[QUOTE=KarlHeinrichMarx;17564225]Haha, the issue of pedophiles having kids isn't that their kids will be pedophiles.
Think of it this way, pedophile + children = not a good combo anyways. Why would you want them to have a kid, who they are sexually attracted to.[/QUOTE]
pedophiles + Children = Joseph Fritzl.
[QUOTE=dryer-lint;17563377]But then how do you define a child? Even the states in the U.S. can't agree on an age.[/QUOTE]
i'm talking legally
just an fyi
This is complete invasion of a their human rights.
If anyone is a animal that doesn't deserve rights it's the bigots who want to violently torture all criminals.
So they cant get an erection. Does that mean you cant still rape children? Use your imagination.
[QUOTE=GhostSonic;17563169]So, all it does it lower your sexual urges and such? Seems fair enough.[/QUOTE]
It's not as bad as real castration, but it's still horrible. Who is the government to decide what are "bad" feelings/ thoughts, and then force you to have a medical procedure to force your brain to not have these "bad" thoughts?
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17570102]It's not as bad as real castration, but it's still horrible. Who is the government to decide what are "bad" feelings/ thoughts, and then force you to have a medical procedure to force your brain to not have these "bad" thoughts?[/QUOTE]
By that logic, we shouldn't medicate schizophrenic or psychotic people.
[QUOTE=lmaoboat;17570234]By that logic, we shouldn't medicate schizophrenic or psychotic people.[/QUOTE]
I don't think we should medicate them forcibly either. Although seeing dragons eat people as you walk around isn't really the same thing as a pan-human experience like arousal, even if it is for children.
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17570462]I don't think we should medicate them forcibly either. Although seeing dragons eat people as you walk around isn't really the same thing as a pan-human experience like arousal, even if it is for children.[/QUOTE]
So if denying someone the ability to get turned on by things is bad, you must hate the idea of prison, because you're denied far more freedoms there. They decide when you eat, bathe, and sleep. Hell, lets get rid of laws all together, because getting tortured by a killer is one thing, but getting denied a freedom is unacceptable.
[QUOTE=lmaoboat;17574074]So if denying someone the ability to get turned on by things is bad, you must hate the idea of prison, because you're denied far more freedoms there. They decide when you eat, bathe, and sleep. Hell, lets get rid of laws all together, because getting tortured by a killer is one thing, but getting denied a freedom is unacceptable.[/QUOTE]
I don't think the controlling a person's mind is comparable to controlling their body.
And a criminal torturing someone and a criminal having his mind tampered with are too completely different processes, you are trying to cross them because you have backwards ideas about justice. One injustice does not justify another.
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17574213]I don't think the controlling a person's mind is comparable to controlling their body.
And a criminal torturing someone and a criminal having his mind tampered with are too completely different processes, you are trying to cross them because you have backwards ideas about justice. One injustice does not justify another.[/QUOTE]
Chemical castration isn't an "injustice," you just have some irrational belief that being medicated for the urges that caused you to harm others torture, and loosing all your freedom in prison isn't simply because one affects the body and one affects the mind.
Living in Poland ftw.
Need to use TV more often.
[QUOTE=lmaoboat;17574614]Chemical castration isn't an "injustice," you just have some irrational belief that being medicated for the urges that caused you to harm others torture, and loosing all your freedom in prison isn't simply because one affects the body and one affects the mind.[/QUOTE]
I can't argue with you if you are just going to argue for the sake of arguing.
Of course there's a difference between shackling ones hands and shackling ones mind. Would you support the government if they decided to medicate us for our emotions, to preempt people from engaging in domestic violence?
Let me ask you a more important question. What's the point of life if you believe that it's just about surviving? Because anyone who's okay with editing theirs or anyone else's thought processes with drugs can't possibly have any understanding of life as a adventure with struggle and difficulty.
There is no such thing as wrong or right thoughts, and to say that there is, is to deny life.
If you don't come up with an intelligent reply that shows an amalgam of logic, and is not just a monotonous attempt to hold up backwards moral distinctions that most likely found their way into your head from some church of another, I am quite literally not going to reply. I perfectly willing to carry on a debate, but I won't repeat myself while you ignore the fact that your point undefendable.
Stop arguing for these people. THEY RAPE CHILDREN. [/thread]
[QUOTE=BobbyDigital;17578711]Stop arguing for these people. THEY RAPE CHILDREN. [/thread][/QUOTE]
:sigh:
"Stop arguing for these people. THEY HAVE SEX OUT OF WEDLOCK."
"Stop arguing for these people. THEY'RE BLACK."
"Stop arguing for these people. THEY'RE IMMIGRANTS."
"Stop arguing for these people. THEY'RE COMMUNISTS."
"Stop arguing for these people. THEY'RE JEWS."
"Stop arguing for these people. THEY'RE PEASANTS."
