Climate change escalating so fast it is 'beyond point of no return' - Polidicks

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[QUOTE=Kigen;51466577]-snip-[/QUOTE] Kigen, you should really take a look at Potholer54's videos on climate change: [url]https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP[/url]

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51464930]What's the incentive to stop using fossil fuels if this is true?[/QUOTE] Your boat has holes in it. Do you solve the problem by knocking more holes in it? Or maybe stop making holes and hope someone figures out how to use/make the lifeboats?

[QUOTE=shadow_oap;51466494]Not to get political but... I'm straight up mad at Democrats for not making this a pivotal issue. I'm sure it doesn't poll well, but look at where we are now. Where's the anger, where's the will, they just huddle up into a ball and think being polite matters more. Republicans were willing to shutdown the Government over Obamacare, Republicans were willing to block a Supreme Court nominee for close to a year, Republicans have controlled a majority of this country's state governments and Congress and yet still control the narrative portraying themselves as the underdog. Instead, Democrats choose to do a sit-in with a buffet in the back for a moderate gun control bill to have a hearing. No one seems to care about climate change.[/QUOTE] It polls incredibly well, just not with donors. Thats the infuriating part, both parties are for sale.

When I was younger I had such high hopes for the future and our human accomplishments. 2016 has managed to corrupt these hopes and make me dread the future instead. fuck you 2016.

Are you really sure that the heat that leaks out of houses can impact the local climate that much? Cities are very large and the amount of air that is contained in their local climates is actually quite a lot of mass to heat up. And thats if the air doesnt move, if it does then you have more air to heat. We could try to do some ballpark figures to calculate how much the combined average energy usage of an example city would heat the air around it. We could estimate the volume of the air in a simple manner and assume its just a standing volume of air for the purposes of this. The volume of air 1km above Portland Oregon should weigh somewhere in the ballpark of 800,000,000 US tons. The area of Portland is about 376 square km and if we include the air 1km above this area as a local climate then we have an volume of something like 37,548,000,000 cubic meters, which you can extrapolate the weight from assuming its at a normal temperature like 20 degrees C or something. It would be pretty simple from here to use the specific heat capacity of air and the average energy usage of a city to imagine a worst-case scenario.

[QUOTE=Foogooman;51466116]Consider yourselves lucky, guys. People have predicted and feared the end of humanity for as long as there has been civilization, but we're the lucky ones who actually get to see the beginning of the end.[/QUOTE] humanity isnt going to end lol these posts and this attitude do not help anything

Luckily I won't be alive by the time shit really hits the fan. The flooding of coastal cities across the globe will make the syrian refugee crisis look like an afternoon picnic. Although on second thought I suppose the loss of land will happen slow enough for people to adapt properly.

[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;51466573] Earth isn't just some thing where you can fuck one part really hard while leaving some other part less fucked, it's a giant system that's connected with itself and changes will affect the whole globe.[/QUOTE] It's fixes itself in a way. We fuck with it and it kills us.

[QUOTE=DeEz;51466871]Luckily I won't be alive by the time shit really hits the fan. The flooding of coastal cities across the globe will make the syrian refugee crisis look like an afternoon picnic. Although on second thought I suppose the loss of land will happen slow enough for people to adapt properly.[/QUOTE] I don't mean to berate or insult you, but this is one of those attitudes that fucked it all up. I used to rent this one room from an old lady and I told to her, 'some people say that in one hundred years there will be a new ice age,' and she told me, 'well we won't be alive by then.' [B]I felt infuriated.[/B] It took me a lot of strength to hold my words back, but that figurative venom that was stuck behind my teeth made me realize how much I hated that outlook. Yes, we might not live long enough for things to get really bad, [I]but that doesn't mean we can do fuck all we want.[/I] Where is our sense of responsibility? The world is our house, our home, do you let garbage pile up in the bin? Do you never hoover your rooms? Do you put away your plates away to the sink once you're done with them? Do you have ANY respect for your roommates? Sure, it's a big planet and you can't fix everything and it takes time and money and effort - but it's no excuse. It's simply no excuse. There is no excuse. Fucks sake, I'm so mad and anxious from all this.

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;51466851]humanity isnt going to end lol these posts and this attitude do not help anything[/QUOTE] Humanity might not end but it's not exactly going to be the same. Billions WILL die if action is not taken.

For a look into the minds of those on the other side: [url]http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/101325215[/url] [editline]s[/editline] the alt-right is so feels before reals that it aches

[QUOTE=Kigen;51466555]-snip-[/QUOTE] What happened to your posts? Your list at [URL="https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/02/the-big-list-of-failed-climate-predictions/"]https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/02/the-big-list-of-failed-climate-predictions/[/URL] - did you even look at it before you posted the source? Vast majority (lol) of them as cited don't have nearly enough infromation that they can be said to have failed, or their end dates are still far ahead. The list has no information value whatsoever. Is your faith on climate science demolished by entries like: 11. “Good bye winter. Never again snow?” Spiegel, 1 April 2000

Not sure I'm liking this pessimism. Sometimes I feel it makes people justify doing nothing.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51464927]So can we charge Exxon with crimes against humanity for their role in knowingly covering up and delaying action on climate change instead of warning us and taking action?[/QUOTE] Of course, just like how we imprisoned all those execs that caused the 2008 housing crash...oh wait

[QUOTE=OvB;51465227]If you want to learn more about climate change you should watch videos by [url=https://www.youtube.com/user/potholer54]potholer54[/url].[B] He is a climate expert.[/B] This one might be what you're looking for, but I'm not sure: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNgqv4yVyDw&list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP&index=31[/url][/QUOTE] No he isn't. He's a former journalist who happens to have read the scientific literature on climate change and made some videos about it. I think potholer himself would strongly reject being called an expert - he just quotes them.

