Bill Cosby bust removed from Walt Disney World after online petition grabs attention - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lambeth;48152579]I think he was joking[/QUOTE] With how liberally people use the word Censorship any more, I can't tell.

[QUOTE=Paramud;48152547]What next, is Nick@Nite gonna cancel the Cosby Show reruns? Is eBay gonna pull everything with his face down? Man censorship has gotten crazy these days. Puddinpops not hate[/QUOTE] I know you're parodying the confederate flag scandal but I hope they do. We, as society, should not put rapists on pedestals.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48152619]I know you're parodying the confederate flag scandal but I hope they do. We, as society, should not put rapists on pedestals.[/QUOTE] According to Wikipedia, The Cosby show hasn't been on Nick@Nite since 2010.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48152121]Attempt rape still makes you a rapist in my eyes even if you didn't actually commit the act of rape.[/QUOTE] Not to be snarky or anything, but would you say the same for murderers and attempted murder? [QUOTE=Fangz;48152663]According to Wikipedia, The Cosby show hasn't been on Nick@Nite since 2010.[/QUOTE] [I]they knew[/I]

[QUOTE=Blazedol;48152679]Not to be snarky or anything, but would you say the same for murderers and attempted murder? [I]they knew[/I][/QUOTE] I would say the same. Trying to kill someone shows you have the ability to do it, you just failed. Same with trying to rape someone. You've shown that you [i]could[/i] do it, you just failed in some way. You still have it in you to commit the crime and should be socially treated as if you succeeded.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48152619]I know you're parodying the confederate flag scandal but I hope they do. We, as society, should not put rapists on pedestals.[/QUOTE] Trying to remove all of his work doesn't undo what he did [editline]oh hamburgers[/editline] [QUOTE=Starlight 456;48152700]I would say the same. Trying to kill someone shows you have the ability to do it, you just failed. Same with trying to rape someone. You've shown that you [i]could[/i] do it, you just failed in some way. You still have it in you to commit the crime and should be socially treated as if you succeeded.[/QUOTE] [i]Everyone[/i] has the ability to rape or murder.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;48151726]Dude's been accused of being a rapist by 40 women. At least one have them has to be telling the truth, no?[/QUOTE] Its suspicious as fuck but that shouldn't be enough to condemn the guy.

[QUOTE=Paramud;48152707]Trying to remove all of his work doesn't undo what he did[/QUOTE] It doesn't, but allowing his image to stand would be wrong.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48152745]It doesn't, but allowing his image to stand would be wrong.[/QUOTE] I have a feeling you'd really enjoy the Amish community's penal system.

[QUOTE=Paramud;48152707]Trying to remove all of his work doesn't undo what he did [editline]oh hamburgers[/editline] [i]Everyone[/i] has the ability to rape or murder.[/QUOTE] Technically. But you need to have a very loose sense of morals to actually carry it out. I could never commit a rape or a murder because I know that it's probably the worst two crimes you can inflict on another human being. Rapists and murderers? they don't care. [editline]8th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;48152726]Its suspicious as fuck but that shouldn't be enough to condemn the guy.[/QUOTE] 40 women over decades accused him, he admitted it himself that he used drugs with the intent of rape, he did it during his prime when nobody would listen to people accusing him... What the fuck do you need? Sure, you couldn't legally convict him, but any reasonable person would at the least count that as considerable evidence against him.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48152759]Technically. But you need to have a very loose sense of morals to actually carry it out. I could never commit a rape or a murder because I know that it's probably the worst two crimes you can inflict on another human being. Rapists and murderers? they don't care.[/QUOTE] That's not really a claim you can actually make with one hundred percent certainty. Even if nothing happens to change your morality down the line, crimes of passion happen out of sudden urges that can not be predicted. Literally anyone could commit them given the right circumstances.

If anyone is curious on what the plaza looks like without the statue, here is a video tour of the area: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQpzfUVUCJU[/media]

[QUOTE=Paramud;48152794]That's not really a claim you can actually make with one hundred percent certainty. Even if nothing happens to change your morality down the line, crimes of passion happen out of sudden urges that can not be predicted. Literally anyone could commit them given the right circumstances.[/QUOTE] I think I know my own morals, thank you very much.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48152847]I think I know my own morals, thank you very much.[/QUOTE] I would like to refer you to the latter 2/3rds of my previous post

