Trump to sign orders reviving pipeline projects, sources say - Polidicks

Orders were signed by the President, Keystone XL is going ahead with construction!

obama lowered the deficit so dramatically from $1.1 trillion to $500 billion which means... THE COUNTRY STILL OWES $500 BILLION..... WE'RE NOT STABLE WE NEED TO BUILD PIPELINES to save the ECONOMY /s it's going to be strange seeing this in US history. the magnitude of destruction will likely/surely surpass that of the bush administrations

[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51719783]I'm very happy that Trump is giving extra thought to the Keystone XL pipeline; It will benefit the whole of Canada, and especially our poorly performing oil sector in Alberta.[/QUOTE] No it really won't be doing that much

[QUOTE=sYnced;51720358]obama lowered the deficit so dramatically from $1.1 trillion to $500 billion which means... THE COUNTRY STILL OWES $500 BILLION..... WE'RE NOT STABLE WE NEED TO BUILD PIPELINES to save the ECONOMY /s it's going to be strange seeing this in US history. the magnitude of destruction will likely/surely surpass that of the bush administrations[/QUOTE] Fox news reports our national debt at over 19 trillion. Stop with these alternative facts. /s

[QUOTE=Llamaguy;51720057]His slogan was "Make America Great Again", not "Make Canada Great Again".[/QUOTE] Well, America is the continent... United States of America is the country.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;51720402]Well, America is the continent... United States of America is the country.[/QUOTE] That means Mexico is included in this MAGA plan. Trump isn't going to be happy when he realizes this.

[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51719955]People also rely on not getting blown up in rail accidents? I think Canada's economic gain in times of crisis is more important than some far off heresy about people getting killed by pipelines.[/QUOTE] And that's how half the world ended up full of water....

He's not just reviving the pipelines, but severely reducing the actionable limit and authority of environmental impact studies and forced delays relating to environmental concerns. He is effectively allowing future construction efforts, of anything, to continue largely unimpeded by environmental concerns. That's quite a big deal, with implications far beyond these individual pipelines.

[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51719955]People also rely on not getting blown up in rail accidents? I think Canada's economic gain in times of crisis is more important than some far off heresy about people getting killed by pipelines.[/QUOTE] Far off heresy? Are you kidding? When oil seeps into water tables, which are the main sources drinking water that we obtain it from, it ruins the potability of that water source. We're already running out of freshwater and don't need to exacerbate the problem, much less restrict drinking water to potentially thousands of people. I think Canada's economic gain is less important than people's lives.

[QUOTE=ZombieWaffle;51720555]Far off heresy? Are you kidding? When oil seeps into water tables, which are the main sources drinking water that we obtain it from, it ruins the potability of that water source. We're already running out of freshwater and don't need to exacerbate the problem, much less restrict drinking water to potentially thousands of people. I think Canada's economic gain is less important than people's lives.[/QUOTE] I think he forgot to replace "heresy" with "alternative facts".

Trump is off to a good start with his "America First" promise, by building a pipeline that offers our country almost zero long term benefit

[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51720002]Luckily, somebody in the whitehouse apparently cares.[/QUOTE] how deluded are you? you think trump is thinking of anything but dollar signs? he doesnt give a shit about you, your country, or the environment. he just wants to line his pockets.

not even a week in and he's causing more problems than Obama did during the eight years he was in office. just Imagine how bad things will be by the time his presidency is over

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51720549]He's not just reviving the pipelines, but severely reducing the actionable limit and authority of environmental impact studies and forced delays relating to environmental concerns. He is effectively allowing future construction efforts, of anything, to continue largely unimpeded by environmental concerns. That's quite a big deal, with implications far beyond these individual pipelines.[/QUOTE] He pretty much just gagged the EPA today as well. Not that it's surprising seeing who he appointmented. Starting to centralize all the power here.

Hopefully this means the DAPL will be finished finally. The fucking NoDAPL camps have just turned into giant drug dens, and we need federal help to push these assholes out.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51720831]Hopefully this means the DAPL will be finished finally. The fucking NoDAPL camps have just turned into giant drug dens, and we need federal help to push these assholes out.[/QUOTE] Source?

[QUOTE=Llamaguy;51720913]Source?[/QUOTE] Well outside of them being a bunch of poachers to the fucking extreme: [url=http://imgur.com/gallery/kpY2k](1)[/url][url=http://imgur.com/a/HaxQ4](2)[/url]. I'll have to fish up some of the elders posts on Facebook, when I get back from the store.

imgur is not a great source

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51720831]Hopefully this means the DAPL will be finished finally. The fucking NoDAPL camps have just turned into giant drug dens, and we need federal help to push these assholes out.[/QUOTE] We'll poison their water supply, that'll put those darn natives in their place!

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51720767]He pretty much just gagged the EPA today as well. Not that it's surprising seeing who he appointmented. Starting to centralize all the power here.[/QUOTE] Hopefully the courts will at least allow for damages against reckless companies after the fact. Much less preferable to preventing the problems to begin with, but if we can sue the fuck out of companies that destroy the environment maybe we can still loosely enforce some kind environmental consciousness.

