• Mother Shoots 2 at State Office, Then Kills Herself
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[QUOTE=Protocol7;33614373]The fact is that the woman shouldn't be brought to that point, ever. What sickens me is I've seen people pay with foodstamps before... then pull out a fucking iPhone. How the fuck can you afford an iPhone but not fucking food?[/QUOTE] Even better are the dipshits like what a friend of mine saw in front of a gas station, selling $20 worth of food stamps for $20 "so he could buy food for his daughter". WAT
[QUOTE=Protocol7;33614373]The fact is that the woman shouldn't be brought to that point, ever. What sickens me is I've seen people pay with foodstamps before... then pull out a fucking iPhone. How the fuck can you afford an iPhone but not fucking food?[/QUOTE] Well you can go from middle class to poverty very quickly in this economy. In two years my family had to move 3 times and my dad lost 2 jobs. We used foodstamps when he was between jobs. We weren't expecting he'd lose a job(infact he was the first person to be fired from that company in 80 years, because of the economy). They could've bought the iphone and been sucked into a contract, not knowing where they'd end up in the near future. [editline]7th December 2011[/editline] I just wonder why she would shoot her kids in a potentially non-fatal way if her plans were to "give them mercy" instead of torture them.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;33615178]Right, the system is broken, and needs fixing, but the system being broken isn't an excuse to kill your children, then yourself.[/QUOTE] No one said anything about it being an excuse, rather an explanation. Why do people think it's the same thing? [editline]7th December 2011[/editline] To the guy above Me: she probably didn't have gun training. She wasn't in a clear state of mind anyways.
god that is so sad
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;33615629]Even better are the dipshits like what a friend of mine saw in front of a gas station, selling $20 worth of food stamps for $20 "so he could buy food for his daughter". WAT[/QUOTE] They should just come out and say they are selling foodstamps for money to buy crack. Prioritizing Fail
Jesus Oh hey I live in San Antonio
Shame she snapped like that. Lets hope the kids turn out somewhat ok
This wasn't in SA, it was in a small city down south. [url]http://www.pro8news.com/news/local/Family-Involved-in-the-Hostage-Situation-Lived-in-Extreme-Poverty-135147963.html[/url] one of the children was using facebook during hostage situation [url]http://www.pro8news.com/news/local/Girl-in-hostage-situation-may-have-posted-on-Facebook-during-altercation-135148318.html[/url]
[QUOTE=furious_d;33614357]And now the kids have to live with no mother. :([/QUOTE] When they recover they will, most likely, be placed in a much better home then what they had before, they will be mentally scared for life after this but at the very least they [I]should[/I] get raised correctly from here on out.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;33614852]Killing her children, and herself, is justifiable because she was hungry? She never should have reached that point, no one should have, and she shouldn't had to have starved to death, but she shouldn't kill herself or her children, that is never the answer to anything.[/QUOTE] You totally miss the point. It's not about the "right answer," it's about starving and being allowed to starve, despite asking for help. It's not about what "point" she "should have reached." It's about what happens to mind when the body is starving; what happens when your offspring are starving, as well. It has nothing to do with what she "should" have done, and clearly that point went way over your head. Sounds like you haven't gone a single day without food in your entire life.
[quote]The 12-year old daughter of Rachelle Grimmer, who was shot by her mother after she was refused food stamps, has died from her injuries. Ramie Grimmer died in hospital in San Antonio, Texas. where her 10-year-old brother remains in a critical condition, according to Laredo police spokesperson Joe Baeza. Facebook During the siege, the 12-year-old Ramie had frequently updated her Facebook, eerily predicted that she "may die 2day." Her final update was posted around an hour before she was shot, saying : “tear gas seriasly (sic)." The girl's grandmother commented on her last update with the words: "I'm here for you guys. No reason to be afraid." Ms Grimmer, 38, took her two children to the Texas Department of Health and Human Services Commission office in Laredo and demanded to see a supervisor after being denied food stamps since July. She then pulled out a handgun and threatened several employees, holding two of them hostage until a supervisor persuaded her to let them go. They then retreated to another room with the children while police evacuated about 25 workers from the building. After failing to negotiate with police, Ms Grimmer shot her two children and killed herself after the siege ended in a deadlock. The children's other grandmother has since said that her daughter-in-law had a history of mental problems leading up to the incident. Mary Lee Shepherd, the mother of the children's father, Dale Grimmer, said Rachelle's problems extended beyond trying to feed the children. "My son knew she was mentally ill and tried to get her help," she said. The pair divorced several years ago and the mother and her two children had recently moved to Laredo from Zensville, Ohio. The mother made her first application for food stamps in July and was rejected for failing to supply sufficient information. In addition to filling out an 18-page application, families seeking food stamps are required to provide information such as proof of employment and residency. A spokesperson for the Texas Health and Human Services Commission said they had tried to contact Rachelle Grimmer several times before closing her case on 1 August.[/quote] [url]http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/263594/20111208/rachelle-grimmer-s-daughter-dies-predicting-death.htm[/url]
Why the kids? Stupid cunt..
