[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;47642426]I don't see what a death sentence would result in at all, his crime was extremely horrendous but killing him does nothing. It's petty revenge, no one is benefitted from his death at all.[/QUOTE]
It would result in him never being able to hurt anyone ever again. If he were to get parole or escape from prison, he'd be free to do whatever he wanted again.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;47641939]What's the alternative, literal life in prison? Legally very unlikely to happen. Without counselling and a far improved corrections system, the recidivism rate is going to remain pretty high. By actually working with these people and helping them understand the hows and whys of becoming better people, they're going to reoffend less often.
It's not about what's best for the criminal - it's about what's going to make them less likely to fuck society over when they get out of prison.[/QUOTE]
I agree but that is flawed too, Adrian Bailey is a prime example he should of never been released and I'm sure he had all the counselling in the world, he even got a psychologist to believe him.
He then went out and raped and murdered a poor girl.
Some people just can't be helped, happened far too many times in Australia.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;47641806]I really wish the corrections system in the US/Britain/Australasia was geared towards actually encouraging reform with compassion and teaching people how to be better, rather than throwing every convicted criminal in a shit-hole where the only thing they're gonna learn is how to be really good at recidivism[/QUOTE]
And then there are people who are a danger to society and need to be separated from the general populous. This guy falls into that category.
Fucking sicko
[sp]Someone took "the closer to zero on the clock, the tighter on the cock" a little too seriously.[/sp]
On a serious note, I really wonder what the hell drives people to do things like this. Like, where in their mind do they make the conclusion that sexually abusing a 1-day old baby, who isn't even aware that it exists, is anything close to okay? It's shit like this that makes me interested in the human mind, as sick and repulsive as that may sound, because cases like these show how skewed and messed up it can be sometimes, and I wonder what events, if any, there have been that caused people to be able to rationalize things like this.
Maybe I just already said it. Babies and young children are easily manipulatable. They can easily be talked into what's happening to them is okay, because they don't know any better.
[editline]2nd May 2015[/editline]
Also a reason why I strongly oppose the death penalty. If the mind allows things like this to happen in the first place, [I]it will happen again[/I] unless those people are aided and steered clear from doing this.
Shit, why stop there? Go to an abortion clinic and stick your dick in their trash cans.
Sick bastard.
To everyone who's saying: "Normally I'm against the death penalty, but..." :
You never were against the death penalty. Otherwise you wouldn't be suddenly calling for it once the situation and the circumstances change.
I'd rather him suffer in prison as a result of getting beaten up by other prisoners and being held there for the rest of his days than him have the death penalty.
That makes me fucking sick. Found myself saying "I wish I didn't read that".
But what the FUCK. I WISH IT NEVER HAPPENED. Gooooooood I'm sick of people and their shit.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;47641806]Exactly
I really wish the corrections system in the US/Britain/Australasia was geared towards actually encouraging reform with compassion and teaching people how to be better, rather than throwing every convicted criminal in a shit-hole where the only thing they're gonna learn is how to be really good at recidivism[/QUOTE]
The people who are in jail for stealing/committing other crimes because they didn't have the professional qualifications to find a legal job are more important to reform and bring back into society than a dude who raped a newborn.
Doesn't mean he should be thrown in a ditch, but as far as priorities go, he's pretty down on the list.
Also rehabilitation would go through complete chemical castration and you'd have to actually convince him to go down that path because that's not something you can force onto people without them losing their mind.
[QUOTE=scurr;47642026]This is one of the rare circumstances that I advocate the death penalty.[/QUOTE]
I disagree, and hate this line of thinking. If you're going to rescind your anti-death penalty beliefs the moment someone actually does something bad, then there's no fucking point in being anti-death penalty. There is no 'fair weather anti-death penalty'. Like I've said numerous times, these are the kinds of people we have on death row. Complete and utter psychopaths. This is the kind of person we talk about when we have this discussion, and we either kill them or we don't. Figure out which side you're on and stick to it.
Personally, I still don't advocate the death penalty for this guy. Should he ever be released? Fuck no. I find it extremely difficult to imagine rehabilitation, reform, or anything is ever possible for this person. He's fucked up and broken. But I still don't like state induced murder.
I remember when I was talking about looking at the quality of people's lives instead of the quantity, and so many Facepunchers jumped down my throat because of how "terrible" I was for "not believing in human rights". Then someone like this rolls around and boom, everyone's trying to figure out a way to make an exception to their black and white philosophies. Spoiler alert: that doesn't work.
Look, not everyone's life is valuable. Instead a lot of people's lives are downright destructive. There are people who should stay dead because of the absolute shittiness they brought to the world. No one should feel bad for appreciating that.
And why are people suddenly switching their mindsets over this? We've been through some of the most heinous assholes in the past few years - some who have absolutely tortured and decimated their victims who wished for nothing more than death, and the line is crossed because it's a baby? Sure, it's fucking gross, but so are all the others.
