• Police tackle High School Girl for not handing over her phone
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[quote]Student cell phone use is prohibited at Sam Houston High. Students caught using cell phones are required to give their phones to school officials. They must then pay a fine at the end of the day to get their phones back.[/quote] what a load of bullshit.
she was probably being a public danger and the police had to subdue her
Coming from the Australian education system, all these stories come off as if you're all from some completely different world. Reading stories about [B]4th graders[/B] being charged and given community service/probation, police aggression and apathy, and confiscation of personal property with a fine to have it returned makes me think that your schooling system has some real problems. JoeSkylynx: First off, a 4th grader being charged for what? An argument? I'm not even sure what crime you 'committed'. Especially with the facts of the case I'd expect the charges to be dropped outright. Something like that happening here would give the media a huge field day, literally all over the news and the cop would be sacked and possibly charged with a crime. That level of restraint and brutality by trained police officers against a 4th grader in that situation seems absurd. The fact that your high school made a decision about your well-being like that on a whim, is further reason for concern. This news story situation just goes to show how ludicrous police action can be in schools. The massive levels of security in some schools comes off as a worry to me, because it shows there are deep-seated problems that need dealing with, but instead security is put in place to keep people in line. However, I can understand that with the difference in culture and laws, heightened security may be a reasonable precaution. On the contrary however, due to the level of which it is used and the policies that are enforced, it seems more like schools are becoming riddled with staff and people who simply don't give a damn and don't care enough to take matters with enough maturity and consideration as they deserve. The fact that personal property (in this case a cell phone) can be confiscated by the school and a fine be required to be payed before it is returned, and to have this backed up by the legal side of things appears to be a ridiculous policy intended to generate revenue as well as keep students in line with a dystopian styled system. Far more reasonable, intelligent and more acceptable policies and rules should be used, rather than the current issues that I can see, and much improvement can be made in regards to some of these rules. For example, confiscate a phone if you see them with it, sure. If they don't comply move forward with detentions or suspensions. But don't charge them money to get it back, it's their property and they are entitled to it. A better idea would be to have it so their parent or guardian must collect it for them. That way their parents are notified and are able to have a talk with their child about their education and enforce their own penalties. However, I understand that this sort of thing isn't the norm, but the fact that it occurs so frequently, or at all really and isn't a major news story astounds me, and shows that there is much work to be done within the US to improve the quality of life for all citizens.
I have never heard of anyone being fined for refusing to hand over their cell phone to their school administration. I'm having a real hard time believing some of this stuff.
In Poland it's the exact opposite. Basically everyone does whatever the fuck he wants and teachers can't really do shit unless it's on their own account. Which usually works, and the teacher gets in trouble but in the end nobody cares probably because everyone knows that's the only way. Police and School never have any contact, ever. Even when we've had drug dealers and a OD at our [I]middle school[/I] the only rule we got was we couldn't take medication to school without telling our guardian teacher, which honestly everbody forgot about like 1 week after the incident. It was basically only ever brought up when a teacher was upset at a student and wanted to fuck him over, and could use this as argument when nothing else could be done. So everything was up to the teacher really.
why didn't they just shoot her in the arm? God, she would have dropped the dangerous cell phone, and all the problems would have been solved stupid police learn 2 aim.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45958062]:words:[/QUOTE] Holy. Fuck. I hope you filed a lawsuit.
Well, we might as well introduce kids early to the kind of treatment they can expect from the police. Really, involving police in schools, as resource officers or otherwise, is a TERRIBLE idea. It serves no useful purpose except to funnel children into the criminal justice system right out of school and prevent them from ever having a shot at a real life. Not every schoolyard fight or joint found in a locker warrants handcuffs and a trip to jail. But, schools are so hyper-paranoid about liability and bad kids dragging down test scores that they LOVE having cops in schools that will make the problem kids not their problem anymore.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45958091]The teacher should have no business stealing someone else's property regardless of the length of time. If someone is being a twat with their cell phone, kick both them and their cell phone out of the class.[/QUOTE] It's not stealing if you give it to them If you refuse to give it, you get sent to the deans
[QUOTE=Crash155;45960293][QUOTE=Zeke129;45958091]The teacher should have no business stealing someone else's property regardless of the length of time. If someone is being a twat with their cell phone, kick both them and their cell phone out of the class.[/QUOTE] It's not stealing if you give it to them If you refuse to give it, you get sent to the deans[/QUOTE] oh so all muggings are legal? after all, you're giving them your valuables,
[QUOTE=dvc;45960447]oh so all muggings are legal? after all, you're giving them your valuables,[/QUOTE] so giving your phone to a teacher (AND BEING ABLE TO FET IT BACK AFTER CLASS) is equal to getting mugged and not getting your shit back at all okay buddy
[QUOTE=proch;45959746]In Poland it's the exact opposite. Basically everyone does whatever the fuck he wants and teachers can't really do shit unless it's on their own account. Which usually works, and the teacher gets in trouble but in the end nobody cares probably because everyone knows that's the only way. Police and School never have any contact, ever. Even when we've had drug dealers and a OD at our [I]middle school[/I] the only rule we got was we couldn't take medication to school without telling our guardian teacher, which honestly everbody forgot about like 1 week after the incident. It was basically only ever brought up when a teacher was upset at a student and wanted to fuck him over, and could use this as argument when nothing else could be done. So everything was up to the teacher really.[/QUOTE] And it's great.
