Christian Pastor: ‘I Believe That the Government Should Use the Death Penalty’ on Homosexuals. And, - Polidicks

[QUOTE=yawmwen;41354227]yea but how many secular "i hate gays" organizations are there[/QUOTE] id say one could exist but only because certain non-secular organizations create the climate that would make it possible

Wow I hope this person never becomes an officer or something that involves higher power of sort, this is disgusting.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;41354227]yea but how many secular "i hate gays" organizations are there[/QUOTE] Organizations, I can name two. SecularRight, a conservative anti-religious organization who have stated an anti-homosexual agenda, and the American Red Cross, which is officially neutral, although it has heavy ties to Christian practices. The International Red Cross, which isn't closely affiliated with the American Red Cross, is also a nonreligious organization with officials who have stated a less-than-tolerant view on homosexuality. They exist, they're just not as common as religious "i hate gays" organizations. Don't get near the news coverage either. [editline]8th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;41354213]yes but that doesn't change the fact that some religions reaffirm these practices. for example id say the catholic church's stance on certain issues have been more than damaging. i would be willing to bet that a person who is raised in a religious family would have a far higher chance to be openly misogynistic or homophobic, if only because their religious beliefs affirmed and legitimized those beliefs ive taken more than one!!! [editline]7th July 2013[/editline] yeah but i mean its fairly easy to internalize religious beliefs even if you are really anti-theistic[/QUOTE] I agree with you completely, religions do often cause a "hammering in" of negative traits and behavioral models on subjects not aligned to their beliefs. But that in itself is more of a social quandary than a strictly-religious one, as can be seen in the often non-religious, misogynistic households of Midcentury America.

fucking matthew fox, what a prick

[QUOTE=woolio1;41354275]Organizations, I can name two. SecularRight, a conservative anti-religious organization who have stated an anti-homosexual agenda, and the American Red Cross, which is officially neutral, although it has heavy ties to Christian practices. The International Red Cross, which isn't closely affiliated with the American Red Cross, is also a nonreligious organization with officials who have stated a less-than-tolerant view on homosexuality. They exist, they're just not as common as religious "i hate gays" organizations. Don't get near the news coverage either.[/QUOTE] that's sorta my point. taking away the religion takes a lot of power from any homophobic rhetoric, because it no longer has any spiritual backing. there aren't a ton of large organizations that are both secular and advocate homophobia because not as many people take secular bigotry that seriously. what's more damaging, a dude who says he hates gay people because they are gross, or a guy who has a several thousand year old text that supposedly comes straight from an almighty, infallible source, and says gays are an abomination?

Try backpedaling from [I]this[/I] one

[QUOTE=woolio1;41354275] The International Red Cross, which isn't closely affiliated with the American Red Cross, is also a nonreligious organization with officials who have stated a less-than-tolerant view on homosexuality.[/QUOTE] im curious about this one, source?

Why does my religion have to have some of the most mentally fucked up people know to man. I just want to praise Jesus in peace without these assholes showing up and bashing homosexuals because they're "breaking God's law".

[QUOTE=T553412;41354350]Try backpedaling from [I]this[/I] one[/QUOTE] If that was directed at me: I'm not backpedaling. Instigate harder? If it wasn't: - To yawmwen: Again, when looking at any religion, you have to take into account the complex social doctrines of the time period in which it originated. You have to analyze, with painstaking detail, the beliefs and morals of the people who originated it. Furthermore, you have to contrast that all with our current time period, as detailed below. We really do live in a very interesting time period, and a very dynamic one. Our social and moral creeds now are very, very different from how they were a hundred, five hundred, a thousand years ago. They're also in a constant state of flux... Even looking at the relative microcosm that is the United States, it's been a largely "Christian" nation since very near its beginning. Now, however, we're seeing rapid shifts away, although it's thought that this is only due to a more vocal expression of something that was already occurring, from the religious background we once held. Accompanying these rapid shifts is an increasing alertness by the religious community that many of their beliefs are threatened by new social and political dogma, although the threat is mostly a self-originated idea caused by the juxtaposition of stated dogma. It's a crisis caused by a growing lack of faith in their faith, which leads into an outward expression of "clinging" to anything that is easily clung to... And what better than to cling to than something you had already believed on a personal level, but now can get some modicum of respect from a subset of the religious community by stating it? And so we see things like this. But I digress. To answer your question, I'd say it's directly tied into the power held by religious organizations as political machines, as without any sort of backing power, what's the difference between someone disagreeing with homosexuality on a personal level versus a religious level? Hate, then, is hate, but only if one is not an opinion held by someone with a position of power... As hate, when held by power, becomes powerful in itself, and that's where you start seeing problems. Your average streetcorner damner, with all the power in his soapbox, is largely ignored when compared to a multi-million dollar charity organization with ties to government officials and corporate entities. [editline]8th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;41354372]im curious about this one, source?[/QUOTE] Astrid Nøklebye Heiberg, President of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies from 1997-2001, was a Vice-Chairwoman of the Norwegian Conservative Party before her time as president of the ICRC. She expressed such viewpoints at certain times during her career. [editline]8th July 2013[/editline] And that's all I have time for today... Enjoy your evening, everyone.

