Killing the guy won't accomplish much. You're going to spend a lot of money on injecting some random shit into a dude's veins and it's not going to bring back the ravaged asshole of a bunch of newborns.
Sorry to be that brutal about it, but if you think killing him will accomplish anything other than give you a revenge boner for half a minute then you're dumb and wrong.
The death penalty should be when you literally can't detain someone without risking everyone else's life and when it becomes more inhumane to contain the guy than to kill him outright. This isn't one of these cases.
As far as I'm concerned he's just another guy among billions of criminals and he deserves a proper trial with a proper sentence and proper mental care for the obvious mental issue he has.
Even then it's not like he could even get the Death Penalty, he's in the UK, which completely abolished in in the late 90's.
[QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;47644082]How the hell do you even do that.
As for the punishment, remove his brain and use body for the disabled[/QUOTE]
I don't think I'd want the body of a man who raped a one day-old if I was disabled.
-snip fucking never mind...
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47645311]Ok here is the situation. most of you people are agreeing about putting this guy in jail and giving him a life sentence. And saying the death penalty is "barbaric". But here, lets say you are in a certain situation.
You are a father with a wife and a daughter, and the daughter is about 12 or 15 years old. One day you walk into the house. You notice the house has been tarnished a little bit, some of the glass is broken, and you here a banging up stairs and you can here your wife screaming help with another man telling her to shut up. You go up there and you find your wife and daughter are being raped by a rapist. Right by the room is the storage room with a gun closet, but there is also a bat on the floor to use as well. In that situation, would you knock him out with a bat and then throw him in jail with the fact of knowing that man who raped your wife and daughter is still alive? Or will you end his sorry excuse of a life with a bullet to the head?
Your call[/QUOTE]
The fuck? Are you Phil Robertson?
Get your edgy rape/murder fantasy out of here.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;47645339]The fuck? Are you Phil Robertson?
Get your edgy rape/murder fantasy out of here.[/QUOTE]
No, the thing i mean is that you would probably allow him to live if you were not part of the situation. But if it was happening to you in the moment, you wouldn't even think twice.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47645345]No, the thing i mean is that you would probably allow him to live if you were not part of the situation. But if it was happening to you in the moment, you wouldn't even think twice.[/QUOTE]
That's why courts have a jury of unrelated people so emotions do not rule the law. That's also why self defense laws exist.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47645345]No, the thing i mean is that you would probably allow him to live if you were not part of the situation. But if it was happening to you in the moment, you wouldn't even think twice.[/QUOTE]
E.J Graff wrote in an article for Vice on the Boston Bombing trials: "In a democracy, justice is not for the victims; they can never be restored, their lives put back as they once were. The state intentionally takes the process out of their hands to ensure that justice is cool-headed and deliberate instead of red-hot and vengeful."
[url]https://www.vice.com/read/why-dzhokhar-tzarnaev-should-not-get-the-death-penalty-456[/url]
[QUOTE=J!NX;47642494]death sentence is more expensive than life in prison.
[url]http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty[/url]
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I didn't know a bullet is that expensive...
[QUOTE=J!NX;47642494]death sentence is more expensive than life in prison.
[URL]http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty[/URL]
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I've always taken some of this data as correlated but not related. One of the things they show is that Death Penalty cases always have more expensive trials. This makes since to me because: Death Penalty cases are usually much more severe than standard cases, involving more heinous crimes in number. I think if you were to study and compare the cost of trials with the number of charges you'd see a similar pattern emerge.
Also the difference is cost is also because of the way the States handles the death penalty, we could always go back to the rope like Japan.
To clarify though, this isn't a case where I'd support the death penalty.
Rehabilitation (from a psychological standpoint as opposed to legal) and reintegration with society aren't mutually inclusive. If attempt to do so, combined with study of the guy, would help us understand what causes actions like this, then I can't really fault it.
And as far as retribution goes, he certainly deserves a life sentence.
[QUOTE=spiritlol;47645723]I've always taken some of this data as correlated but not related. One of the things they show is that Death Penalty cases always have more expensive trials. This makes since to me because: Death Penalty cases are usually much more severe than standard cases, involving more heinous crimes in number. I think if you were to study and compare the cost of trials with the number of charges you'd see a similar pattern emerge.
Also the difference is cost is also because of the way the States handles the death penalty, we could always go back to the rope like Japan.
