Millennials will fall further behind as wealth gap widens - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sableye;52801431]its only a matter of time before millenials get fed up and vote in the most leftist socialist government this country has ever seen and then these wallstreet and backroom dealing billionares will get their shit tossed out of washington the problem is long term sustained progress can't be won by a single disruptive government, but that would require a much more bipartisan congress for much longer and much stricter campaign financing and advertising rules to effectively cap the size of campaigns[/QUOTE] same can be said on the other side, either way I cannot wait to live in a Fascist society left or right.

[QUOTE=IrishBandit;52803505]Not once (expensive) modern medicine cures aging and death, then the rich can become immortal while the lifespans of the poor get shorter and shorter! :chem101:[/QUOTE] It'll be a sad day for us poor folk when the wealthy elite fuck off into space to live on Elysium.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;52802350]Maybe the government is the thing that should be automated[/QUOTE] The government is all we have as we get poorer and poorer. We need to hold on to it and our democracy so that society adapts to these new enviroments in such ways that benefit all of us and not just some elite. What I'm afraid of apart from straight out war, is that society will get less and less democratic over time because of misinformation and lack of (source) critical thinking as the poorer get poorer, either going the way of corporations shadily getting more influence or nationalists getting into power. So yeah, engaging in politics, understanding the importance of the individual and it's role in a democratic society aswell as simply have empathy is going to be something people will have to get a lot better at.

[QUOTE=jonu67;52801835]Na, automation isn't the death of humanity, it all depends on how we handle it as a species, it could very well elevate us, let us grow as a species, where we can do as we please with our lives, allowing us to focus on other pursuits. Or the people in power purposefully fuck it up so they retain everything and the rest of us get nothing, as is the usual M.O of the rich and powerful.[/QUOTE] I expect food riots and left-wing terrorism. Unless attitudes make a complete 180 from what they are now and the rich start giving more than they're taking, I don't see anyone trying to answer the question of what to do when the working class have no work. Heck, I've seen plenty of people citing the industrial revolution and claiming that it'll resolve itself.

The fact that I know people back home in the UK who have jobs but because their rent is so high they have to rely on food banks to supplement their meals is disgusting.

If I'm being honest, it feels more and more like we are moving to a V for vendetta type future. And give it a few more years, decade at the most and i wouldn't be surprised if we have french revolution style uprising

[QUOTE=cartman;52803675]Just bullshit your way into your career, just make sure u can do the job though.[/QUOTE] You know I think this actually works for some

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52804479]I know a few people who worked their way into IT doing that. No one asked for credentials or qualifications, and they knew their shit.. so it never came up. One of em ended up fairly high up in the company before his ruse was discovered.. turns out the CEO didn't give a shit and neither did the board, so everything was kosher.[/QUOTE] I'm sorta like that. I didn't study software dev at college (highschool) or uni (college) but I'm now working as a webdev. I got sorta lucky though, found an unpaid "experience" thing (over half the employees were unpaid on the sly) and that, along with my hobbies, got me enough experience to actually be hired by a diff company. Only lie I told was that I was "on break" from uni. When in reality I failed miserably. Also that I knew java (for the unpaid job), I had dabbled but nothing serious. I spent 8 days seriously learning it and when I got there turns out the guy meant javascript. Landed on my feet there.

You know, for all the hate for automation, I am more afraid for a neo-luddite movement gaining traction to a point where further technological process would be slowed down incredibly, thus forcing us to suffer consequences of numerous problems that already begun to set in.

[QUOTE=cartman;52803675]Just bullshit your way into your career, just make sure u can do the job though.[/QUOTE] In my experience this only works in really low paid jobs where the structure of the company is borked to begin with. Ive bullshit myself into two jobs in my life time and both times the whole thing was either exploitative to the point I ended up worse off than before or just the complete organisational mess you would expect from a company you can still lie your way into. Anywhere that isn't going to be complete shit will want written references, phone numbers of all previous employers, sometimes even contact details of people who taught you, all the proper documentation at the interview stage (if you even make it that far) and they will often have a check online to see if they can pick up any of your social media activity before taking you on.

