Millennials will fall further behind as wealth gap widens - Polidicks

The idea that millenials are lazy is bullshit stereotyping to avoid the real actual problem that modern businessmen don't want to understand. Millenials aren't going out to restaurants, buying a bunch of cars, buying houses, buying fast food, or what jewelry, what have you, not because we are united in some grand scheme to stop supporting business but because we quite simply do not have the fucking money. This ain't a hard concept, and it's one that businessmen of the past understood. Pay your workers well so they can buy your things. We're more productive than past generations but we functionally get paid less. The problem is not Millenials, the problem is fuck ass rich people hoarding all the fucking money. I genuinely reckon rich people today are not interested in having a middle class. I don't really think things are going to be sustainable this way forever. It's not a system built to last. People are going to get fed up and things are going to get bloody before the century is over.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52809925]The idea that millenials are lazy is bullshit stereotyping to avoid the real actual problem that modern businessmen don't want to understand. Millenials aren't going out to restaurants, buying a bunch of cars, buying houses, buying fast food, or what jewelry, what have you, not because we are united in some grand scheme to stop supporting business but because we quite simply do not have the fucking money. This ain't a hard concept, and it's one that businessmen of the past understood. Pay your workers well so they can buy your things. We're more productive than past generations but we functionally get paid less. The problem is not Millenials, the problem is fuck ass rich people hoarding all the fucking money. I genuinely reckon rich people today are not interested in having a middle class. I don't really think things are going to be sustainable this way forever. It's not a system built to last. People are going to get fed up and things are going to get bloody before the century is over.[/QUOTE] And the few things that millenials ARE paying for out of necessity (rent, utilities/bills, groceries) are becoming more and more expensive, and pay hasn't gone up to match. The people who claim raising wages will just raise prices clearly haven't been paying attention at all, because [I]shit's already becoming more and more expensive despite no raise in wages[/I].

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52809925]The idea that millenials are lazy is bullshit stereotyping to avoid the real actual problem that modern businessmen don't want to understand. Millenials aren't going out to restaurants, buying a bunch of cars, buying houses, buying fast food, or what jewelry, what have you, not because we are united in some grand scheme to stop supporting business but because we quite simply do not have the fucking money. This ain't a hard concept, and it's one that businessmen of the past understood. Pay your workers well so they can buy your things. We're more productive than past generations but we functionally get paid less. The problem is not Millenials, the problem is fuck ass rich people hoarding all the fucking money. I genuinely reckon rich people today are not interested in having a middle class. I don't really think things are going to be sustainable this way forever. It's not a system built to last. People are going to get fed up and things are going to get bloody before the century is over.[/QUOTE] Never forget that there's literally trillions of dollars just sitting on off-shore accounts that aren't being taxed or used for anything productive. They're just sitting there, hoarded by people greedier than Scrooge McDuck could only dream of being himself. I seriously hope that we'll see some changes once our generation comes into power, because we sure as hell need something done to get out of this pseudo-medieval age.

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;52812397]Never forget that there's literally trillions of dollars just sitting on off-shore accounts that aren't being taxed or used for anything productive. They're just sitting there, hoarded by people greedier than Scrooge McDuck could only dream of being himself. I seriously hope that we'll see some changes once our generation comes into power, because we sure as hell need something done to get out of this pseudo-medieval age.[/QUOTE] There's nothing special about our generation. There are plenty of people in "our generation" that were raised by the previous generation, and indoctrinated into their line of thinking.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52812555]There's nothing special about our generation. There are plenty of people in "our generation" that were raised by the previous generation, and indoctrinated into their line of thinking.[/QUOTE] Of course there's some millennials who'd rather maintain the status quo, but I think most have come to realise just how much shit we're in, and not just because we're the first generation in history to be worse off than the previous generation. We also have climate change to deal with, and it's a fact that we're the last bastion - future generations will not be able to combat climate change the same we're capable of, [I]if we could actually get everyone to realise this.[/I]

