Climate change escalating so fast it is 'beyond point of no return' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51469120]But, hey, at least Crooked Hillary isn't in office with her email scandal. :hammered: That being said, Bernie would've been better than both in terms of combating Climate Change.[/QUOTE] She fucked herself with trying to cheat for 0 reason now we have to bend over for god-emperor trump because of her hubris

[QUOTE=Kigen;51466555]Its beating a dead horse at this point. Believe whatever you want. I've tried to present scientist that do disagree with climate change and have presented papers on it. But it just gets ignored as a "climate change denier." What people confuse is I do not dispute that climate change occurs. I dispute the assertion that humanity is the overwhelming cause. The Earth is estimated to be 4.5 billion years old. Humanity only came onto the stage in its current form of civilization for the past six thousand years. Humanity has only just started to progress with technology and true understanding of what is going on around us. It will likely take a lot longer (probably a hundred years or more) still to truly model out what is happening just on our Earth. Much less what occurs elsewhere. Sure you will always have those who disagree. There are still people that believe in flat Earth. There are still quite a lot of things that billions of humans on this planet believe in that are demonstratively false. However, my point is that I am tired of seeing "the world is going to end" over and over again in the media. And a LOT of people will just eat up whatever is presented. I mean we can look at nuclear winter crap and see that. Nuclear got sidelined (by alarmist) when they were finally getting away from more dangerous designs like PWR. We would have had a lot more, and better, nuclear plants today if not for alarmist killing off nuclear power plants. I do believe our energy issues will turn towards nuclear technologies. Wind and solar cannot keep up with human demand for energy. There will always be dangers with any technology we approach with. Wind power kills quite a few birds. Solar produces massive amounts of toxic waste in its construction. And both require so much land and those solar panels/wind mills that it will never produce enough energy. The massive usage of concrete in cities has much more to do with rising temperatures in those areas that many have ever pointed out. Concrete absorbs the heat from the sun and releases it at night. But there are also a lot of other things that have effects on temperatures in cities like air conditioning (literally dumps heat in already heated environment) or heating from homes leaking out of said homes. But the biggest problem I have is how much the media uses these "scientists" to push sensationalized headlines about "the end is nigh" crap. I mean seriously, climate change is the new religion. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/20/science/warming-is-blamed-for-antarcticas-weight-gain.html[/url] [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/antarctic-ice-sheet-disappearing-at-twice-the-rate-predicted-9398468.html[/url] [url]http://climatechangepredictions.org/[/url] <- Website collecting all the "prophecies" around climate change. It includes links whenever possible to the actual articles. Do you not see how I would have skepticism towards climate change "science"? [editline]3rd December 2016[/editline] Any evidence I present just dismissed out of hand. And some people did appear to me to be getting heated so I backed off for a bit.[/QUOTE] No single technology is going to solve climate change. Nuclear, wind, solar, geothermal, hydro, tidal are all going to be an important part of tackling climate change. Solar isn't really any worse than the regular semi conductor industry in terms of waste, it can be very bad for the environment if you just dump the waste into a river or whatever but a lot can be recycled. Wind turbines killing birds is overblown as well, many many more birds die to cats, or even radio towers, or even regular household windows. The end may very well be nigh for a lot of people by the end of the century if nothing is done immediately. At this point we will probably need to not only cut emissions but develop carbon capture technologies that can work on a mass scale. It might sound sensationalist but this is a huge threat to billions of people. Things need to change right now to have any chance of avoiding that. Earth has never seen anything on the scale of what we are doing to it right now without an extinction level event. Climate models might not be 100% perfect but they are fairly decent and are getting continuously better. We know for a fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and we know for a fact that we are dumping a ton of it into the atmosphere. The concrete issue (the urban island heat effect) is mostly resolved by using lighter coloured concrete, and roofing. This issue is already taken into account when looking at global temperature rises to avoid false data. It also has limited impact on overall climate change, and is more of a local issue, though it does have some effects due to extra energy required to run AC, and helps Ozone form in the lower atmosphere when combined with NOX from diesel cars and boilers.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51465099]Guess its time to start blowing up a bunch of shit so the debris goes into the atmosphere and blocks the suns rays enough to even it out.[/QUOTE] Let that be the homes of the oil barons and sheikhs and their families, and every member of every climate change denial lobby group out there ever and every climate change denying politician.

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51469120]But, hey, at least Crooked Hillary isn't in office with her email scandal. :hammered: That being said, Bernie would've been better than both in terms of combating Climate Change.[/QUOTE] She called that on herself, she acted like a dumb pedantic self entitled brat.

On the bright side this is just another reason to get rid of these fleshy meatbags we call bodies. If the environment is going to change and if we can do nothing about it as of now, the best thing to do is change with it.

[QUOTE=Shirt.;51469686]On the bright side this is just another reason to get rid of these fleshy meatbags we call bodies. If the environment is going to change and if we can do nothing about it as of now, the best thing to do is change with it.[/QUOTE] That is not a bright-side. I'd suspect majority of people identify with their physical body and beyond that, the human body is an amazing machine for what it is. We can survive lots of abuse, live in lots of different climates, and have some of the best dexterity and fine motor-control of our muscles. Even just robotic limbs right now are lacking in comparison to all the features of your regular body.