"Stop arguing for these people. THEY'RE MUSLIMS."
"Stop arguing for these people. THEY'RE ATHEISTS."
And the punchline; when you call out a bigot, they say "That's completely different, I'm ok with xxxx, but this is yyyy, and it's just immoral, and for that reason, these people are animals and deserve to be slaughtered."
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17578803]:sigh:
"Stop arguing for these people. THEY HAVE SEX OUT OF WEDLOCK."
"Stop arguing for these people. THEY'RE BLACK."
"Stop arguing for these people. THEY'RE IMMIGRANTS."
"Stop arguing for these people. THEY'RE COMMUNISTS."
"Stop arguing for these people. THEY'RE JEWS."
"Stop arguing for these people. THEY'RE PEASANTS."
"Stop arguing for these people. THEY'RE MUSLIMS."
"Stop arguing for these people. THEY'RE ATHEISTS."
And the punchline; when you call out a bigot, they say "That's completely different, I'm ok with xxxx, but this is yyyy, and it's just immoral, and for that reason, these people are animals and deserve to be slaughtered."[/QUOTE]
So you think having sex with children is just as morally justifiable as being an atheist? Just making sure I'm understanding you correctly.
You know what, I'm beating a dead horse here, no matter how many times I say it, no matter how well I lay it out, no matter how logical it is, no one will 1) counter it logically, or 2) learn from it.
Humans are predjudiced, illogical, stupid, and bigoted through and fucking through, I'm done arguing.
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You broke my automerge
Good thinking. We're all idiots who do not see the justification for raping children. I just wish I wasn't this ignorant! Oh well, I guess we can't all be as smart as you.
[QUOTE=BobbyDigital;17578842]So you think having sex with children is just as morally justifiable as being an atheist? Just making sure I'm understanding you correctly.[/QUOTE]
[B]MORALITY IS NOT REAL[/B]
I'm not saying go rape a kid, you probably feel terrible about it, plus I [B]would[/B] support the government locking you up for societies protection.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN CRIMINALS ARE THE SCUM OF THE EARTH AND SHOULD BE BURNED ALIVE.
Logically, they are no different than you or me. They could just as easily invent their own rules and say you are the evil prick who doesn't follow their rules.
They are different from you and me. I don't rape kids or murder people.
If you are ok with taking away one's right to freedom, why be so upset over taking away their sex drive by taking a pill with no permanent effects?
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[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17578888][B]MORALITY IS NOT REAL[/B].[/QUOTE]
And yet you're arguing that it is morally wrong to castrate these people.
[QUOTE=BobbyDigital;17578904]They are different from you and me. I don't rape kids or murder people.
If you are ok with taking away one's right to freedom, why be so upset over taking away their sex drive by taking a pill with no permanent effects?[/QUOTE]
Because the mind is the only possible meaning to life, reprogramming it nullifies any possible meaning.
Or simply the fact that it's completely unnecessary and an abuse of government power and is only being used because the guy in power thinks pedophiles "aint got no humanity".
You know what, I just realized the absurdity of having to argue that there is something wrong with government mind control. Does no one have any respect for the human mind? Ever read about Thoreau? He refused to pay a tax to the government and willingly went to jail for it. He said something along the lines of that they could imprison his body, but never his mind. Well so much for that, I guess.
Let me turn the tables on you for a second. If a young earth christian came up to you and said thaty anyone who didn't accept jesus as their saviour was a animal and that the government should have them all executed, how would you argue?
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17578684]I can't argue with you if you are just going to argue for the sake of arguing.
Of course there's a difference between shackling ones hands and shackling ones mind. Would you support the government if they decided to medicate us for our emotions, to preempt people from engaging in domestic violence?
Let me ask you a more important question. What's the point of life if you believe that it's just about surviving? Because anyone who's okay with editing theirs or anyone else's thought processes with drugs can't possibly have any understanding of life as a adventure with struggle and difficulty.
There is no such thing as wrong or right thoughts, and to say that there is, is to deny life.
If you don't come up with an intelligent reply that shows an amalgam of logic, and is not just a monotonous attempt to hold up backwards moral distinctions that most likely found their way into your head from some church of another, I am quite literally not going to reply. I perfectly willing to carry on a debate, but I won't repeat myself while you ignore the fact that your point undefendable.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between "bad thoughts" and mental illness that causes people to rape and kill, so quit trying to link medication to thought police. People who rape or kill because of a mental illness can be easily helped through medication so that they can live normal lives without raping the neighbors kids. What's hilarious is you lecture me on life being more than just survival when prison is the epitome of such. Should we simply have no prison then? I'd much rather live on the outside with no sex drive than live in prison where someone else decides when I eat, drink, and sleep. Treating people is also far more effective than locking them up. Perhaps you should come up with a rational argument and a purely sentimental one?
