• Police tackle High School Girl for not handing over her phone
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[QUOTE=Starpluck;45963524]This is a joke. You're not going to be tackled by a cop followed by parole as a 4th grader because you knocked over some books. No matter how stupid the cop is, the judge will not be. There's a reason so many of these stories seem so one-sided and just coincidentally the guy telling us the story also happens to be completely innocent, self-denial that still persists to this day over what happened (evident when new details 'emerge' when someone presses the OP for more info).[/QUOTE] Yeah, "got in an argument and left to cool down" can easily mean "got into a brawl in the middle of class and stormed off when I heard the cops were coming" Generally it can be assumed tackling a forth grader is a bit over the top, but I wouldn't believe all the story either.
what the fuck some of these schools are really messed up compared to the ones I've gone to in the north east-coast.
[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;45957919]Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that the school gets the right to search your stuff without your consent[/QUOTE] Nope, not without probable cause and/or a warrant. Probably cause isn't suspicion, they have to have an actual reason, such as a drug dog saying you have drugs or if you were reported by someone as being dangerous/they saw a weapon in your bag/you talked about shooting up the school/you were caught on camera dealing drugs or something. They cannot just search your stuff without consent unless a police officer legally could search your stuff without consent, there is a supreme court case that covers when that is acceptable, I don't remember it off the top of my head. The school cannot just go around breaking into cars and stealing students' bags for the sake of searching them, that is 100% illegal. This doesn't apply to lockers though, as lockers are the school's property and anything in them is free ground to search as they please, this is often where people get confused with the school's right to search your stuff, if you put it in a locker, you can have it searched with no warrant needed. [editline]12th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Map in a box;45963118]did you know: schools in the us can search a student without a warrant, as per most school's policies the student's parents agree to?[/QUOTE] This also depends on age, and your parents can consent for a search, however they must be notified of the request to make said search. I cannot attest to your parents signing a legal document to always waive that right as that doesn't happen in any school in my state, however that doesn't mean it couldn't happen elsewhere to my knowledge. The rights of minors is an incredibly tricky field. TL;DR: Lockers: Can be searched for any reason Cars: Consent/Warrant/Probable cause (sometimes if you wish to park in the school's parking lot you do sign a legal document which allows them the freedom to search your car, sort of like a locker. Usually this is only done with probable cause/drug dogs and such.) Backpacks: Consent/Warrant/Probable cause Persons: Consent/Warrant/Probable cause
[QUOTE=darkedone02;45963721]With what you just said, I do strongly agree with what you said, but actions need to be taken then just words... is there any movement what so ever to change the united stats education? as of right now, all i'm here how awful it is but nobody talking about how to solve and take actions to make it happen.[/QUOTE] A movement can't start itself, but you can get people's support with words. What really needs to happen is congress to hire a panel of trained, qualified, independent experts to investigate the education system and respond with a report of how to improve things. While there are many problems, with some requiring simple fixes like a small change in policy, some issues are much bigger and need to be addressed by professionals and experts in their field.
This somehow reminds me of this (Oh I'm going to get dumb'd for this.) [video=youtube;RJ_PwD0gOSo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ_PwD0gOSo[/video]
A pretty gross overuse of power here, but to be fair a lot of times it seems like kids in middle/high school would literally kill their own parents rather than be forced to give over their phones. There are so many times I remember in high school where students were being incredibly obnoxious with their phones, and the teacher asks for it. Instead of just politely handing it over, knowing that the teacher will be lenient against the school's "make the parents come pick it up" policy and just give it back at the end of class, so many simply out right refused and escalated the situation until they were stuck with an in school suspension or worse. One girl began screaming at the teacher about it in the middle of class, which not only means that she had to turn her phone in but she also had to be checked out by administrators to see if she was a violent individual that should be allowed in the school. Obviously this is absolutely ridiculous to tackle her and knee her repeatedly in the head over something like that, but honestly every single person knows by now that when you take your phone out and use it in class and the teacher cracks down on you that you are in the wrong and should either put your phone away or relinquish it if the teacher orders so. Unless you're specifically trying to send out a message about harsh school policies or something (which I doubt she was doing) there's no reason to go all the way to the vice-principle over you using your phone. Again, that's no excuse for two police officers to go grid-iron on her, but I just wanted to rant a bit about how retarded some people are about using their phones.
