Climate change escalating so fast it is 'beyond point of no return' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kigen;51465465]Basically, getting too heated. I know I have the unpopular view on the subject. But I am also concerned about being banned as a "gimmick" or for some other reason. Plus it is me verses everyone else here. So I'll leave this topic alone.[/QUOTE] None of that constitutes as flaming. Scientific claims should be backed up by scientific literature or else they are subject to ridicule. That means backing up your claims with peer reviewed data. I asked where you got yours out of genuine curiosity because the reality and the majority of the scientific world disagrees with you.

and this news is why i laugh at anyone who says "don't give up hope" or thinks that life is worth living. they're all worthless ignorant [B]fucks[/B] who just bury their heads in the sand and act as if we are not a species without a future. they're fools who deny reality, and deserve nothing but scorn and contempt.

[QUOTE=9millmeeter;51465497]and this news is why i laugh at anyone who says "don't give up hope" or thinks that life is worth living. they're all worthless ignorant [B]fucks[/B] who just bury their heads in the sand and act as if we are not a species without a future. they're fools who deny reality, and deserve nothing but scorn and contempt.[/QUOTE] this is the best post

[QUOTE=Warriorx4;51465303]The person you replied to was replying to another person who lives on the coast, suggesting or advising them to move further inland away from the coast. Do you honestly think that as the sea level rises that property value inland won't skyrocket?[/QUOTE] Yes and as someone pointed out earlier, not everyone has the means to move. Moving is costly and on top of that you need to be sure where you're moving has jobs for what you're skilled in as well. Considering most people are living paycheck to paycheck that's not really doable for most people.

I don't know how true the article is, but when it comes to climate change deniers, the baby boom generation is the worst generation out there to exist they lived in a time where the job market was good enough that could just easily find a job by just looking, but they blame all their kids as 'just being lazy' despite the fact that the job market is shit because of their stupid actions. On top of that they actively seek to prevent progress towards a cleaner world, despite the fact that it'll cost them nothing to make the world less polluted. They just act like coal/gas/whatever is totally 100% clean and safe and fine and like any oil spill in the ocean means nothing and don't give a single fuck about what car companies and oil companies do, they just pretend that these businesses give a fuck about anyone. like seriously if you're a part of this generation and actively work to prevent clean energy, just stop. You can make your asinine yet sincere jokes about how its nice that its warmer because your stupid ass has to shovel less snow, but you aren't the one who has to potentially suffer because by the time you'll even have to deal with the consequences you'll have already died of old age. All you have to do is be less of a shitty person. like I'm not asking you to recycle or anything. All I'm saying is all you have to do is to at least demand SOME regulations be put in place to prevent further harm. You don't have to go out and throw a bottle away in the right bin, you don't even have to use a cleaner car. Just stop being a twat. Stop bitching about electric cars. Stop bitching about bike lanes. Stop being a waste of fucking space with your giant truck that you never tow or carry a single thing with and takes up 70% of the road. Maybe you should be more concerned for the people around you than this imagined threat of "evil brown people" killing your family despite the fact that you're living in a white suburban neighborhood where no violence ever happens and your life is amazing. You're so concerned with this perception of short term safety that you don't even fucking care about "what if they're right" because you'll never listen to anyone who doesn't praise Jesus and isn't alex jones. How about, fucking think "What if their right", and just accept being wrong. Stop being such a bitch about it. Even if "they" are wrong there's nothing actually bad that'll come of you know... making the world cleaner. When both sides work against eachother and have no empathy for the other side and don't want to listen to anything anyone else says, you get 2 options that are radically different and 2 options that both fucking suck for everyone and ruin everything.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51465195]Eghghg I hate reading about shit like this it's really really fucking bad for my depression and anxiety[/QUOTE] I know I'm a bit late, but me too. I still try and find ways of coping with stories like this.

[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;51465269]So when is coming into a thread, making a shitpost and then never replying again going to have something done about it? Pretty tired of it happening.[/QUOTE] tell wystan that

[QUOTE=Atlascore;51464964]You're in Canada, even at the height of the disastrous effects of climate change, you and your family will be fine. It's the people living in undeveloped countries, near the equator, or on the coast that are in danger. God help those that are living under all three conditions.[/QUOTE] Not entirely true. While they will be the ones most directly and obviously affected, the fallout will be global. Global refugee crisis of an absolutely unprecedented scale, mass starvation, homelessness, total economic collapse, etc, etc.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51465560]Not entirely true. While they will be the ones most directly and obviously affected, the fallout will be global. Global refugee crisis of an absolutely unprecedented scale, mass starvation, homelessness, total economic collapse, etc, etc.[/QUOTE] Anyone that depends on fishing for a living is screwed.