[QUOTE=bbddi;45958858]can i ask what school you went to or at least what part of az? no offense but i have a hard time believing you were tackled, given community service, put on probation for 2 years, given constant half days and criminally charged with "disturbing the peace" just for knocking over a book and filing a formal complaint that you were being harassed/assaulted at school on a regular basis. from personal experience i understand arizona schools are completely fucking retarded but i feel you're definitely omitting some major details[/QUOTE] I'm not sure about Arizona, but in Texas, he can be charged with crimes if he's above 10 years old. If you're under 10, then your parents get charged.
Texas. That is all. Remember, the community pays to have this enforcement. If you think the US is a police state then you need to visit North Korea, China, Russia, or anywhere in the middle east. You've became ignorant if you think is a police state when really we have the most freedom of anyone in the world. We're very lucky to have the freedoms we have.
[QUOTE=Crash155;45961709]so giving your phone to a teacher (AND BEING ABLE TO FET IT BACK AFTER CLASS) is equal to getting mugged and not getting your shit back at all okay buddy[/QUOTE] having to pay to get it back* in this schools case. i think being threatened with some type of punishment for not handing over your phone then paying money to get it back is very comparable to mugging, not as severe, but still in the same boat.
eh at my highschool there was a officer there for when people got in to fights to help get them off and away from each other and then arrest them.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;45962393]Texas. That is all. Remember, the community pays to have this enforcement. If you think the US is a police state then you need to visit North Korea, China, Russia, or anywhere in the middle east. [B]You've became ignorant if you think is a police state when really we have the most freedom of anyone in the world. [/B]We're very lucky to have the freedoms we have[B].[/B][/QUOTE] No.
When watching the video, I get the feeling they're implying something when they're playing "All Apologies" in the background.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45962855]No.[/QUOTE] says the man living under a consitutional monarchy
[QUOTE=Code3Response;45962923]says the man living under a monarchy[/QUOTE] I'd take a monarchy over the shit we have now any day.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;45962393]when really we have the most freedom of anyone in the world[/QUOTE] lol no most of the Western world has similar if not better situations than us
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45958869]I lived in the Catalina Foothills of Tucson, AZ and went to as you can guess, the Catalina Foothills School District. Also it's two separated incidents. The first incident was in relation to the 4th Grade, second incident was the 7th Grade. The only detail I'm ommitting is for the second story is where I was in discussion with the principle and because of the instance of me threatening the people on the bus, they questioned the validity of my story. As also said later in the post, the officer who was called to have me charged for disturbing the peace pretty much told them to go fuck themselves, and from there the district played in the dark.[/QUOTE] Why were the police busting through the doors with guns raised in 4th grade in the first place? You forgot to mention why they would do that initially since I doubt they did that because you just had an argument with a classmate
did you know: schools in the us can search a student without a warrant, as per most school's policies the student's parents agree to?
[QUOTE=Code3Response;45962923]says the man living under a consitutional monarchy[/QUOTE] That was a pretty awesome zinger, but you'll note that I didn't suggest that the UK is any better; I just said the the USA isn't the best. That aside, people love to suggest that the monarchy is somehow oppressive, but I've never actually seen any say anything with more meat to it than (but we all know monarchies are bad!). The fact that Head of State isn't an electoral position is about as close as you can get to a solid argument, but being the Head of State doesn't even mean anything at this point.
