since am unfortunately not capable of perfectly referencing every text I've ever read but unlike you, I am capable or providing valid arguments rather than referring to "lalala i know everything and you don't lalala" every post.

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

Also, it barely touches the topic of desensitization and focuses more on analyzing the claims of anti-pornographic movements.

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

This article talks more about the desensitization itself more:
[url]http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/2010/09/brain_chemistry.html[/url][/QUOTE]

You do know who Judith Reisman is, right?

She believes that homosexuals caused the holocaust. She is featured on WorldNetDaily, a very conservative publication.

I'm not going to say she is flatout wrong, but maybe take what she says with a grain of salt.

Also: I actually looked for scholarly reports. Besides the one that supports my claim(that was already posted a few posts back), I only found pamphlets and articles written through pornography addict support groups and churches.

[editline]16th April 2012[/editline]

When the only people who are supporting your viewpoint either:

A) Make money off the assertion
B) Believe it for religious reasons
or C) Believe it for political reasons

Maybe the viewpoint might not be grounded in fact.

[Chrille]

Alright, I'm at work so I can't read these fully myself, but I did a little searching:

[url]http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/201107/porn-induced-sexual-dysfunction-is-growing-problem[/url]

[url]http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20124181-71/research-web-porn-stops-men-from-performing/[/url]

[url]http://nymag.com/news/features/70976/[/url]