Millennials will fall further behind as wealth gap widens - Polidicks

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;52801260]Well you're right though. Stability is better. But the only way to achieve stability is equal distribution of wealth that has a stable value. The value going up or down is terrible for the economy in different respects. Unfortunately accumulation of wealth doesn't abide by the same laws as terminal velocity, for instance. There is no rate at which you stop having the ability to earn more money based on the amount of money your currently posses, its exponential. And thats one of the main reasons for this massive shift in wealth.[/quote] I think we gotta be ambivalent to some degree of inequality, I'm sorta scared of the idea of total equality, not because of the equality itself (that'd be ite) but the methods necessary to achieve it, it'd be vicious and terrible. I think inequality is always there, the scale of inequality is something we can change though. [quote] You don't have to be smart to be a multimillionaire, you just need a to be a millionaire. The first million is the hardest as they say.[/QUOTE] Agree with this 100%. Poor get poorer, rich get richer. UK has worse social mobility than pakistan

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52801269]Why not? More automation = less jobs and less pay = hangry workers = "oh shit time to change!" So more automation has to bring change either through evolution of current government or revolution and a new government. Once we reach a strong ai and the technological singularity then there'll be change too. (either extinction or near post scarcity where humans no longer have to work at all) edit in shorter term governments will identify widespread issues and make policy to get voters. The scale of that change is the question, if rich old people bribe politicians then those politicians are unlikely to deliver sufficient/wholesome change[/QUOTE] The way I see it the only shift automation will generate will be the types of jobs people will be trained for. More automation means less physical labor, less menial labor, more room for creative thinking. But yes an entire working class will be obliterated by redundancy. It'll just be up to the following generation to change the direction in which they focus their careers on. Government handouts due to this is bordering socialism and is completely opposite from the extreme embedding of capitalism in western culture.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52801280]Sure, more automation will create an atmosphere of desperation. But I don't believe the poor, desperate and hungry will be able to make any changes to the literal [B]trillions[/B] of dollars that these companies will have hoarded in tax free shelters and the like, and the power that that money affords them. I don't know if you can force change just through desperation when the people preventing you from doing that have resources bordering on "Limitless". I want to be hopeful, but I honestly think we're just on our way back to serfdoms and fiefdoms.[/QUOTE] Well if its not evolution of government then those hangry people will resort to revolution and if the rich don't concede, if they use their wealth to fight the revolution, then it will truely be hell on earth. The majority of human race subdued by an army of drone. Genuine dystopia. At that point I would advocate for any measure to dethrone the tyrants.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52801297]Well if its not evolution of government then those hangry people will resort to revolution and if the rich don't concede, if they use their wealth to fight the revolution, then it will truely be hell on earth. The majority of human race subdued by an army of drone. Genuine dystopia. At that point I would advocate for any measure to dethrone the tyrants.[/QUOTE] Imagine going to war as a citizen of the UK, with the monopoly of corporations that have more money than even the government does. Scary thought.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;52801282]The way I see it the only shift automation will generate will be the types of jobs people will be trained for. More automation means less physical labor, less menial labor, more room for creative thinking. But yes an entire working class will be obliterated by redundancy. It'll just be up to the following generation to change the direction in which they focus their careers on. Government handouts due to this is bordering socialism and is completely opposite from the extreme embedding of capitalism in western culture.[/QUOTE] The technological singularity though, computers capable of self improvement at some point becoming smarter, faster, cheaper and capable of learning and understand better than humans. Then there would be no reason for humans to work, apart from for our own psychological well being, rather like Marx's fantasy where a person can work one day as a shepard and the next as an inventor.

and, unless the Tories are outed in the next election, nothing will change. their track record, hell even their name suggests that this state of affairs is exactly the way they want it to be; exploit the young and poor for the benefit of the top percentile.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;52801302]Imagine going to war as a citizen of the UK, with the monopoly of corporations that have more money than even the government does. Scary thought.[/QUOTE] Really terrifying, outgunned. You wouldn't even be fighting other humans, just a distant drone launching a rocket at your village because there was an 60% risk of the people there rebelling.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52801308]Really terrifying, outgunned. You wouldn't even be fighting other humans, just a distant drone launching a rocket at your village because there was an 60% risk of the people there rebelling.[/QUOTE] Somewhere somebody has a white board with a flow chart outlining the route to this end result, i'm sure of it.