[QUOTE=EpikEnvy2.0;33625950][url]http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/263594/20111208/rachelle-grimmer-s-daughter-dies-predicting-death.htm[/url][/QUOTE] Damnit :(
[QUOTE=Spybreak;33614315]Why the fuck can people afford guns and ammo, but not a box of friggin Top Ramen..?[/QUOTE] Why do people make the decision to have children when they can't afford to support them, and why are they allowed to? [editline]8th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;33614259]I want food stamps to feed my children! Won't give me food stamps? then I'll just kill them and me. that'll solve my problems![/QUOTE] You talk about how it wasn't the answer but I don't see you suggesting alternatives.
[QUOTE=GodKing;33626453]Why do people make the decision to have children when they can't afford to support them, and why are they allowed to?[/QUOTE] Her kids are 12 and 10 years old, she obviously wasn't always in a tough financial situation
[QUOTE=wewt!;33626471]Her kids are 12 and 10 years old, she obviously wasn't always in a tough financial situation[/QUOTE] How do you know that? Plenty of children have made it to 10 years old in poverty.
You can buy a can of beans for like, 40-60 cents (if you buy the no-name brands)
[QUOTE=GodKing;33626483]How do you know that? Plenty of children have made it to 10 years old in poverty.[/QUOTE] Um, because it's the most likely option, occams razor and all. The recession started in '08, remember?
[QUOTE=furious_d;33614357]And now the kids have to live with no mother. :([/QUOTE] better than living with a clearly unstable one imo
[QUOTE=wewt!;33626541]The recession started in '08, remember?[/QUOTE] True, but what I said still stands.
[QUOTE=GodKing;33626755]True, but what I said still stands.[/QUOTE] it's just far less likely to be the case in this context and when it comes to it being a general statement, it's not a very accurate description of what situation most poor parents are really in
[QUOTE=EpikEnvy2.0;33625950][url]http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/263594/20111208/rachelle-grimmer-s-daughter-dies-predicting-death.htm[/url][/QUOTE] Goddamn. If that boy survives he'll be the only one left.
I'm not sure on how the health system works in the US. But hasn't she basically fucked the kids over financially for a few years? If they're so poor I could imagine they may not be able to afford health insurance. So doesn't that leave the kids to have to pay off the medical bills from being shot, later in their life?
The girl died yesterday
At least she might get a job in hell.
[QUOTE=Lol-Nade;33626532]You can buy a can of beans for like, 40-60 cents (if you buy the no-name brands)[/QUOTE] can of beans won't feed a family
[QUOTE=Lol-Nade;33626532]You can buy a can of beans for like, 40-60 cents (if you buy the no-name brands)[/QUOTE] You can buy a can of beans now but to raise a small family when you're getting paid almost nothing for about 10 more years is another story. Besides, beans only provide protein therefore they don't have all the nutrients you need to lead a healthy life. Sort of off topic but I was listening to a song about a drive by shooting and accidentally hitting a kid when I read this thread.
[QUOTE=Spybreak;33614315]Why the fuck can people afford guns and ammo, but not a box of friggin Top Ramen..?[/QUOTE] You do realize that guns aren't that expensive to get your hands on,right?
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;33614259]I want food stamps to feed my children! Won't give me food stamps? then I'll just kill them and me. that'll solve my problems![/QUOTE] Always defeats the option #2: Starving to death. Well, you know; Its when your body literally eats itself due to lack of food, and you finally die.