[QUOTE=Naught;51465220]its also not something to really get anxious about. It's really bad, yea, but it isn't going to happen in a day, it's stretched out over hundreds of years, and probably won't even affect you. If you care a lot about the future of humanity after you die, yea, it's obviously gonna be a killer, but theres also planetary missions, and science is evolving to combat global warming, so who knows if some tech will come out eventually to counteract it. (you can say its impossible, but people have said that anything invented by science today was impossible 50 years before it happened.)[/QUOTE] Why don't we just build towers to suck carbon dioxide out of the air? And then compress that carbon dioxide into tiny little stuffed animals that we can market as collectible? Or whatever else we can use CO2 for. EDIT: [QUOTE]Not sure I'm liking this pessimism. Sometimes I feel it makes people justify doing nothing.[/QUOTE] This. I don't want problems, I want solutions, dammit.

[QUOTE]This. I don't want problems, I want solutions, dammit.[/QUOTE] Make the death penalty mandatory for any crime. Shoplifting? Death. Littering? Death. Rape? Death. This would reduce the population quickly. Less people, means less pollution.

We don't even know what all of the effects will be, since so many planetary systems are interdependent. So far we've seen it will affect just about everything. What's going to happen when displaced peoples start butting up against the politician's estates?

[QUOTE=daschnek;51467658]No he isn't. He's a former journalist who happens to have read the scientific literature on climate change and made some videos about it. I think potholer himself would strongly reject being called an expert - he just quotes them.[/QUOTE] He is a geologist (on top of being a journalist), but yes, as he says himself in several videos, he's [I]not[/I] an expert on climate research. That's why he cites his claims from actual, published scientific studies, that way you can read those for yourself (if you have the knowledge to do so of course). He's keeping well within his bounds, not making any new exotic claims like many people do. Essentially he's doing what any good science journalist should.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51467762]Make the death penalty mandatory for any crime. Shoplifting? Death. Littering? Death. Rape? Death. This would reduce the population quickly. Less people, means less pollution.[/QUOTE] Not great, but, points for trying.

[QUOTE=Metalcastr;51467813]We don't even know what all of the effects will be, since so many planetary systems are interdependent. So far we've seen it will affect just about everything. What's going to happen when displaced peoples start butting up against the politician's estates?[/QUOTE] Either these elites will have a means off the planet or they will end up swinging from some lamp posts due to how unstable everything has become.

[QUOTE=Popularvote;51467733]Why don't we just build towers to suck carbon dioxide out of the air? And then compress that carbon dioxide into tiny little stuffed animals that we can market as collectible? Or whatever else we can use CO2 for. EDIT: This. I don't want problems, I want solutions, dammit.[/QUOTE] We have a wide array of technologies that will effectively combat climate change, and more will be developed over time. But the American public just elected a guy that denies climate change's existence.

So then there's no point in attempting conservation techniques, then?

[QUOTE=Ridge;51468500]So then there's no point in attempting conservation techniques, then?[/QUOTE] What reasoning leads you to this? King Tiger has refused to answer, what reasoning do you have for wanting it to occur faster?

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51467836]He is a geologist (on top of being a journalist), but yes, as he says himself in several videos, he's [I]not[/I] an expert on climate research. That's why he cites his claims from actual, published scientific studies, that way you can read those for yourself (if you have the knowledge to do so of course). He's keeping well within his bounds, not making any new exotic claims like many people do. Essentially he's doing what any good science journalist should.[/QUOTE] Even an expert wouldn't be exempt from citing their sources, though. He does good science journalism, but I could swear he was a climatologist at some point. My Mistake I suppose. Either way, his presentations are highly knowledgeable. [editline]3rd December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Ridge;51468500]So then there's no point in attempting conservation techniques, then?[/QUOTE] Absolutely not. We should still do everything we can. If the plane is crashing, you might as well try to belly flop it in a field and save your ass.

[QUOTE=OvB;51468572]Even an expert wouldn't be exempt from citing their sources, though. He does good science journalism, but I could swear he was a climatologist at some point. My Mistake I suppose. Either way, his presentations are highly knowledgeable.[/QUOTE] Obviously. Didn't really mean to imply that.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51467762]Make the death penalty mandatory for any crime. Shoplifting? Death. Littering? Death. Rape? Death. This would reduce the population quickly. Less people, means less pollution.[/QUOTE] I hope you arent serious, and even if you aren't it still wouldnt help slow climate change down.

We are so monumentally fucked, especially with Trump as President.

[QUOTE=Brobattington;51469101]We are so monumentally fucked, especially with Trump as President.[/QUOTE] But, hey, at least Crooked Hillary isn't in office with her email scandal. :hammered: That being said, Bernie would've been better than both in terms of combating Climate Change.