[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51720393]Fox news reports our national debt at over 19 trillion. Stop with these alternative facts. /s[/QUOTE] debt =/= defecit

I'm not too keen on the use of executive orders on this (unless it's undoing Obama's gag orders) but anything that gives us more North American oil is A-OK by me in the long term. [QUOTE=New Cidem;51720050]I'm sure Trump's thinking of helping out poor Canada when he signs executive orders that benefit rich Americans.[/QUOTE] Yeah, let's transport the oil on Buffet's railroads instead. There's capitalists on both sides of the deal, man. We might as well go with the pipeline that's already been mapped out and planned.

[QUOTE=Chonch;51721840]I'm not too keen on the use of executive orders on this (unless it's undoing Obama's gag orders) but anything that gives us more North American oil is A-OK by me in the long term. Yeah, let's transport the oil on Buffet's railroads instead. There's capitalists on both sides of the deal, man. We might as well go with the pipeline that's already been mapped out and planned.[/QUOTE] Are you aware of the damages to not just animal ecosystems but human when this thing bursts over one of the many tributaries or otherwise? Water sources are finite man and the US has damaged theirs enough to harm human life and animal alike. The oils gotta get moved I get that but why over such important water bodies?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51721853]Are you aware of the damages to not just animal ecosystems but human when this thing bursts over one of the many tributaries or otherwise? Water sources are finite man and the US has damaged theirs enough to harm human life and animal alike. The oils gotta get moved I get that but why over such important water bodies?[/QUOTE] IIRC Obama had indicated plans for an alternate route for Dakota Access that avoided most of the ecological concerns. Even if the project was halted, surely the alternate plan had at least been explored? I have zero interest in risking an oil spill over an important water source; if there's a way to avoid it I'd certainly want to investigate that.

The larger point is that in order to avoid total ecological catastrophe via climate change, as much oil as possible needs to be left in the ground where it belongs. If pipelines make the cost of oil drilling lower, an economic incentive to move away from oil will never exist, and we'll keep drilling it until the oil either runs out or the warming ends human civilization. Anyone with more than two brain cells should oppose all pipelines for that reason, if not for other legitimate environmental concerns.

I think the bigger thing that Trump did in this instance, and something we should be much more focused on, is the fact that Trump revived the Dakota Access Pipeline. The issue I have with that is that its current planned location is running right through the Missouri River: [thumb]http://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_480w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2016/09/07/National-Enterprise/Graphics/2300-NDpipelineMAP-v2.jpg?uuid=s5besnVEEeaXgUnlkXgXVA[/thumb] Hopefully that gets rerouted, but it's in a pretty risky position at the moment. ETP's CEO, Kelcy Warren, said that section near Standing Rock would be built underground with cut-off valves, but that still might contaminate ground water in the general area if it ever leaked.

[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51719983]People arent going to give up lively hood's for the environment until there is a practical alternative.[/QUOTE] Which proves that people are morons who don't understand the bigger picture and are incapable of managing themselves and their countries in the long-term because their thinking is limited and they only consider the short-term/immediate gratification side of things. Furthermore, it also proves that they should not be trusted with the ability to wield power. It's pretty fucking important to take care of the environment since we, you know, rely on it for our entire existence. We're not above nature-- we exist within it, and we are wholly dependent upon it for our continued survival. [editline]25th January 2017[/editline] But I guess we're going to have to learn that lesson the hard way. Whatever.

[QUOTE=Malos;51724290]I think the bigger thing that Trump did in this instance, and something we should be much more focused on, is the fact that Trump revived the Dakota Access Pipeline. The issue I have with that is that its current planned location is running right through the Missouri River: [thumb]http://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_480w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2016/09/07/National-Enterprise/Graphics/2300-NDpipelineMAP-v2.jpg?uuid=s5besnVEEeaXgUnlkXgXVA[/thumb] Hopefully that gets rerouted, but it's in a pretty risky position at the moment. ETP's CEO, Kelcy Warren, said that section near Standing Rock would be built underground with cut-off valves, but that still might contaminate ground water in the general area if it ever leaked.[/QUOTE] What a silly looking plan. If the bits between Williston and the protests site haven't been built already this could easily be rerouted around Minot to skip the river entirely. Knowing oil though there's probably some massive logistical hurdle to make that a reality. What a shame.

[QUOTE=Malos;51724290]I think the bigger thing that Trump did in this instance, and something we should be much more focused on, is the fact that Trump revived the Dakota Access Pipeline. The issue I have with that is that its current planned location is running right through the Missouri River: [thumb]http://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_480w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2016/09/07/National-Enterprise/Graphics/2300-NDpipelineMAP-v2.jpg?uuid=s5besnVEEeaXgUnlkXgXVA[/thumb] Hopefully that gets rerouted, but it's in a pretty risky position at the moment. ETP's CEO, Kelcy Warren, said that section near Standing Rock would be built underground with cut-off valves, but that still might contaminate ground water in the general area if it ever leaked.[/QUOTE] The government chose to cross the river there because there is already a pipeline running underneath the river at that same spot.

[QUOTE=Ridge;51725320]The government chose to cross the river there because there is already a pipeline running underneath the river at that same spot.[/QUOTE] "Fuck it, might as well go for two!"