[QUOTE=Cabbage;52800980]What a shocker. We're going to see some significant drainage of young people from this country to countries where their degree isn't useless and rent isn't unsustainably expensive. I'm looking into Poland as an option. I know some of my friends are going to Scandinavia.[/QUOTE] Don't. Just don't. People are leaving this country for similiar reasons.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52801297]Well if its not evolution of government then those hangry people will resort to revolution and if the rich don't concede, if they use their wealth to fight the revolution, then it will truely be hell on earth. The majority of human race subdued by an army of drone. Genuine dystopia. At that point I would advocate for any measure to dethrone the tyrants.[/QUOTE] I think the chaos that will come from automation is going to breed a really bad atmoshpere of distrust for everyone. The media is where everyone turns to to get their idea of how the world is working, well the media is owned by those same trillionaires. There's going to come a point where the only answer is violence. And violence is something that I don't think the poor and hungry are going to be equipped for, nor do I think the rich would just allow that to happen. There will be military forces involved, either through private military contractors, or whatever else there is as options. I just don't see them rolling over to the mob. Nor do I think that will net us a better situation if we did manage to take their wealth back in a violent uprising as the chaos of the aftermath would be far worse than it was before.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52801333]I think the chaos that will come from automation is going to breed a really bad atmoshpere of distrust for everyone. The media is where everyone turns to to get their idea of how the world is working, well the media is owned by those same trillionaires. There's going to come a point where the only answer is violence. And violence is something that I don't think the poor and hungry are going to be equipped for, nor do I think the rich would just allow that to happen. There will be military forces involved, either through private military contractors, or whatever else there is as options. I just don't see them rolling over to the mob. Nor do I think that will net us a better situation if we did manage to take their wealth back in a violent uprising as the chaos of the aftermath would be far worse than it was before.[/QUOTE] we'll i'll admit I've gone off topic and sound like a madman. I envisaged it to be drones. (also this is worst case scenario stuff, in the op i outlined by belief that as millenials become more politically relevant governments will evolve to address our concerns)

I mean we can already see the distrust and hatred of mainstream, corporate owned media growing. This has given way to more niche varieties of journalism which in it's own right is just as, if not more outwardly biased than the main stream. Unfortunately the politcal climate is forcing everybody to pick a side. The main stream media has already won in that respect. I mean look what happened to VICE. They wen't from a reputable journalist source to a right fighting political puppet. Of course, in the name of profit.

its only a matter of time before millenials get fed up and vote in the most leftist socialist government this country has ever seen and then these wallstreet and backroom dealing billionares will get their shit tossed out of washington the problem is long term sustained progress can't be won by a single disruptive government, but that would require a much more bipartisan congress for much longer and much stricter campaign financing and advertising rules to effectively cap the size of campaigns

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52801436]Thats when you fight with unconventional warfare. The same tactics that are used in the ME are perfectly adaptable to any setting. Set traps, damage equipment, destroy targets of opportunity. Companies aren't governments, they must watch their bottom line, and if you start fucking their shit up they're going to reconsider.[/QUOTE] I was reading an article about self driving cars recently and I had an idea but first, context : Neural networks are used to teach weak ais how to do stuff. So rather than a Dev programming a car how to drive they might feed an ai a load of examples of good and bad driving. The ai then draws up patterna and behaviours to follow, constitution a model which is then tested and deployed. More context: Transport (especially trucks and taxis) is an industry which might be automated soon, it will take lots of jobs but also since drivers will just me baby sitters doing little just making sure it doesn't go nuts, the drivers will be more replaceable and thus paid less. So lots of angry unemployed drivers. More context: neural networks might have unintended patterns and behaviours, like when Google image recognition wrongly identified a person as a gorilla My idea These out of work drivers will find and share exploits in the model, paint new lines on roads, stage incidents forcing the cars to crash, change signs or try to damage vehicle sensors. These would be like modern day saboteurs, instead of jamming loom mechanisms they'll be trying to break trust in ai to ensure they have jobs. It'll be an arms race because manufacturers would regularly update models to close the exploits. No so profound now that I read it but perhaps it might be an interesting thing to someone

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;52801035]I nominate myself minister of agriculture and land management :v:[/QUOTE] I'll be the director of the state security recording systems, we have to know what every citizen is doing..

Honestly, I think this and automation will end up causing the collapse of humanity as a whole. But I am a pessimist so it's probably just me feeling there's no hope.

