Wikileaks: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mingebox;26520770]It was implied when you said, "no matter how dangerous."[/QUOTE] Personally Id love that information and the Wikileaks guys do have some but they definitely wont leak it and I dont blame them. If they do leak information like that though, then they will get into some nasty trouble.

I really don't see the point of "leaking" facilities that are "vital to US security". Why do I need to know about them? I personally feel that this was done as a sort of strong arm move as a means of intimidating those out to knock wikileaks out and even Assange himself. If they are willing to nonchalantly leak information like this, you can only imagine the stuff the more serious stuff they will throw out there as wikileaks takes more flak. Or maybe it was just a "coincidence" considering recent events...

[QUOTE=superdinoman;26520799]Personally Id love that information and the Wikileaks guys do have some but they definitely wont leak it and I dont blame them. If they do leak information like that though, then they will get into some nasty trouble.[/QUOTE] Why in the hell would you love that information? What would you do with it? Nothing.

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;26520076]It undoubtedly has. All foreign governments, organisations, individuals and anyone who wants to transmit information, good or bad, of a needfully confidential nature will certainly be thinking twice, thus hampering effective and truthful communication. I'm not saying Wikileaks doesn't have it's place - as I said, stuff like the Iraq Files are important documents which deserve to be revealed to the public. However, there are more consequences to unmitigated leaking than you'd first think.[/QUOTE] Not being able to lie = hampering truthful communication. Man are you smart. I'm not saying wikileaks is flawless, but I'll keep them rather than get rid of them so we can have everything we should be hearing about hidden from us.

WikiLeaks know's how to stick a foot in it.

Here's the thing: Wikileaks is just a news organization, that happens to be the first source that gets the news, and releases it all. I'm fairly sure that I've heard that they do censor information that could cause really big problems, but the vast majority of it goes unpolluted so as to properly show it off. I fully support Wikileaks, and anyone against them in the US clearly doesn't understand safe harbor and the first amendment.

I could see partial sense in previously leaked documents, but this stuff doesn't interest the American people at all. [QUOTE=nicatronTg;26521686]Here's the thing: Wikileaks is just a news organization, that happens to be the first source that gets the news, and releases it all. I'm fairly sure that I've heard that they do censor information that could cause really big problems, but the vast majority of it goes unpolluted so as to properly show it off. I fully support Wikileaks, and anyone against them in the US clearly doesn't understand safe harbor and the first amendment.[/QUOTE] They have a right to do it, but we can still bitch about their incompetence. I would also hate to use my first amendment rights in most cases if it meant threatening national security. We should use our rights for good.

Looking at this, I want to know what the insurance file is

[QUOTE=iPat;26520131]What are you talking about? I responded with a question for you... Ignorance is bliss, yeah. I mean, I enjoy the spirit and idea of "fuck the government" mentality as much as the next 18 year old (I mean, look at my avatar). But when it really comes down to it, Wikileaks is only increasing tension for the sake of increasing tension. Thinking this information is interesting doesn't warrant its release. I really don't think anything is going to come of any of it, but the fact that now people are going to dislike the current government more for continuing practices that have been standard fare, and become knowledgeable of information trivial for them but potentially dangerous in the wrong hands bothers me.[/QUOTE] It ruined your trust by making them accountable and visible. Yeah, the US government isn't to be trusted in the first place, but you're still... I won't even try to explain away what can only truly be naiveit

[QUOTE=nicatronTg;26521686]anyone against them in the US clearly doesn't understand safe harbor and the first amendment.[/QUOTE] Blanket support, blanket statement.

I don't see why people see this as going too far. Wikileaks is treating each leak equally. They have no right to discriminate against certain leaks when the policy on their site states that they'll leak anything and everything. Besides, look at the purpose for which this list was created: defense. Now those facilities are going to probably strengthen their standards like they should have in the first place. Plus, it's not like terrorists didn't know this stuff already. It's not too hard to track shipments and find the most critical US supply lines.

Eh, read through 'em, about the most "important" are "Ontario Waneta Dam, British Columbia: Earthfill/concrete hydropower dam Darlington Nuclear Power Plant", "Nadym Gas Pipeline Junction: The most critical gas facility in the world" and "Hydro Quebec, Quebec: Critical irreplaceable source of power to portions of Northeast U. S."

[QUOTE=Explosions;26518389]The only people interested in this information would be terrorists and enemy nations. Great job Wikileaks. :downsbravo:[/QUOTE] THIS is why I was against wikileaks. Fuck you, whoever gave me dumbs in the other thread.