[QUOTE=draugur;45964679]Nope, not without probable cause and/or a warrant. Probably cause isn't suspicion, they have to have an actual reason, such as a drug dog saying you have drugs or if you were reported by someone as being dangerous/they saw a weapon in your bag/you talked about shooting up the school/you were caught on camera dealing drugs or something. They cannot just search your stuff without consent unless a police officer legally could search your stuff without consent, there is a supreme court case that covers when that is acceptable, I don't remember it off the top of my head. The school cannot just go around breaking into cars and stealing students' bags for the sake of searching them, that is 100% illegal. This doesn't apply to lockers though, as lockers are the school's property and anything in them is free ground to search as they please, this is often where people get confused with the school's right to search your stuff, if you put it in a locker, you can have it searched with no warrant needed. [editline]12th September 2014[/editline] This also depends on age, and your parents can consent for a search, however they must be notified of the request to make said search. I cannot attest to your parents signing a legal document to always waive that right as that doesn't happen in any school in my state, however that doesn't mean it couldn't happen elsewhere to my knowledge. The rights of minors is an incredibly tricky field. TL;DR: Lockers: Can be searched for any reason Cars: Consent/Warrant/Probable cause (sometimes if you wish to park in the school's parking lot you do sign a legal document which allows them the freedom to search your car, sort of like a locker. Usually this is only done with probable cause/drug dogs and such.) Backpacks: Consent/Warrant/Probable cause Persons: Consent/Warrant/Probable cause[/QUOTE] Not true, it's different for students than it is normal persons outside of school. Staff require a "reasonable suspicion" rather than "probable cause". This is because it is their responsibility to provide a safe and educational environment while you're under their care. Anything on their property is fair game. The only time the bar would be raised in regards to students is strip searching. You can't strip search students over petty shit. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_v._T._L._O[/url]. [quote=Wikipedia]The Supreme Court of the United States, in a 6-3 decision issued by Justice White, between the individual's—even a child's—legitimate expectation of privacy and the school's interest in maintaining order and discipline, held for the appellant (state). According to school officials, they do require a "reasonable suspicion" to perform a search. In a separate, concurring opinion, Justice Powell (joined by Justice O'Connor) stated that while he agreed with the Court's opinion, he felt that students in primary and secondary educational settings should not be afforded the same level of protection for search and seizures as adults and juveniles in non-school settings. [/quote] [quote=Justice Byron White]“Schoolchildren have legitimate expectations of privacy…. But striking the balance between schoolchildren's legitimate expectations of privacy and the school's equally legitimate need to maintain an environment in which learning can take place requires some easing of the restrictions to which searches by public authorities are ordinarily subject.”[/quote] The standard regarding the 4th Amendment is lower for students, whether you like it or not. [QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;45960271]Well, we might as well introduce kids early to the kind of treatment they can expect from the police. Really, involving police in schools, as resource officers or otherwise, is a TERRIBLE idea. It serves no useful purpose except to funnel children into the criminal justice system right out of school and prevent them from ever having a shot at a real life. Not every schoolyard fight or joint found in a locker warrants handcuffs and a trip to jail. But, schools are so hyper-paranoid about liability and bad kids dragging down test scores that they LOVE having cops in schools that will make the problem kids not their problem anymore.[/QUOTE] It's not that bad like you're trying to make it seem. Believe it or not, but resource officers often do a lot of outreach to troubled kids. Dealing with fights and truancy isn't their entire job like you're implying, it really isn't. Yeah, sometimes they drag some kid that got in a scuffle out in cuffs, but it doesn't always end in an actual arrest or charges, it's largely to get them to cool down and get them out of the area (they often take them straight home), and considering zero tolerance policies they were going to be suspended anyway. Don't demonize resource officers, their job isn't entirely about making some poor student's life miserable.
The german education lacks funds and teachers, that really sucks, but reading how things are in USA, makes me almost stop complaining.
This thread made me remember how great the cops were at my schools. They were never really needed, just there. Sometimes they'd do things for the students, like take a few sodas from the staff lounge and give to kids and whatnot. Not to mention they acted more like counselors then the actual school counselors were. Yeah, believe it. Students actually talked to the school cops one on one. Only one school I visited nearby wasn't like this. Denbigh High School. The cops were actually needed. Fights broke out almost all the time, students were sneaking in weapons, it was just.. bad. And for the record, I only went to public schools, except for my elementary school, that was a magnet. Parents took me out of that because the local magnet school for middle school was downright terrible. TL;DR not all cops are bad, and not all the time they're needed, but when they are, you're glad they're there.
[QUOTE=Coolboy;45966397]The german education lacks funds and teachers, that really sucks, but reading how things are in USA, makes me almost stop complaining.[/QUOTE] judging an entire system or government by a couple fuckups in seperate cities that are thousands of miles apart in almost completely different cultures is kinda ignorant.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;45961821]I'm not sure about Arizona, but in Texas, he can be charged with crimes if he's above 10 years old. If you're under 10, then your parents get charged.[/QUOTE] i dont mean the legality of charging a minor i just mean i highly doubt poor innocent joeskylinx tripped on a book and they strapped him to the electric chair within 30 seconds
not all but majority of cops think they can do anything they want :(
[QUOTE=SexualShark;45957420]this said police department probably sends SWAT to rescue cats from trees.[/QUOTE] Said SWAT has been instructed to piledrive the cat into the fucking ground then douse it in pepper spray.
[QUOTE=Gamerman12;45999930]judging an entire system or government by a couple fuckups in seperate cities that are thousands of miles apart in almost completely different cultures is kinda ignorant.[/QUOTE] Sorry to appear ignorant, but I just don't take the single fuckups into consideration, I mean, the crippling debt for higher education, zero tolerance, etc. Not judging anybody/anything, I never visited the US, just surprised and all. Stories like this just stick in the memory, I am sure you can get good results out of everything
[QUOTE=Gamerman12;45999930]judging an entire system or government by a couple fuckups in seperate cities that are thousands of miles apart in almost completely different cultures is kinda ignorant.[/QUOTE] Stories like this seem to be a monthly occurrence for the US, just saying you don't hear of any shit like this going down in Europe.
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