[QUOTE=gufu;52804594]You know, for all the hate for automation, I am more afraid for a neo-luddite movement gaining traction to a point where further technological process would be slowed down incredibly, thus forcing us to suffer consequences of numerous problems that already begun to set in.[/QUOTE] automation done nicely would be a tremendous boon to humanity automation done badly would be the cause for the neoluddites frankly I'd side with the neoluddites, if technology can't benefit all of humanity then we shouldn't have it at all. And by technology I don't mean printing press and car manufacture, I mean strong ai, transhumanism, nano shit

[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;52802186]Flagdog might be broken again but this article is from the UK where rent in Manchester & London is around £600 upwards in Manchester and 800-1200 upwards in London (Zone 1-3). For a large amount of other countries it's relatively straightforward to find a job & cheap housing. I landed in Montreal and within 2 weeks I'd found it. I was paying upwards of £700 a month in St. Albans in the UK and earning £1200-£1400. It's stupid. Now I pay £350 a month and earn upwards of £2000.[/QUOTE] It's the same in the Netherlands, 600 at the minimum to get an apartment where you don't share basic utilities, and it's the same across the country pretty much. At least we have a minimum wage that makes that affordable, but the rent for a starter apartment is insane compared to bigger ones if you compare what you get in return. You might pay 600 a month for 32 square meters, while for 1200 you can get 120 square meters. When you want to live anywhere close to the city centre you'll have to pay double. The cheapest places you can live start at around 450, but they're all very old and shitty insulated so not only can you hear your bottom, side, and top neighbours, you'll pay out the nose for your gas bill.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52801470]I mean that's an absolutely viable method of waging war on automation. Simply make the machines unable to do their jobs. Enough damage done would convince companies to reconsider, as eventually the cost of replacing the machine outweighs the benefit of automation.[/QUOTE] The government will just make tampering illegal instead of fix the issue.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52804479]I know a few people who worked their way into IT doing that. No one asked for credentials or qualifications, and they knew their shit.. so it never came up. One of em ended up fairly high up in the company before his ruse was discovered.. turns out the CEO didn't give a shit and neither did the board, so everything was kosher.[/QUOTE] A friend is getting paid 3k plus a month, with zero coding knowledge, and they are paying him while he is learning. [editline]22nd October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr Kotov;52803800]The fact that I know people back home in the UK who have jobs but because their rent is so high they have to rely on food banks to supplement their meals is disgusting.[/QUOTE] Just stay with parents to save on rent then?

I read an article today about Interning and the effect it's had on the career paths of those who use it and those who don't, and unpaid internships kind of harm the whole industry. The ones who can use them and live off of the bank of Mom and Pop create a unfair situation where those who can't rely on their parents have fewer options in to their career paths. It's not entirely related, but it's all connected. The young and the poor are going to have to do something before too long.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52805508]I read an article today about Interning and the effect it's had on the career paths of those who use it and those who don't, and unpaid internships kind of harm the whole industry. The ones who can use them and live off of the bank of Mom and Pop create a unfair situation where those who can't rely on their parents have fewer options in to their career paths. It's not entirely related, but it's all connected. The young and the poor are going to have to do something before too long.[/QUOTE] I thought the whole idea of a low paid/unpaid internship is that you get to learn the trades of the job for free, when it should be you paying the company to learn? Its always been seen as a free lesson? Internships are mostly for a duration of 6 months to 1 year, whereby the company will hire you after in most cases. Besides, its mostly used for grading in unis or polytechnics.