[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;45957919]Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that the school gets the right to search your stuff without your consent[/QUOTE] The student handbook makes this all too clear at the schools I've been to. Not sure why most students don't bother reading it.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;45963328]The student handbook makes this all too clear at the schools I've been to. Not sure why most students don't bother reading it.[/QUOTE] Uhm, I'm not entirely up to date with US education, but in the UK at least you have to be at school, apprenticeship or such until 18, what alternative do you get given?
[QUOTE=ben1066;45963348]Uhm, I'm not entirely up to date with US education, but in the UK at least you have to be at school, apprenticeship or such until 18, what alternative do you get given?[/QUOTE] I honestly don't know. I just lived my high school life holding my handbook almost religiously. Because of this, I didn't get to know the consequences personally.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;45958735]By "tipping a few books over by accident" in policestate USA[/QUOTE] This is a joke. You're not going to be tackled by a cop followed by parole as a 4th grader because you knocked over some books. No matter how stupid the cop is, the judge will not be. There's a reason so many of these stories seem so one-sided and just coincidentally the guy telling us the story also happens to be completely innocent, self-denial that still persists to this day over what happened (evident when new details 'emerge' when someone presses the OP for more info).
[QUOTE=Blackfire76;45959571]Coming from the Australian education system, all these stories come off as if you're all from some completely different world. Reading stories about [B]4th graders[/B] being charged and given community service/probation, police aggression and apathy, and confiscation of personal property with a fine to have it returned makes me think that your schooling system has some real problems. JoeSkylynx: First off, a 4th grader being charged for what? An argument? I'm not even sure what crime you 'committed'. Especially with the facts of the case I'd expect the charges to be dropped outright. Something like that happening here would give the media a huge field day, literally all over the news and the cop would be sacked and possibly charged with a crime. That level of restraint and brutality by trained police officers against a 4th grader in that situation seems absurd. The fact that your high school made a decision about your well-being like that on a whim, is further reason for concern. This news story situation just goes to show how ludicrous police action can be in schools. The massive levels of security in some schools comes off as a worry to me, because it shows there are deep-seated problems that need dealing with, but instead security is put in place to keep people in line. However, I can understand that with the difference in culture and laws, heightened security may be a reasonable precaution. On the contrary however, due to the level of which it is used and the policies that are enforced, it seems more like schools are becoming riddled with staff and people who simply don't give a damn and don't care enough to take matters with enough maturity and consideration as they deserve. The fact that personal property (in this case a cell phone) can be confiscated by the school and a fine be required to be payed before it is returned, and to have this backed up by the legal side of things appears to be a ridiculous policy intended to generate revenue as well as keep students in line with a dystopian styled system. Far more reasonable, intelligent and more acceptable policies and rules should be used, rather than the current issues that I can see, and much improvement can be made in regards to some of these rules. For example, confiscate a phone if you see them with it, sure. If they don't comply move forward with detentions or suspensions. But don't charge them money to get it back, it's their property and they are entitled to it. A better idea would be to have it so their parent or guardian must collect it for them. That way their parents are notified and are able to have a talk with their child about their education and enforce their own penalties. However, I understand that this sort of thing isn't the norm, but the fact that it occurs so frequently, or at all really and isn't a major news story astounds me, and shows that there is much work to be done within the US to improve the quality of life for all citizens.[/QUOTE] With what you just said, I do strongly agree with what you said, but actions need to be taken then just words... is there any movement what so ever to change the united stats education? as of right now, all i'm here how awful it is but nobody talking about how to solve and take actions to make it happen.
[QUOTE=doom1337;45963048]Why were the police busting through the doors with guns raised in 4th grade in the first place? You forgot to mention why they would do that initially since I doubt they did that because you just had an argument with a classmate[/QUOTE] As I mentioned previously, they were on campus grounds in part to a string of attempted kidnappings around the school. They hear a kid got into an argument with his classmates and walked off, and for some reason they come after me. No clue why :v: [editline]12th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Starpluck;45963524]This is a joke. You're not going to be tackled by a cop followed by parole as a 4th grader because you knocked over some books. No matter how stupid the cop is, the judge will not be. There's a reason so many of these stories seem so one-sided and just coincidentally the guy telling us the story also happens to be completely innocent, self-denial that still persists to this day over what happened (evident when new details 'emerge' when someone presses the OP for more info).[/QUOTE] What "new details" have I put up that are just more-or-less clarifications of certain things people are asking?
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