To clarify though, this isn't a case where I'd support the death penalty.[/QUOTE]
If i remembee correctly, it is also to do with the longer appeals process you need to kill someone, since you need to be more certain.
It's a massive shame that people not only become victims of this kind of act but that some are motivated to do so, nobody (in their right mind) would 'choose' to become a pedophile, so it is clearly down to some mental factor (genetics? I don't know exactly how such disorders come about...)
I'm not by any means defending the man in question, but consider what motivated him to do what he did... something in his brain just kept telling him to do stuff like this and he listened to it, I'd say that's traumatizing in itself to realize that you're being told by your own brain that doing that is okay.
It's a shame there is no kind of therapy that can effectively alter the brain's pathways in pedophiles' minds to change their mindset, because it would not only benefit them and leave more functional members of society, but it would also protect any and all children that come across them.
...But until any useful method of treatment is developed, I suppose containing the people that couldn't control themselves is equally effective.
[QUOTE=exhale77;47641780]I really hope we can provide counseling to these types of people.[/QUOTE]
Bullet to the head is imho the best solution available
[QUOTE=Angry pepper;47647636]
It's a shame there is no kind of therapy that can effectively alter the brain's pathways in pedophiles' minds to change their mindset, because it would not only benefit them and leave more functional members of society, but it would also protect any and all children that come across them.
...But until any useful method of treatment is developed, I suppose containing the people that couldn't control themselves is equally effective.[/QUOTE]
There is a method like that, it's called a lobotomy, and it's even more unethical than the death penalty.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47645345]No, the thing i mean is that you would probably allow him to live if you were not part of the situation. But if it was happening to you in the moment, you wouldn't even think twice.[/QUOTE]
There's a big difference between killing someone for self defense / defending people and killing someone after they're already detained.
Killing a criminal while they're in the act is okay, because it's a kill or be killed situation and it's possible to be 100% sure that they're guilty. While they're detained, though, they aren't really hurting anyone (except other prisoners, maybe). Plus, if they're detained, you're not 100% sure they're guilty, because mistakes can happen in the courtroom, and evidence is rarely 100% damning.
[QUOTE=iAmaNewb;47645585]I didn't know a bullet is that expensive...[/QUOTE]
No, but a human life is
[QUOTE=spiritlol;47645723]I've always taken some of this data as correlated but not related. One of the things they show is that Death Penalty cases always have more expensive trials. This makes since to me because: Death Penalty cases are usually much more severe than standard cases, involving more heinous crimes in number. I think if you were to study and compare the cost of trials with the number of charges you'd see a similar pattern emerge.
Also the difference is cost is also because of the way the States handles the death penalty, we could always go back to the rope like Japan.
To clarify though, this isn't a case where I'd support the death penalty.[/QUOTE]
Unlimited appeals also is part of the costs.
A death row inmate can appeal his case as many times as they want, and considering there is no reason not to(if you don't you die), they are very likely to appeal at every chance they get.
Also since it is a higher charge, the court costs are higher than if it were a "simple" life sentence for example.
[QUOTE=J!NX;47648878]No, but a human life is[/QUOTE]
Especially african, middle eastern and non east asian one. :^)
Why no death penalty? I mean seriously, why not? Sure, we could try reforming him, but is it really worth it? We could use those resources for something worthwhile.
He raped a fucking baby. I don't want these people walking the streets, regardless if they're "reformed" or not. Do you?
[QUOTE=Whiplash~;47649719]Why no death penalty? I mean seriously, why not? Sure, we could try reforming him, but is it really worth it? We could use those resources for something worthwhile.
He raped a fucking baby. I don't want these people walking the streets, regardless if they're "reformed" or not. Do you?[/QUOTE]
that's what prison is for
[QUOTE=Harry3;47644191]Who decides what level of "absolute shittiness" deserves death? Whos right is it to decide?[/QUOTE]
This is the only reason why I would ever object to the death penalty. I don't trust anyone with it. But with that said, I don't care to argue about it and I don't think my opinion matters.
My argument is that black and white principles will always be shit, simply because life is not binary and there's always way, way more context than simple mottos will ever account for. My other argument is emotions should not be involved with the judicial process.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47649598]Especially african, middle eastern and non east asian one. :^)[/QUOTE]
are you really implying that people are worth less based on ethnicity
[QUOTE=Recurracy;47650057]are you really implying that people are worth less based on ethnicity[/QUOTE]
In terms of the application of justice systems around the world? Probably. Ideally, race wouldn't factor into anything, but we don't live in an ideal world.