[QUOTE=Shirt.;51469686]On the bright side this is just another reason to get rid of these fleshy meatbags we call bodies. If the environment is going to change and if we can do nothing about it as of now, the best thing to do is change with it.[/QUOTE] What do you mean?

[QUOTE=Warriorx4;51469741]What do you mean?[/QUOTE] Beep boop

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51469661]She called that on herself, she acted like a dumb pedantic self entitled brat.[/QUOTE] No disagreements that she was entitled and obnoxiously full of hubris to such an extent that she selfishly cost the election for Democrats because it was ~Her Turn~, but she would be far more fit to combat Climate Change than the likes of Trump.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51468509]What reasoning leads you to this? [B]King Tiger has refused to answer[/B], what reasoning do you have for wanting it to occur faster?[/QUOTE] Which I find quite fun as he was crying about me "hit and run" posting in another thread because I was gone for a mere 15 minutes doing something more important. It's been hours and they haven't shown their face here since. King Tiger also almost certainly just a troll by this point, it's the only way I can see that level of backwards thinking be explained short of mental illness.

[QUOTE=Shirt.;51469686]On the bright side this is just another reason to get rid of these fleshy meatbags we call bodies. If the environment is going to change and if we can do nothing about it as of now, the best thing to do is change with it.[/QUOTE] That is a stupid idea. The Human body is one of natures greatest inventions. No other species has adapted so well with the variety of hostile environments, have persevered like we have. Medicine is starting to discover methods to eliminate the effects of aging using mice, and are already looking into developing it for humans. Soon enough we will be able to regenerate organs, repair damaged tissues among other health problems. We will be able to repair our bodies, possibly extend lifespans and increase our own durability. You sorely underestimate the human body, its mind, and our potential.

[QUOTE=Shirt.;51469750]Beep boop[/QUOTE] the technology for that doesn't exist

[QUOTE=Shirt.;51469750]Beep boop[/QUOTE] That's still a long ways off for us.

[QUOTE=Shirt.;51469686]On the bright side this is just another reason to get rid of these fleshy meatbags we call bodies. If the environment is going to change and if we can do nothing about it as of now, the best thing to do is change with it.[/QUOTE] You cant upload your brain into a machine, sorry but its not possible with how we understand the brain. We could theoretically MAYBE make a copy of your brain and put that in a machine, but that's not you, that another entity that acts like you, has your memories and thinks like you, but its not you. You would still have your meatbag body.

[QUOTE=Broguts;51470431]You cant upload your brain into a machine, sorry but its not possible with how we understand the brain. We could theoretically MAYBE make a copy of your brain and put that in a machine, but that's not you, that another entity that acts like you, has your memories and thinks like you, but its not you. You would still have your meatbag body.[/QUOTE] He probably means more along the lines of 'put your brain into the robot'. Not gonna happen though, we can't even guarantee basic organ transplants.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51470461]He probably means more along the lines of 'put your brain into the robot'. Not gonna happen though, we can't even guarantee basic organ transplants.[/QUOTE] Really doubt transplanting a brain will work, and even if it did, it would probably have a disgustingly low success rate.

[QUOTE=Broguts;51470498]Really doubt transplanting a brain will work, and even if it did, it would probably have a disgustingly low success rate.[/QUOTE] You're not thinking into the future far enough That is definitely obtainable tech.

[QUOTE=phygon;51470620]You're not thinking into the future far enough That is definitely obtainable tech.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure we'll all be underwater by that point.

For anyone who wants to know more about why "the point of no return" is so significant, the short of it is that the planet has a number of systems in place that, until this point, have acted as a means to prevent massive climate change from happening. (ie the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_cycle]carbon cycle[/url] to simplify it) Once we pass the point of no return, those systems are going to start to be overwhelmed, and sometimes produce a positive feedback loop. Those include things like - the micro-organisms in the soil discussed in the article, which will become increasingly active as global temperatures continue to rise - Earth's [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albedo]albedo[/url] or reflectiveness, which reduces heat absorbed by the atmosphere, [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1542358]which will diminish as ice begins to melt... oh, right[/url] - Earth's oceans which absorb carbon, and [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blob_(Pacific_Ocean)]the warmer it gets the less carbon it can absorb[/url] - Earth's grasslands and forests which also [url=http://www.enn.com/ecosystems/article/45308]hold mass amounts of carbon[/url], which are [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/11/29/north-americas-grasslands-are-slowly-disappearing-and-no-ones-paying-attention/?utm_term=.10106e894905]rapidly dying off through droughts[/url] or [url=https://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/science/indicators/ecosystems/wildfires.html]rapidly releasing carbon via increased forest fire activity[/url] - Thousands of square kilometers of permafrost which is currently holding in massive amounts of methane and carbon, [url=http://www.newsweek.com/2016/06/10/permafrost-greenhouse-gases-global-warming-465585.html]which will be released once they melt.[/url] This doesn't mean 'do whatever because we're fucked either way', it means we need to stop carbon emissions ASAP and develop [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storage#Capture_Technologies]viable carbon capturing technology[/url] to mitigate the changes before we flood and starve our species (and many others) to extinction. What you do today as an individual actually has a serious significance, depending on your carbon footprint and the amount of trash you already produce.