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52812555]There's nothing special about our generation. There are plenty of people in "our generation" that were raised by the previous generation, and indoctrinated into their line of thinking.[/QUOTE] I think this is really important to remember. It's easy to forget when you spend a lot of time on facepunch with (fairly) similarly minded people, but there is no shortage of sheltered conservatives in every 'generation' that will consistently vote for and support the same policies and actions that have lead to such vast inequality in our society. This is actually part of the reason I dislike broad generalisations and lumping everyone together into generations. Generations is a really vague term to start with, and then you saddle all these individuals with group behaviours and stereotypes, completely ignoring that a 'millennial' born into a wealthy family will still be sheltered from [I]most[/I] of the hardships that the majority face, which then leads to them growing up with distorted views of reality where 'making money is easy' because you can just 'run a gmod server' or some other task that is only profitable when an individual is afforded the luxury of minimal costs, an easy home life, freedom from debt and an abundance of free time.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52804631]automation done nicely would be a tremendous boon to humanity automation done badly would be the cause for the neoluddites frankly I'd side with the neoluddites, if technology can't benefit all of humanity then we shouldn't have it at all. And by technology I don't mean printing press and car manufacture, I mean strong ai, transhumanism, nano shit[/QUOTE] The people who would lead such movements would aim to debase our civilization to as low as they can to claim power - they are going to be hardly any different from the current technological "leaders" - they wish to claim power, not benefit humanity as a whole.

[QUOTE=Menien Goneld;52812969]I think this is really important to remember. It's easy to forget when you spend a lot of time on facepunch with (fairly) similarly minded people, but there is no shortage of sheltered conservatives in every 'generation' that will consistently vote for and support the same policies and actions that have lead to such vast inequality in our society. This is actually part of the reason I dislike broad generalisations and lumping everyone together into generations. Generations is a really vague term to start with, and then you saddle all these individuals with group behaviours and stereotypes, completely ignoring that a 'millennial' born into a wealthy family will still be sheltered from [I]most[/I] of the hardships that the majority face, which then leads to them growing up with distorted views of reality where 'making money is easy' because you can just 'run a gmod server' or some other task that is only profitable when an individual is afforded the luxury of minimal costs, an easy home life, freedom from debt and an abundance of free time.[/QUOTE] A great example of this would be my little brother and myself. We both used to share similar values. I'll admit with no pride that I was once wary of "terrorist nations", thought homosexuality was gross, and had that whole "AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!" mentality regarding our armed forces and world-policing. But I grew out of that more than a decade ago. My little brother, on the other hand, had more or less stayed the same, even hanging out with holy-rollers that regard homosexuals as "sub-human" and believing that if you're poor and on social help programs, that you're lazy and just looking for hand-outs. Even going so far as to assume that taking in refugees is just asking for trouble. Hell, even going so far as to back such things as those Trans Bathroom Bills the GOP was trying to support. And fuck it, he even shared various memes on Facebook that [I]victim-blamed the woman who was killed in Charlottesville[/I]. So like I said, there's nothing "better" about "our generation". It's just as split as generations have always been.

[QUOTE=Sableye;52809414]obviously we need to tax the rich less so they have more money to give to millenials[/QUOTE] The number of people who legit believe this is retarded

I think this and automation will end up causing the collapse of humanity as a whole. But I am a pessimist so it's probably just me feeling there's no hope.

[QUOTE=pamelateria;52819477]I think this and automation will end up causing the collapse of humanity as a whole. But I am a pessimist so it's probably just me feeling there's no hope.[/QUOTE] Unless we have a standard living wage and eventually move away from currency in general

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;52805517]I thought the whole idea of a low paid/unpaid internship is that you get to learn the trades of the job for free, when it should be you paying the company to learn? Its always been seen as a free lesson? Internships are mostly for a duration of 6 months to 1 year, whereby the company will hire you after in most cases. Besides, its mostly used for grading in unis or polytechnics.[/QUOTE] Don't get me started about upaid internship. Half the time I've found out Universities don't even follow federal guidelines. Like for instance, I'm never gonna get to graduate because my department turned their internship program into an indepedent study and thus I have to pay for it. [I]I don't have the cash for that.[/I]

[QUOTE=SunsetTable;52819976]Don't get me started about upaid internship. Half the time I've found out Universities don't even follow federal guidelines. Like for instance, I'm never gonna get to graduate because my department turned their internship program into an indepedent study and thus I have to pay for it. [I]I don't have the cash for that.[/I][/QUOTE] So not only do you have to work an unpaid job, you have to pay to work an unpaid job? That's the most fucked up thing I've read today.