The 1950's was the best time to be born, I don't know what the life expectancy of ordinary citizens in the west is going to be like by the time I'm 60 or if I even live that long.

[QUOTE=9millmeeter;51465497]and this news is why i laugh at anyone who says "don't give up hope" or thinks that life is worth living. they're all worthless ignorant [B]fucks[/B] who just bury their heads in the sand and act as if we are not a species without a future. they're fools who deny reality, and deserve nothing but scorn and contempt.[/QUOTE] don't cut yourself on that edge. you're as bad as the people that say there's nothing wrong, and you're not helping.

its almost as bad as the ending to the episode of TNG: Inner Light

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51465608]The 1950's was the best time to be born, I don't know what the life expectancy of ordinary citizens in the west is going to be like by the time I'm 60 or if I even live that long.[/QUOTE] To be fair, just about everyone who was drafted was pretty much fucked hard by the government. Though they were born earlier than the 50's I think.

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51465608]The 1950's was the best time to be born, I don't know what the life expectancy of ordinary citizens in the west is going to be like by the time I'm 60 or if I even live that long.[/QUOTE] If I was born anytime earlier than the year I was, life probably would've been a lot worse or not at all. Medical advancement in neonatal care is easy to forget. I'm glad I was born in the time I was. We are, no matter how you cut it, the pinnacle of humanity.

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51465608]The 1950's was the best time to be born, I don't know what the life expectancy of ordinary citizens in the west is going to be like by the time I'm 60 or if I even live that long.[/QUOTE] The 1950s in North America, maybe. Out in Europe, it was meh to shit. Africa, shit. China though? You were absolutely fucked, and the worst was yet to come.

I'm spiraling.

[QUOTE=OvB;51465644]If I was born anytime earlier than the year I was, life probably would've been a lot worse or not at all. Medical advancement in neonatal care is easy to forget. I'm glad I was born in the time I was. We are, no matter how you cut it, the pinnacle of humanity.[/QUOTE] We are the generation with the easiest first few but hardest last few decades, if that makes any sense. Being born healthy in North America in the 1950's means you get to experience a decent full life, but it's not for everyone.

And this is why we can't afford to be calm about this subject anymore: there simply isn't enough time. The future will be terrifying sooner than I think people realize it will. It's going to take fanaticism-- as in courage, hard work, and fighting when necessary-- to not just survive as individuals but also to keep our civilization and decent principles alive. The time to start preparing for it is not later, it's now before things get even worse. Procrastination has the potential to be fatal here. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51464923]Makes me question if I'll even bother to raise kids really. I guess I won't if that's the world they'll have to grow up in[/QUOTE] If you do decide to have kids, raise them to be worth something. Teach them to love learning and to work hard, to be strong and brave but also humanitarian and peaceful... basically, teach them to be intelligent, productive, and good people. That's what we're going to need when they come of age and the world is horrible: quality human beings who will attempt to do something with their lives-- for the world and for everyone still in it-- and who will themselves eventually raise up another generation who will be just a good as them (if not better) so they can pass the torch on to them, etc. etc. [editline]3 December 2016[/editline] We need to break out of this cycle of ignoring history, procrastinating when disasters are clearly on the horizon yet there's still time to prevent or reduce their impacts, and not learning from our mistakes in general. The best way to attempt to do this is by raising up superior generations to inherit the future after we're gone. Achieving perfection in them is impossible-- they will make mistakes and have faults just like us and the generations that came before us-- but overall improvement is completely possible, especially when it comes to modifying and improving their attitudes: instilling in them a deep respect for nature, an awareness for their/our species' place on Earth and in the universe to make them understand just how fragile we are and how fragile our planet is, scientific literacy and a love for learning to encourage advancement, goodwill and sensible humanitarianism, zero tolerance for greed and short-term profiteering (the practices that got us into this mess in the first place basically), etc.

[QUOTE=Kigen;51465465]Basically, getting too heated. I know I have the unpopular view on the subject. But I am also concerned about being banned as a "gimmick" or for some other reason. Plus it is me verses everyone else here. So I'll leave this topic alone.[/QUOTE] None of that is flaming, man. You're making bold (often ridiculous) claims without evidence to back them up, while simultaneously offhandedly dismissing the mountain of evidence presented by your opposition. You're not being flamed, you're getting summarily and fairly called out for that. [QUOTE=Kigen;51465408][B]Because the overwhelming majority did. Not "some."[/B] Anyways, its obvious that once again I'm just going to get flamed for having a differing view on this.[/QUOTE] Claims like this. [I]Prove it[/I], or don't post.