At this point [I]anything[/I] would be a much more interesting conversation than the routine SH poll about whether or not you support the death penalty. I'd rather talk about why anyone would want to keep him alive - specifically about how he could be useful for learning in the future. Or maybe some ideas as to how this could occur. Anything but the shit-flinging capital punishment argument that happens every single thread - I'll take armchair psychologists over armchair philosophers any day, because at least one is interesting and the other one has been pummeled through the ground.
[QUOTE=Judas;47641874]god fuck off
not everyone is worth the time and resources to "save"
there's a million people that aren't complete depraved psychopaths who are starving or homeless that would be great for society and would contribute so much if given the opportunity, yet pricks like this deserve to be "reformed" so they can work at a mcdonalds and not rape children?[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but you change the topic from paedophiles to homosexuals/transsexuals, it is eerily like stepping back in time.
Nobody wants to be a rapist/paedophile/murderer when they are a a kid, something happens along the way to cause that and we need to work towards making sure that it never happens.
TLDR: Nobody wants to be a social pariah and become a paedophile.
that's gotta be on top of the scoreboards
How the hell do you even do that.
As for the punishment, remove his brain and use body for the disabled
I like how in every thread where someone commits a crime, Facepunch provides a whole host of armchair psychologists who know everything about the case, the accused and the ins and outs of therapy, the human mind and medication, and can inform us all that it is impossible to reform person x. This ranges from mass murderers to this guy to people who committed relatively 'minor' crimes.
I'm not saying I know this guy will be fit for society at some point, just that unqualified internet posters aren't in a position to say who will and won't be fit for society; I'll leave that to the professionals.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;47643744]I remember when I was talking about looking at the quality of people's lives instead of the quantity, and so many Facepunchers jumped down my throat because of how "terrible" I was for "not believing in human rights". Then someone like this rolls around and boom, everyone's trying to figure out a way to make an exception to their black and white philosophies. Spoiler alert: that doesn't work.
Look, not everyone's life is valuable. Instead a lot of people's lives are downright destructive. There are people who should stay dead because of the absolute shittiness they brought to the world. No one should feel bad for appreciating that.
And why are people suddenly switching their mindsets over this? We've been through some of the most heinous assholes in the past few years - some who have absolutely tortured and decimated their victims who wished for nothing more than death, and the line is crossed because it's a baby? Sure, it's fucking gross, but so are all the others.
At this point [I]anything[/I] would be a much more interesting conversation than the routine SH poll about whether or not you support the death penalty. I'd rather talk about why anyone would want to keep him alive - specifically about how he could be useful for learning in the future. Or maybe some ideas as to how this could occur. Anything but the shit-flinging capital punishment argument that happens every single thread - I'll take armchair psychologists over armchair philosophers any day, because at least one is interesting and the other one has been pummeled through the ground.[/QUOTE]
Who decides what level of "absolute shittiness" deserves death? Whos right is it to decide?
[QUOTE=Sally;47642500]Justice comes at any cost[/QUOTE]
You've obviously never paid taxes before
[editline]2nd May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Harry3;47644191]Who decides what level of "absolute shittiness" deserves death? Whos right is it to decide?[/QUOTE]
A bunch of people online you have absolutely no say in any legal matter
[QUOTE=xalener;47643031]Congrats, you just restated the opening argument that's been regurgitated since the death penalty has existed. It's still here in some states, so clearly that tactic is a bit flawed.
So are you gonna back it up and participate in the greater discussion or are you just gonna continue this cunty cowardly passive agressive "bye" shit?[/QUOTE]
lol fuck you dude, call me a cunt if you want but I know that my opinion isn't going to change anything over where you live. bit stupid to insult me for not putting effort into a futile argument. you could always put forward your argument since it's where you live, rather than just berating me for stating my opinion, but I guess that's just more of my cunty, passive aggressive shit :)
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[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;47642905]to everyone calling for the guy to be killed
the death sentence is unbelievably barbaric, no matter what the individual in question does
bye[/QUOTE]
you know what else is barbaric?
raping a baby and 2 other children
bye
[QUOTE=J!NX;47644308]you know what else is barbaric?
raping a baby and 2 other children
bye[/QUOTE]
"an eye for an eye is actually good and just, not revenge!!"
bye for a bye
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;47644320]"an eye for an eye is actually good and just, not revenge!!"
bye for a bye[/QUOTE]
Oh no, I'm against the death sentence but your argument was brutally awful and isn't a reason to be against it. It's basically saying that it isn't OK to put people on the rope who commited genecide / mass homicide simply because "it's barbaric"
if you actually think I'm also supporting an eye for an eye though you're being a total wanker. I don't see how that makes sense?
Hello.
Calm down.
Bye.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;47643668]I disagree, and hate this line of thinking. If you're going to rescind your anti-death penalty beliefs the moment someone actually does something bad, then there's no fucking point in being anti-death penalty. There is no 'fair weather anti-death penalty'. Like I've said numerous times, these are the kinds of people we have on death row. Complete and utter psychopaths. This is the kind of person we talk about when we have this discussion, and we either kill them or we don't. Figure out which side you're on and stick to it.