[QUOTE=BobbyDigital;17578904]And yet you're arguing that it is morally wrong to castrate these people.[/QUOTE]
No, see, that's where you're wrong, I said that this is an abuse of government power, and the anyone who agrees with it is being illogical.
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17579014]Because the mind is the only possible meaning to life, reprogramming it nullifies any possible meaning.
Or simply the fact that it's completely unnecessary and an abuse of government power and is only being used because the guy in power thinks pedophiles "aint got no humanity".
You know what, I just realized the absurdity of having to argue that there is something wrong with government mind control. Does no one have any respect for the human mind? Ever read about Thoreau? He refused to pay a tax to the government and willingly went to jail for it. He said something along the lines of that they could imprison his body, but never his mind. Well so much for that, I guess.
Let me turn the tables on you for a second. If a young earth christian came up to you and said thaty anyone who didn't accept jesus as their saviour was a animal and that the government should have them all executed, how would you argue?[/QUOTE]
I would argue that not believing in christ isn't hurting anyone.
This chemical treatment is a great idea for dealing with [b]proper[/b] pedos. If that sick fuck Dennis Ferguson here in Aus had this done then perhaps people would feel less threatened, and stop giving him death threats constantly and there would be a few less lynch mobs.
The only reason I care about his safety is that it would get that asshole off the news. By god I am sick of hearing about him.
Just as a sidenote, rya. I'm done debating with you. You said morality does not exist and you continue arguing that it is morally wrong to "imprison the mind". You keep using double standards to help your failing argument.
In a world without morality, like yours there is only logic. Logically there is nothing wrong with government control of pedophiles.
In a moral world you could argue that it is wrong or right, true. I would think that arguing for the first is silly, since this isn't hurting anyone's mind. This isn't brain control. This is penis control. If it helps stop even ONE CHILD from being raped, isn't that worth the price?
I'm sure to your mind it's not. But I chose not to try and convince you as you won't listen and probably again argue some sort of double standard.
[QUOTE=lmaoboat;17579019]There's a difference between "bad thoughts" and mental illness that causes people to rape and kill, so quit trying to link medication to thought police. People who rape or kill because of a mental illness can be easily helped through medication so that they can live normal lives without raping the neighbors kids. What's hilarious is you lecture me on life being more than just survival when prison is the epitome of such. Should we simply have no prison then? I'd much rather live on the outside with no sex drive than live in prison where someone else decides when I eat, drink, and sleep. Treating people is also far more effective than locking them up. Perhaps you should come up with a rational argument and a purely sentimental one?[/QUOTE]
You keep acting like this is a choice. If it was a choice, which it normally is, I wouldn't have a problem with it. You say they are "helping people" to live a "normal life". They are forcing them to take medication that changes how they think.
And once again, big fucking surprise, you fall back on your ideas of normality. "here's a difference between "bad thoughts" and mental illness". You are completely wrong. I'm not however saying that, medically speaking, there isn't such a thing as a mental illness, I'm saying it's up to the individual to decide what is normal or not normal.
Finally, setting makes no difference, no amount of concrete can lock up a mind, someone who is truly alive will continue to thrivve while in jail. Someone who is already dead will choose medication.
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[QUOTE=BobbyDigital;17579041]I would argue that not believing in christ isn't hurting anyone.[/QUOTE]
And they would say that if you don't believe in christ you are going to hell, so they must save you or stop you from spreading your "misery". Which also refers to the belief many christians have, which is that anyone who does not believe in god is unhappy and will engage in self destruction.
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17579086]They are forcing them to take medication that changes how they think. [/QUOTE]
This is again a side note. When you take high school biology class, you'll learn that this isn't changing the mental processes of the brain. It is putting a halt on the production of testosterone and sexual drive hormones. Those slow glands located in the testes. The endocrine system is in no way helping your mind "think"
[QUOTE=BobbyDigital;17579079]Just as a sidenote, rya. I'm done debating with you.
*words*[/QUOTE]
There is no double standard, people set up the government based on their interests in terms of safety with regard to freedom, and the government obliges, there is no morality in this argument.
[editline]10:45PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=BobbyDigital;17579119]This is again a side note. When you take high school biology class, you'll learn that this isn't changing the mental processes of the brain. It is putting a halt on the production of testosterone and sexual drive hormones. Those slow glands located in the testes. The endocrine system is in no way helping your mind "think"[/QUOTE]
If something effects your decision making, it is a mind altering drug, it doesn't matter what category it falls into in biological chemistry.
[QUOTE=Faren;17544837]:hitler:[/QUOTE]
So you totally think pedophiles are human. Sicko. <-------------For idiots this is sarcasm.
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[QUOTE=MS-DOS4;17544522]Oh how dumb. Might as well cut any criminals balls off if your going to do stupid shit like that.[/QUOTE]
They deserve it.
What about Women Pedophiles.
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