While we're at it, can something be done about King Tiger hit and running the thread? It's not the first time he's dropped in, baited, and left.

Since the increased emissions from soil will be in northern regions, would it be possible to reduce/alter effects of it by massively planting trees as area thaws up?

[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51465940]While we're at it, can something be done about King Tiger hit and running the thread? It's not the first time he's dropped in, baited, and left.[/QUOTE] There should simply be a rule that if you are the first to bring up a new position, you must provide a source and be prepared to defend it. If you break this rule several times, you win a ban

Consider yourselves lucky, guys. People have predicted and feared the end of humanity for as long as there has been civilization, but we're the lucky ones who actually get to see the beginning of the end.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;51465516]Yes and as someone pointed out earlier, not everyone has the means to move. Moving is costly and on top of that you need to be sure where you're moving has jobs for what you're skilled in as well. Considering most people are living paycheck to paycheck that's not really doable for most people.[/QUOTE] And now I'm going to copy/paste what I said to that someone who pointed out earlier what you just said, in the very same post of mine that you quoted, mind you: Right but if you do then you probably should, or at least work towards it. It beats sitting around and not doing anything.

I almost want someone to play devils advocate here so someone can demonstrate that their position on climate change is sound. The only person who has a different viewpoint seems to back out when people start disagreeing vocally because I guess they think that if they argue they will get banned? As much faith as I have in FP it might encourage more discussion if people can see that they can actually hold a conversation here without it getting out of hand. I dont know I just want someone who disagrees and that is willing to hold a conversation.

[QUOTE=mecaguy03;51466310]I almost want someone to play devils advocate here so someone can demonstrate that their position on climate change is rigorous. The only person who has a different viewpoint seems to back out when people start disagreeing vocally because I guess they think that if they argue they will get banned?[/QUOTE] No the only reason why they would back out is because they know they can't back up their points with evidence. It's driveby shitposting and it's ruining sensationalist headlines discussion. User01: "Issue A is a problem." User02: "LOL NO IT'S NOT. It's bullshit if you think it is." User01: "How isn't Issue A a problem? Here's evidence to suggest that Issue A is a problem." User02: "Um, Issue A isn't a problem. Get over yourself lol." User01: "Hi, here are some more articles about why issue A is a problem." ARGUMENT WAS ABANDONED BY USER02

[QUOTE=Kigen;51465249]I've heard this so many times. This is why its so difficult for me to take these scientist seriously anymore. It doesn't take much Google searching to find all the failed predictions. But a lot of the fault is that the Earth is a very complex system. And very rarely are models ever accurate. [url]http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/12/climate-models-wildly-overestimated-global-warming-study-finds.html#ixzz2enV95yA8[/url] [url]https://www.aei.org/publication/18-spectacularly-wrong-apocalyptic-predictions-made-around-the-time-of-the-first-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year-3/[/url] [url]https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/02/the-big-list-of-failed-climate-predictions/[/url] I've seen these types of alarmist titles in news articles for the entirety of the time I could read. Its pretty much every year that there is a new article saying if we don't fix it right now then there is going to be no turning back. But then next year happens and it turns out they lied. Because nothing sells (or gets clicks) better than "the world is going to end." I'm all about limiting pollution, recycling, etc. But these type of news articles harms attempts to help push humanity into more efficient technologies. Because when they turn out false then people question, "what else have they lied about?"[/QUOTE] This is the same tactic the tobacco industry used to deny the health effects of smoking for decades. You find someone willing to disagree, even without any consensus and say "scientists disagree" even though most don't yet people bought it up for decades until they felt the impact themselves.

Not to get political but... I'm straight up mad at Democrats for not making this a pivotal issue. I'm sure it doesn't poll well, but look at where we are now. Where's the anger, where's the will, they just huddle up into a ball and think being polite matters more. Republicans were willing to shutdown the Government over Obamacare, Republicans were willing to block a Supreme Court nominee for close to a year, Republicans have controlled a majority of this country's state governments and Congress and yet still control the narrative portraying themselves as the underdog. Instead, Democrats choose to do a sit-in with a buffet in the back for a moderate gun control bill to have a hearing. No one seems to care about climate change.

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