The second child has died. [quote]Authorities say a 10-year-old boy shot by his mother during a standoff in a Texas welfare office on Monday has died. Timothy and his sister, 12-year-old Raime Grimmer were both shot by their mother before she shot and killed herself. The children's 38-year-old mother Rachelle Grimmer killed herself after staging a seven-hour standoff with police. Raime, who died Wednesday, had posted chilling messages on Facebook during her mother's standoff with police after she was denied food stamps. Ramie apparently posted "may die 2day" on her Facebook page during the standoff. The children's grandmother spoke out Wednesday, describing her former daughter-in-law as having mental problems. Mary Lee Shepherd said Rachelle Grimmer had problems beyond trying to feed her family. "My son knew she was mentally ill and tried to get her help," said Shepherd, who lives in Helena, Mont. Shepherd said her son Dale Grimmer was flying Wednesday from Montana to San Antonio to be with the children. Dale and Rachelle Grimmer divorced six or seven years ago, after Rachelle and the children moved from Montana to Ohio, Shepherd said. Dale Grimmer also moved to Ohio and was able to visit the children from time to time, but Rachelle Grimmer moved and did not inform him or the court, Shepherd said. Shepherd said she or her son contacted social workers in Montana twice and in Ohio once because they were concerned that Rachelle Grimmer could harm the children. Shepherd declined to detail her former daughter-in-law's mental problems or say what caused them to make those calls. Shepherd's claims could not immediately be verified Wednesday with state child welfare officials in Montana and Ohio. However, Texas Department of Family and Protective Services reported finding two cases Wednesday involving Grimmer and her children. In the first case, reported Sept. 15, 2010, the department received a possible neglect report after Rachelle Grimmer and her two children were found living in a tent on a South Texas beach. Investigators found no evidence of neglect and closed the case, spokesman Patrick Crimmins said. In a report made last June, Corpus Christi police said Rachelle Grimmer had come to police headquarters with her two children and reported that she had been a domestic violence victim. Caseworkers checked on her and the children, determined the children were not at risk and took no further action, Crimmins said. The findings had been delayed until Wednesday because Grimmer's surname had been spelled differently in the department database, and she was listed under a different first name, Crimmins said. The shooting took place at a Texas Department of Health and Human Services building in Laredo, where police said about 25 people were inside at the time. During the standoff, Rachelle Grimmer allegedly told police negotiators a litany of complaints against state and federal government agencies. The woman first applied for food stamps in July but was denied because she didn't turn in enough information, Texas Department of Health and Human Services spokeswoman Stephanie Goodman said. Goodman didn't know what Grimmer specifically failed to provide. In addition to completing an 18-page application, families seeking state benefits also must provide documents proving their information, such as proof of employment and residency. "We were still waiting, and if we had that, I don't know if she would still qualify or not," Goodman said. Goodman said Grimmer's last contact with the agency appeared to be a phone call in mid-November. When the family entered the Laredo office on Monday shortly before 5 p.m., Goodman said Grimmer asked to speak to a new caseworker, and not the one whom she worked with previously. Shortly thereafter, Goodman said, Grimmer was taken to a private room to discuss her case. She said it was there the mother revealed a gun and the standoff began. Police negotiators stayed on the phone with Grimmer throughout the evening, but she kept hanging up, Laredo police investigator Joe Baeza said. Despite those complaints, Baeza said it wasn't clear what specifically triggered the standoff. "This wasn't like a knee-jerk reaction," said Baeza, adding that Grimmer felt she was owed restitution of some sort. Grimmer let a supervisor go unharmed around 7:45, but stayed inside the office with her children. After hanging up the phone around 11:45, police heard three shots, and police entered the building. Inside, they found Grimmer's body and her two wounded children. The children were "very critical" and unconscious when taken from the scene, Baeza said. Goodman credited an office supervisor, a 24-year veteran of the agency, for ensuring the release of the other employees. "He had told her he would try to help her, and that if she would let everyone else leave, he would talk to her," Goodman said. Goodman didn't know whether Grimmer had a job, or whether her children were covered under Medicaid welfare services or the state children's health insurance program. Grimmer also appeared to fall out of touch during her pursuit of food stamps. The mother originally applied July 7, but Goodman said Grimmer missed her first interview and didn't call back and reschedule for a few weeks. Her case was closed Aug. 8 for lack of a full application, Goodman said. How much food stamp money a family receives depends on their income level. The average family on food stamps in Texas receives $294 a month. Three months later, Grimmer called the agency's ombudsman Nov. 16 and requested a review of how her rejected case was handled. Goodman said the agency found that caseworkers acted appropriately after looking over Grimmer's file, and a supervisor called Grimmer's cell phone last Thursday to tell her the outcome. No one answered and the phone's voicemail box was full, Goodman said. "The indications she had, she was dealing with a lot of issues," Goodman said. State welfare offices have come under scrutiny in the past for being overburdened, but Goodman said the agency has made significant strides in the past three years. She said wait times are shorter, and that Grimmer was scheduled for her initial interview just one day after applying. Grimmer didn't make the appointment, she said. Goodman said it's not unusual for caseworkers to confront angry or confused benefit-seekers, but that it's very rare for a situation to escalate to violence.[/quote] [url]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/12/07/2-children-in-critical-condition-after-shot-by-mother-inside-texas-welfare/[/url]
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