Well you either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;26521671]Not being able to lie = hampering truthful communication. Man are you smart. I'm not saying wikileaks is flawless, but I'll keep them rather than get rid of them so we can have everything we should be hearing about hidden from us.[/QUOTE] Correct, champ. Now correspondants may not feel they are able to send their true opinion on a subject, lest they be exposed and demonised in public - e.g. the Saudi Arabian "cut the head off the snake", and even Kevin Rudd's "be prepared to use military force". These are major examples, but there are plenty of minor cases. Thus, truthful communication is hampered. Do you really not understand that principle? Do you honestly think that every single thing should be completely transparent? But come on, just think about it. You've already claimed understanding before that government has a needful right to privacy, and not everything should be completely transparent - have you changed your mind? And while you're at it, cease with the moronic personal attacks. I don't know whether you get your rocks off through belittling others, but it makes you look like a prize wanker. E: Seriously, you DO NOT need to choose between complete, unbarred transparency and complete opaqueness.

after hearing about the DDoS and Cyber attacks, I'm guessing this is nothing more then a revenge against those attacks... Sometimes, I wonder what Assange is really thinking... something just don't fit right...

[QUOTE=Explosions;26518389]The only people interested in this information would be terrorists and enemy nations. Great job Wikileaks. :downsbravo:[/QUOTE] So I'm a terrorist? :raisebrow:

Okay, Assange has been a guy I begrudgingly respected. Showing corruption, dirty-dealings and war-crimes; all worthy stuff. But this...? Exposing apparently CRUCIAL facilities that keep the nation, and sectors of the world, running smoothly? This had no possible purpose for good. Even if the guy had intentions of inciting a coup in the US, now he's opened it's PEOPLE up to America's enemies. Forget terrorists, what if Russia has been backsliding? What if anyone wanted to SERIOUSLY fuck us up? Now, the facilities are probably under proper guard, but what about these pipelines and communication hubs? With this, I officially hope this guy's ass is hauled in. Little Joey's been playing rough ball with his friends, but now he's broken a window. I do NOT want to see the day where one misguided asshole managed to fully take down the United States.

[QUOTE=Jsm;26519800]Have you actually read this thread, the article, or the cable? These are not vulnerabilities these are things that [b]diplomats[/b] feel are important to the US government in the country they are in. (Note DIPLOMATS, not the US government)[/QUOTE] And about the most "important" are "Ontario Waneta Dam, British Columbia: Earthfill/concrete hydropower dam Darlington Nuclear Power Plant", "Nadym Gas Pipeline Junction: The most critical gas facility in the world" and "Hydro Quebec, Quebec: Critical irreplaceable source of power to portions of Northeast U. S." from what I read through it. Fuck, I'm going down the shithole again. Fucking mornings. I apologize for my [del]bad[/del] awful arguments.

Even going with the fact that these were publicly available (or so it's been said) and nothing would really come from them being released... why release them? There's literally no positive result from releasing these kinds of things in the leak. How about we keep it to important shit like the UN spying and not something petty and worthless like inter-diplomat banter or resource lists?

It's not a big deal, but still pretty pointless information.

Holy fucking shit.

How again is this information is vital to the public interest?

[QUOTE=nicatronTg;26521686]Here's the thing: Wikileaks is just a news organization, that happens to be the first source that gets the news, and releases it all. I'm fairly sure that I've heard that they do censor information that could cause really big problems, but the vast majority of it goes unpolluted so as to properly show it off. I fully support Wikileaks, and anyone against them in the US clearly doesn't understand safe harbor and the first amendment.[/QUOTE] I think the censoring is being done by their "media partners" who have the knowledge (from publishing other leaked documents I assume) of what needs to be removed.

Wow, Assange is being a shitstain on the world again, big surprise Seriously what the actual fuck

An insulin factory? Going a bit too far, wikileaks.

[QUOTE=animephreak135;26527186]An insulin factory? Going a bit too far, wikileaks.[/QUOTE] I am pretty sure people knew exactly where it was before Wikileaks told people which city it is in.

Called it. I knew they would take it too far. They should have stopped while they could. Tomorrow's headline: [b]Assange Disappears. Wikileaks Shut Down[/b]

Another useless leak, with information on facilities that most people knew about, and it still caused a shit storm. Never change, world, never change.

[QUOTE=J0E_SpRaY;26527345]Called it. I knew they would take it too far. They should have stopped while they could. Tomorrow's headline: [b]Assange Disappears. Wikileaks Shut Down[/b][/QUOTE] How have they taken it too far? Has a lot of people have pointed out in this thread this info is useless and not new at all. Also, perhaps if the media hadn't hyped this up it would have been better, perhaps it should have gone out under the headline "A peek into the secret communications of diplomats" and people would not be moaning.