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;52805517]I thought the whole idea of a low paid/unpaid internship is that you get to learn the trades of the job for free, when it should be you paying the company to learn? Its always been seen as a free lesson? Internships are mostly for a duration of 6 months to 1 year, whereby the company will hire you after in most cases. Besides, its mostly used for grading in unis or polytechnics.[/QUOTE] No not really. There's a lot of myths about internships. Unless your internship is specifically set up with a university(And a lot aren't) it's not an academic one. Unpaid internships have to meet a series of criteria as to be actually considered a fair trade. A class action lawsuit in 2011 against Fox Searchlight showed that "Interns" were [B]literally[/B] just unpaid production assistants, and what they learned was entry level knowledge they would learn working the job getting paid. This isn't an uncommon occurrence it would seem, and having them exist leads to an unfair question of access.

Daily reminder that young people are only poor because they spend all their money on £10 coffees, designer clothes, and expensive german cars. Absolutely nothing to do with the average house price costing nearly 9 times the average salary, oh by the way i just financed a new german car so your rents going up. Can you also keep your shitty 15 year old french car off my drive?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52805531]No not really. There's a lot of myths about internships. Unless your internship is specifically set up with a university(And a lot aren't) it's not an academic one. Unpaid internships have to meet a series of criteria as to be actually considered a fair trade. A class action lawsuit in 2011 against Fox Searchlight showed that "Interns" were [B]literally[/B] just unpaid production assistants, and what they learned was entry level knowledge they would learn working the job getting paid. This isn't an uncommon occurrence it would seem, and having them exist leads to an unfair question of access.[/QUOTE] That's the creative/arts/culinary industry, its always been such that you ask the right questions and learn yourself on the job to push your skills up. Most of the time, people don't have the time to hold your hand through every stage, its tough, its hard, its fast paced, and it ain't like a 9 to 5 office job. Plus, make connections on the job, it'll help you land the job.

You can hope for UBI and more welfare all you want, it would probably make our lives a little bit easier, but consider that maybe these things are bandaid solutions that does not adress the root cause of the problem, which is capitalism itself.

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;52805539]That's the creative/arts/culinary industry, its always been such that you ask the right questions and learn yourself on the job to push your skills up. Most of the time, people don't have the time to hold your hand through every stage, its tough, its hard, its fast paced, and it ain't like a 9 to 5 office job. Plus, make connections on the job, it'll help you land the job.[/QUOTE] No. I'm sorry, but that's some pretty weak thinking right there. There were production assistants working for Fox Searchlight being paid the standard wage of a Production Assistant. There were also unpaid Interns, doing the same work. Not getting paid. That's not okay. They wont the lawsuit, so even the law agrees with me that your version of events here is exploitative and wrong. Which is my whole point. It's exploitative. Not normal.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52805634]There were production assistants working for Fox Searchlight being paid the standard wage of a Production Assistant. There were also unpaid Interns, doing the same work.[/QUOTE] Okay, you should had mention it earlier, now I agree.

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;52805658]Okay, you should had mention it earlier, now I agree.[/QUOTE] I did.

The Verdict on the future is in. Justice is an illusion, everything in life is meaningless, the working class is fucked and nothing will ever improve because of rich corporate monopolies that control everything. Did I miss anything?

[QUOTE=Cabbage;52800980]What a shocker. We're going to see some significant drainage of young people from this country to countries where their degree isn't useless and rent isn't unsustainably expensive. I'm looking into Poland as an option. I know some of my friends are going to Scandinavia.[/QUOTE] This is so weird, I've just moved from Poland to UK for almost the same reason :v: [editline]22nd October 2017[/editline] Although, to be fair, rent and food is cheaper and foreign degrees probably make a fairly good impression. I may consider going back to Poland once I'm done studying

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The poor will eat the rich. Give it a few more years.

Hmmmm... maybe wages... should be higher

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52809277]Hmmmm... maybe wages... should be higher[/QUOTE] obviously we need to tax the rich less so they have more money to give to millenials

[QUOTE=Killuah;52801005]It's not just the UK. Here in Germany we call ourselves "generation internship"[/QUOTE] We got doctors cutting hair and engineers doing production work in factories. Everything's going to shit.