Personally, I still don't advocate the death penalty for this guy. Should he ever be released? Fuck no. I find it extremely difficult to imagine rehabilitation, reform, or anything is ever possible for this person. He's fucked up and broken. But I still don't like state induced murder.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, throw him in a Supermax facility for the rest of his life and be done with it. There's obviously not much that can be done in terms of rehabilitation, but I'm still not for the death penalty.
Even then the UK has completely abolished the Death Penalty, so it's not like he could get it anyway.
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;47644255]lol fuck you dude, call me a cunt if you want but I know that my opinion isn't going to change anything over where you live. bit stupid to insult me for not putting effort into a futile argument. you could always put forward your argument since it's where you live, rather than just berating me for stating my opinion, but I guess that's just more of my cunty, passive aggressive shit :)[/QUOTE]
Well, the issue here is that you see the death penalty as something that exists unchanged from an age where justice and blind hate driven vengeance were the same thing. The procedure and idea may be, but the law isn't. I support the death penalty specifically in cases like this. Not because the guy deserves death, but because he can't fucking be trusted for as long as he's alive. It doesn't matter where he is, he still exists and he's still dangerous. Even after DOING all that shit he still put it to trial. He doesn't give a [I]fuck.[/I]
Long and short of it is- consider for a moment that folks who support the death penalty don't all want vengeance, they just want the fire extinguished. Irrefutable finality.
Also, if he's put in prison, he's going to be put in there with thieves, drug dealers, drug addicts, and murderers. Notice how not until you get to "murder" does the severity and damage of the crime not quite come close to almost splitting a newborn in half with your COCK. He's going to be in there with people who have their own ideas on what justice is. Ideas that probably gel more with the old notions on justice than the new ones. A prison isn't a homogeneous goo of criminals. It's a small, albeit, fucked up community. If they catch wind of what he did, they'll probably kill him themselves in a fashion a lot less painless than lethal injection... assuming they wouldn't have fucked up the mixture and paralyzed his lungs so he suffocates for 15 minutes like that one guy.
Also, why do you think I live there?
Also, I'm not berating you for stating your opinion, I'm berating you for stating it absurdly badly and totally fucking up the flow of people who aren't stating their opinions badly.
[QUOTE=xalener;47644445]Well, the issue here is that you see the death penalty as something that exists unchanged from an age where justice and blind hate driven vengeance were the same thing. The procedure and idea may be, but the law isn't. I support the death penalty specifically in cases like this. Not because the guy deserves death, but because he can't fucking be trusted for as long as he's alive. It doesn't matter where he is, he still exists and he's still dangerous. Even after DOING all that shit he still put it to trial. He doesn't give a [I]fuck.[/I]
Long and short of it is- consider for a moment that folks who support the death penalty don't all want vengeance, they just want the fire extinguished. Irrefutable finality.
Also, if he's put in prison, he's going to be put in there with thieves, drug dealers, drug addicts, and murderers. Notice how not until you get to "murder" does the severity and damage of the crime not quite come close to almost splitting a newborn in half with your COCK. He's going to be in there with people who have their own ideas on what justice is. Those ideas may not gel with yours or mine. A prison isn't a homogeneous goo of criminals. It's a small, albeit, fucked up community. If they catch wind of what he did, they'll probably kill him themselves in a fashion a lot less painless than lethal injection... assuming they wouldn't have fucked up the mixture and paralyzed his lungs so he suffocates for 15 minutes [B]like that one guy[/B].[/QUOTE]
Angel Diaz was the big one of that in 2006, but it''s been shown that the numbing agent isn't nearly as effective as it was once thought to be. And no, he'll get a nice time by himself in a supermax facility, with the worst of the worst. He isn't going to be thrown in with drug addicts and thieves, he's going to be thrown into a supermax facility with the worst of the worst. There are different tiers of Prisons, and I have no doubt in my mind he'll be getting the most secure one.
And I'm betting it'll be [URL="HM Prison Shotts"]HM Prision Shotts[/URL] as that is also in Scotland.
Fair enough. See, evlbzltyr? This is how it's done.
This asshole does not need counselling, does not need the death penalty.
In fact a better idea is to let the cunt reflect on his actions in prison and have his own emotions crumble in on himself for the rest of his life, living a life-time psychological hell. The best punishment.
[QUOTE=ChronoBlade;47644578]This asshole does not need counselling, does not need the death penalty.
In fact a better idea is to let the cunt reflect on his actions in prison and have his own emotions crumble in on himself for the rest of his life, living a life-time psychological hell. The best punishment.[/QUOTE]
That's implying this guy feels any remorse/empathy to begin with.
[QUOTE=J!NX;47642494]death sentence is more expensive than life in prison.
[url]http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty[/url]
[url]https://www.humblebundle.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
Depends on how many appeals he makes. If it's just 1 or 2, then it definitely is not.
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