[b]EDIT:[/b] Wait, what - I reread what he said and he's totally playing favorites with ethnicities. Uh.
This guy should be fed feet first into a wood chipper.
[QUOTE=Recurracy;47650057]are you really implying that people are worth less based on ethnicity[/QUOTE]
I'm implying that life isn't valuable as much as you want it to be at all. Money is more valuable than life, for example Rockafeller had his 6th heart transplant recently and another example is when XXX people from those regions die you generally feel bad for like 10 minutes, maybe one day at the most and carry on with your life.
If 600 US citizens died on some boat it would be told for ages to come. I'm positive that 99% of this forum already forgot about drowning immigrants.
IDK why would you be so empathic towards child rapist but not invest even a half of that energy towards homeless people for example. If it's with absolutely certainty confirmed that he did the act including undeniable evidence, then off with him.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47650615]I'm implying that life isn't valuable as much as you want it to be at all. Money is more valuable than life, for example Rockafeller had his 6th heart transplant recently and another example is when XXX people from those regions die you generally feel bad for like 10 minutes, maybe one day at the most and carry on with your life.
If 600 US citizens died on some boat it would be told for ages to come. I'm positive that 99% of this forum already forgot about drowning immigrants.
IDK why would you be so empathic towards child rapist but not invest even a half of that energy towards homeless people for example. If it's with absolutely certainty confirmed that he did the act including undeniable evidence, then off with him.[/QUOTE]
You're implying that people are only defined by a single good or bad quality and that they can only be defined as good or evil based on this one outlined quality. Like if a guy is a hobo then he's instantly worthy of sympathy and if a guy is a pedophile then he's instantly worthy of death.
That's incredibly Manichean and really stupid to boot. People may be best outlined by a single fact but they're not as easy to discern as you say.
Drop the edgy revenge bullshit and grow up. Outside of a war scenario, nobody deserves to be put down if you can detain them.
Also pedophilia is a condition that can be treated (chemical castration), so killing them off is double retarded.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;47641982]I don't think we should kill this guy, I think he should be put to experimentation so that we can figure out what the hell is wrong with him. Not to help him or "reinstate him to society", but literally just to know how the hell this guy can even "function", what thoughts are even going through his head. To figure out what on earth posessed him to something like this - continously at that.
Like, I'm sitting here trying to work it out and this guy is a total enigma. I'm drawing blanks. I'm absolutely fascinated by the human mind, I love everything about it and I love studying it and working out the wonders of the brain - but I can't even process this, I don't even know where to [I]start[/I]. All I can think is: [I][B][U]WHY?[/U][/B][/I]
My brain is like a library, okay? Open all day, closes at night. And my thoughts are like people, coming in and finding facts and sources to get information and opinions.
But this specific thought, it steps up to the doors and they just close. Immediately. And the thought wonders why. And the guards say "There's nothing for you here."
And that [I]never [/I]happens. I've never been this dumbfounded and unable to even begin to understand. [I]HELP[/I].
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[I]Also I might just have made the best analogy ever.[/I][/QUOTE]
because it feels good on his penis and it makes him cum, it's not that complicated
he just doesn't feel compassion or give a fuck about others
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47650615]
IDK why would you be so empathic towards child rapist but not invest even a half of that energy towards homeless people for example. If it's with absolutely certainty confirmed that he did the act including undeniable evidence, then off with him.[/QUOTE]
I don't give a shit about child rapists but I do give a shit about how law is exercised. My morals tell me that law should not have the ability to legally execute people for any crime. Death penalty is something we need to drop forever if we want to progress further. It causes too many innocent lives lost. As long as death penalty cases can't with 100% accuracy determine if the person is guilty, I will be against such practices.
[QUOTE=Whiplash~;47649719]Why no death penalty? I mean seriously, why not? Sure, we could try reforming him, but is it really worth it? We could use those resources for something worthwhile.
He raped a fucking baby. I don't want these people walking the streets, regardless if they're "reformed" or not. Do you?[/QUOTE]
Because the UK has progressed into the modern world and said "Gee, we really shouldn't execute people". And besides, there's no way he is ever walking the streets again, he's going to get life without parole in a maximum security prision.
The US is one of TWO Industrialized Democracies that still has the death penalty, the other being Japan. The only nations to execute more people than the US are China (number is guarded as a state secret, thought to be 1000 people or more), Iran, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. There is absolutely bo reason for the death penalty to exist.
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