[QUOTE=SunsetTable;52819976]Don't get me started about upaid internship. Half the time I've found out Universities don't even follow federal guidelines. Like for instance, I'm never gonna get to graduate because my department turned their internship program into an indepedent study and thus I have to pay for it. [I]I don't have the cash for that.[/I][/QUOTE] Do you have to fulfil an internship requirement through them? Most internships are paid according to stats iirc.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52820434]Do you have to fulfil an internship requirement through them? Most internships are paid according to stats iirc.[/QUOTE] I have to otherwise I won't graduate. Though, at this point I've basically given up. I now work part time at a supermarket, working 38 to 40 hours. I haven't contacted the university in 2 years because I've completed everything else except the damn internship and I had one lined up but the rules and requirements were written so vaguely neither I nor the boss of a small Veterans association could make sense of it but the professor refused to speak directly to her. I'm also an out of stater student so they had nothing down where I live connections wise meaning I had to find this all on my own. I was essentially scammed out of 5,000 dollars of money my mom hid away to help jump start my retirement. [editline]25th October 2017[/editline] There's a reason why I think university is a scam, and that's because I was scammed.

[QUOTE=pamelateria;52819477]I think this and automation will end up causing the collapse of humanity as a whole. But I am a pessimist so it's probably just me feeling there's no hope.[/QUOTE] Whatever will be will be Best we can do is try to make the most of what we have and do our part to make the world a better place, if its fucked up coz a buncha other people did shit then it was out of our hands so no need to be sad

Honestly there’s no point in trying to make the world a better place, the rich will always win, the poor will always lose. Life gets infinitely worse the longer we live and nothing we can do will change that. Apathy, Nihilism, Pessimism, and Sarcasm are the only applicable philosophies in our times.

[QUOTE=Mr. Sarcastic;52821798]Honestly there’s no point in trying to make the world a better place, the rich will always win, the poor will always lose. Life gets infinitely worse the longer we live and nothing we can do will change that. Apathy, Nihilism, Pessimism, and Sarcasm are the only applicable philosophies in our times.[/QUOTE] There are places to be pessimistic, but you can at least be a voice yellimg out.

You've got to pray sometimes that there will be some big shake up. Some benevolent person in the right place at the right time to address this kind of thing. It's not going to happen though is it? At the moment we obsess over the wrong things, use the absolutely titanic wealth of constructive energy of the people to chase trivialities and win the most insignificant of victories. Whether you sit on the left or right, now isn't the time to belittle and attack one another, we're all in the same boat and there is a wave on the horizon that so many in power don't have to worry about. Because they aren't going to be here when that wave drowns everything. The last wave was the warning about the various problems facing the world. Instead of solving the problem those who are in power now simply steadied the ship and thought the job was done. There is so little forethought put into the future. Only balancing the books and avoiding controversy. The ship is still sinking and the only people who know it are the ones below decks trying to keep the damn thing afloat at their own expense. When people hear that people want to rock the boat again, no matter if there is a damned good reason to do, they say no. "I'm fine right where I am thanks". Calm seas do not last forever, who cares if the captain of this ship is lying through their teeth about how calm the sea will stay forever. When that storm comes and throws the ships on the rocks those people will be the first to point fingers and blame literallly anyone else but themselves. Worse than that, they'll kick and scrap to keep their perch from people trying to stay alive. Sometimes it doesn't feel as if there is going to be any future worth being in. Do we really have enough time to wait until someone washes out that ignorance in 10-15 years? When we talk about addressing the problems of the near-future, that's the result of people in the past not addressing the problems of the far future. The irresponsibility and greed of those who came before us. When people talk about the "young voters" they mean people who are in the shit now, people need to be educated about why they're in the shitty situation they are. It feels like most people where I live, who I grew up with, have all had to mature far too fast. They were raised in times of bounty and prosperity, so were their parents for the most part. The skills of grinding out a worthwhile life weren't ever taught to them, by schools or by parents. They've had to learn some hard truths themselves. Millennials weren't in charge of things when it all started going to shit. Now I look at the people who were and it feels like so much of the world's problems post-2008 or even earlier stink of incompetence at the highest levels. You don't pat yourself on the back for not sinking the ship by working half the crew to the bone, all while sat in your high chair with all the luxuries of life you sneak in when those people aren't paying attention. This turned into a much longer post than I expected. I couldn't help it, things like this get me so pissed off it hurts. [B]tldr;[/B] I'm mad about this, this could've been avoided if more people at the top of society had some basic sense of social responsibility and foresight.