[QUOTE=woolio1;41354491]If that was directed at me: I'm not backpedaling. Instigate harder? If it wasn't: - [/QUOTE] Nope, it wasn't directed to you. Otherwise, I would've replied to your comments.

[QUOTE=thisispain;41354111]not to be all r/athiest but how can you be so sure about that because i personally think that the homophobia and misogyny expressed by certain religions does have a huge impact on society[/QUOTE] if he's willing to deny human rights and have such horrible opinions etc and accept them as truth SO easily, do you really think it's because of the homophobic 3500 year old book? true, if it hadn't been for the teaching, his nature probably wouldn't have come to light but you can't say that kindling can only be lit from one source. besides that, he's using it as support so that he can further his own beliefs for his own ideals or goals. it's the easiest cop-out for those against gay rights, call the bible into play.

stop breath.

So wait, he says he doesn't let his wife boss him around, but then he admits he has to have sex with her whenever she wants?

[QUOTE=thisispain;41354213] yeah but i mean its fairly easy to internalize religious beliefs even if you are really anti-theistic[/QUOTE] idk I think homophobia comes from the "ew its different icky" mindset that causes other bigotries like racism and that it isn't specifically a religious belief religion just took the bigotry and used it as the stationery for writing tickets into heaven on

[QUOTE=Zeke129;41355574]idk I think homophobia comes from the "ew its different icky" mindset that causes other bigotries like racism and that it isn't specifically a religious belief religion just took the bigotry and used it as the stationery for writing tickets into heaven on[/QUOTE] they'll come up with any dumb excuse regardless of beliefs it's either against the bible or "unnatural" as some would say

frankly I'm amazed he even has a wife

[QUOTE=yawmwen;41353579]assholes are much easier to follow when they have supposedly divine scripture to justify it.[/QUOTE] Not really, a shitty justification is a shitty justification no matter the context.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;41354157]plus it likes one really amazing guy who has an affinity for extreme levels of both of those as well as fruit[/QUOTE] do you have any proof it still likes him?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;41355574]idk I think homophobia comes from the "ew its different icky" mindset that causes other bigotries like racism and that it isn't specifically a religious belief religion just took the bigotry and used it as the stationery for writing tickets into heaven on[/QUOTE] I think that's the best, most succinct summary of it I've heard.

[QUOTE=plunger435;41357599]Not really, a shitty justification is a shitty justification no matter the context.[/QUOTE] but to billions, divine scripture is not a "shitty justification"

[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;41354374]Why does my religion have to have some of the most mentally fucked up people know to man. I just want to praise Jesus in peace without these assholes showing up and bashing homosexuals because they're "breaking God's law".[/QUOTE] Technically they are. There's about a dozen different verses in the bible from many different chapters either saying that you should directly punish homosexuality, or you're going to hell for just being homosexual. Your religion also says - in the original scriptures mind you - that you should stone your child to death if he is disobedient. [editline]8th July 2013[/editline] Not to start a religious debate or anything, but it's there. Also, that particular quote is (I think) from Levictus. It's been a while since I've read my bible (King James is one of the more accurate ones, I prefer to use that).

When I still went to my private Catholic high school, I took a course in Scripture and we were taught that the Old Testament was basically God's old laws for the Jews after they... (tl;dr) broke the 10 Commandments too many times or such. The New Testament basically overwrites the Old Testament in many ways and tbh it seemed like they just picked and chose what to believe and what not to. Like for instance, I was taught homosexuality was not wrong in itself but to act on the urges was wrong. So basically, God MADE you gay but expected you to live a chaste life.

[QUOTE=Bobie;41353293]warning: stay away from the youtube comments its pretty much a rule of thumb with these kinds of videos but yeah you know the drill[/QUOTE] Fuck that I already posted something. Cause it is true, bigots like these are keeping humanity from a lot of things.

[QUOTE=Eeshton;41358803]So basically, God MADE you gay but expected you to live a chaste life.[/QUOTE] He gave us free will, it shouldn't expect us to do shit towards what it wants. >:I Then again this is the same superbeing that got pissy as all hell the first time and killed most of the human race because we didn't do what he wanted, so I wouldn't put such pettiness behind it.

[QUOTE=Levithan;41360394]He gave us free will, it shouldn't expect us to do shit towards what it wants. >:I Then again this is the same superbeing that got pissy as all hell the first time and killed most of the human race because we didn't do what he wanted, so I wouldn't put such pettiness behind it.[/QUOTE] The god of the Old Testament is a psychotic tyrant, which is ironically something that is quite incompatible with American ideals.

That's disgusting. Rape is rape, and terrible, no matter your relation to the victim.

[QUOTE=Eeshton;41358803]When I still went to my private Catholic high school, I took a course in Scripture and we were taught that the Old Testament was basically God's old laws for the Jews after they... (tl;dr) broke the 10 Commandments too many times or such. The New Testament basically overwrites the Old Testament in many ways and tbh it seemed like they just picked and chose what to believe and what not to. Like for instance, I was taught homosexuality was not wrong in itself but to act on the urges was wrong. So basically, God MADE you gay but expected you to live a chaste life.[/QUOTE] What your school taught you is a nicer way of looking at things (not that the New Testament isn't also filled with some horrible stuff) but it contradicts what the Bible actually says: “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB) "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB) So yeah, God didn't all of a sudden stop being an evil shit after Jesus was born.