[QUOTE=nagachief;52801768]Honestly, I think this and automation will end up causing the collapse of humanity as a whole. But I am a pessimist so it's probably just me feeling there's no hope.[/QUOTE] We're in a strange transitional phase in terms of technology where it's advancing faster than governments can fix the issues it'll cause. Automation will cause widespread poverty through loss of jobs, nobody buys the things the automated machines produce and bam. If the governments react quick enough with a standard wage for everyone to prop up automation then you can negate the effects, but America is the last place you'll see the government giving out stipends to its citizens. America is building itself up to a bigger failure than Rome. Humanity in general [I]should[/I] progress relatively fine as long as we don't start firing missiles at each other any time soon.

[QUOTE=nagachief;52801768]Honestly, I think this and automation will end up causing the collapse of humanity as a whole. But I am a pessimist so it's probably just me feeling there's no hope.[/QUOTE] thats why you gotta wake up every morning and seize the day or at least try to enjoy the bus ride to work

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52801790]thats why you gotta wake up every morning and seize the day or at least try to enjoy the bus ride to work[/QUOTE] Abuse the current corporate boom and excessive economy to sell random shit that people don't need and just go live in the boonies living off the land.

[QUOTE=nagachief;52801768]Honestly, I think this and automation will end up causing the collapse of humanity as a whole. But I am a pessimist so it's probably just me feeling there's no hope.[/QUOTE] Na, automation isn't the death of humanity, it all depends on how we handle it as a species, it could very well elevate us, let us grow as a species, where we can do as we please with our lives, allowing us to focus on other pursuits. Or the people in power purposefully fuck it up so they retain everything and the rest of us get nothing, as is the usual M.O of the rich and powerful.

I'm lucky to have found a job right out of college and a way to live on the cheap, didn't realize it was this hard for other people

[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;52802129]I'm lucky to have found a job right out of college and a way to live on the cheap, didn't realize it was this hard for other people[/QUOTE] Flagdog might be broken again but this article is from the UK where rent in Manchester & London is around £600 upwards in Manchester and 800-1200 upwards in London (Zone 1-3). For a large amount of other countries it's relatively straightforward to find a job & cheap housing. I landed in Montreal and within 2 weeks I'd found it. I was paying upwards of £700 a month in St. Albans in the UK and earning £1200-£1400. It's stupid. Now I pay £350 a month and earn upwards of £2000.

[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;52802186]Flagdog might be broken again but this article is from the UK where rent in Manchester & London is around £600 upwards in Manchester and 800-1200 upwards in London (Zone 1-3). For a large amount of other countries it's relatively straightforward to find a job & cheap housing. I landed in Montreal and within 2 weeks I'd found it. I was paying upwards of £700 a month in St. Albans in the UK and earning £1200-£1400. It's stupid. Now I pay £350 a month and earn upwards of £2000.[/QUOTE] I'm currently studying in Montreal despite it probably being way easier to study in vancouver, closer to my family. A big part of that is cheaper rent.

[QUOTE=jonu67;52801835]Na, automation isn't the death of humanity, it all depends on how we handle it as a species, it could very well elevate us, let us grow as a species, where we can do as we please with our lives, allowing us to focus on other pursuits. Or the people in power purposefully fuck it up so they retain everything and the rest of us get nothing, as is the usual M.O of the rich and powerful.[/QUOTE] Maybe the government is the thing that should be automated

[QUOTE=Glaber;52801193]what we need is some Deflation. question is, how do we get economic deflation anywhere?[/QUOTE] Wow, what a fucking terrible idea. Take any basic economic course and they will tell you [i]any[/i] deflation is terrible for the economy. You can easily recover from most inflation crises, but deflation more often than not leads to a death spiral for a country's economy. [editline]20th October 2017[/editline] If there's anything that finally puts to rest that you have a clue about what comes out of your mouth, this is it.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;52802350]Maybe the government is the thing that should be automated[/QUOTE] Remember that any bias can be carried over to automation processes!

I'm still paying off my avacado toast.

Every decade that passes, the worse [I]everything[/I] seems to get, and the more selfish, greedy, and uncaring the elite class gets. I'm convinced that they're going to ensure nothing is done about climate change until catastrophe falls on us all. When the world can no longer support the vast impoverished workforce required to sustain their lifestyles, robotics will have just hit the threshold needed to render most of us redundant. Then they'll just wait until these combined factors run their course. We'll slowly wither and die while they prosper.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52803497]Don't worry. All people eventually face death, no amount of money will change that. All the billionaires, CEOs, lobbyists, they're all going to die just like the rest of us.[/QUOTE] Not once (expensive) modern medicine cures aging and death, then the rich can become immortal while the lifespans of the poor get shorter and shorter! :chem101:

Just bullshit your way into your career, just make sure u can do the job though.