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;48152390]he admitted to successfully drugging [I]at least[/I] one woman with the intent of raping her. it wasn't specified whether he carried out the actual rape afterwards, but he admitted to attempting to rape her. we have a man who admits that he he attempted to rape someone, and doesn't specify whether his attempt was successful or not, who has also been accused by 40 women of rape. there are laws that prevent a court from prosecuting him based on this information, but we as logical human beings can say beyond any reasonable doubt that bill cosby has raped someone.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rocko's;48152481]are you for real? Cosby attempted to drug a good amount of women, so he could have sex with them. think about this, he's trying to drug a person in order to have sex with them? that sounds like rape. especially when these women want to sue him, and one wants to press criminal charges against him for his actions. an attorney even tried to ask him if he was using the drugs without the knowledge of the women he drugged, and he did not answer.[/QUOTE] This implies he actually tried to rape the women after drugging them. You have no evidence that this actually took place. Logically, you can suspect that he raped them or attempted to rape them, but you can't outright state it as a fact. He could have drugged them and just let them sleep because he couldn't actually bring himself to do it. Unless you have proof, you logically can't jump to that conclusion. [QUOTE=Starlight 456;48152759]40 women over decades accused him, he admitted it himself that he used drugs with the intent of rape, he did it during his prime when nobody would listen to people accusing him... What the fuck do you need? Sure, you couldn't legally convict him, but any reasonable person would at the least count that as considerable evidence against him.[/QUOTE] Any logical person would say that you're assuming a specific action took place without proof because of intent. Intent does not prove action, nor does it prove you attempted an action.

Regardless of whether or not he winds up being charged, the fact he's admitted that he's tried to drug women in the past indicates there's no place for him at a family park like Disney World.

[video=youtube;mJX-4yTlWXM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJX-4yTlWXM[/video] The real disappointment is that he wasn't jailed for Leonard Part 6

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;48152926]This implies he actually tried to rape the women after drugging them. You have no evidence that this actually took place. Logically, you can suspect that he raped them or attempted to rape them, but you can't outright state it as a fact. He could have drugged them and just let them sleep because he couldn't actually bring himself to do it. Unless you have proof, you logically can't jump to that conclusion.[/QUOTE] he drugged these people though, do you not understand that it's not right? unless they came in and said "yeah feel free to drug me I'm 100% okay with it" he did it without their intentions. and right now, we don't know if he did it with their consent or not as he refused to comment. but currently I believe he's in the wrong because he drugged them, and if these women are going so far as to press charges against him because he drugged them and supposedly raped them then I believe there's something more to the situation than what it seems. it's either true, and he drugged and raped them, or attempted to rape them. it's extremely fishy.

[QUOTE=Rocko's;48153638]he drugged these people though, do you not understand that it's not right? unless they came in and said "yeah feel free to drug me I'm 100% okay with it" he did it without their intentions. and right now, we don't know if he did it with their consent or not as he refused to comment. but currently I believe he's in the wrong because he drugged them, and if these women are going so far as to press charges against him because he drugged them and supposedly raped them then I believe there's something more to the situation than what it seems. it's either true, and he drugged and raped them, or attempted to rape them. it's extremely fishy.[/QUOTE] I do understand that he drugged them, and it's completely horrible. He is guilty of drugging them, 100%, should be serving time for that. I also believe that there is more to it than just "drugging", but there is no proof on anything other than the drugging, so I can't say for certain that anything else happened. You can't say that he even attempted rape, because we don't know anything that happened after he drugged them. Drugging someone and raping someone are two separate, different, and distinct actions. We have an admission of one action, intent that makes the second action plausible, but no proof that the second action ever occurred, or was even attempted.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48150600]The truth is sad, but a rapist should not have a statue in a family park.[/QUOTE] I'm still shocked it was actually confirmed. I always stayed neutral on the subject since it was Bill Cosby, one of the now once great TV fathers, but after it was totally confirmed, I'm disgusted.

[QUOTE=Fangz;48152841]If anyone is curious on what the plaza looks like without the statue, here is a video tour of the area: [/QUOTE] Cosby wasn't always in that back spot, if I remember right. I think they've moved one of the other statues to fill a space on the front row.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;48152926]This implies he actually tried to rape the women after drugging them. You have no evidence that this actually took place. Logically, you can suspect that he raped them or attempted to rape them, but you can't outright state it as a fact. He could have drugged them and just let them sleep because he couldn't actually bring himself to do it. Unless you have proof, you logically can't jump to that conclusion. Any logical person would say that you're assuming a specific action took place without proof because of intent. Intent does not prove action, nor does it prove you attempted an action.[/QUOTE] You're completely removing the human aspect of this whole thing. Why would he drug women with date rap drugs and [I]not[/I] try to rape them? That would be a waste of a drug, just making someone fall asleep and walking away? That's bullshit. Of course you're going to say you can't prove it when you ignore social logic. Women accuse man of rape, man admits to using date rape drug on women. It's certainly no stretch of the imagination to say he must have attempted some sort of rape, otherwise he wouldn't have purchased the drugs that he bought to subdue the women who are accusing him. Sure, you can't arrest the guy, our legal system is more objective than that (thank god), but we, being humans and not machines, have the ability to [I]infer[/I] things. Such inferences don't hold up in court, and sure you can't say anything "for certain", but what's human about everything having to be totally certain? We have the advantage of subjectivity, we don't need to have absolute objective proof of everything we believe in. Certainty is the law's problem. The law has to say he's innocent, but we, as laymen, have every right to suspect he's guilty.

I get that there's a shit ton of evidence stacked against Cosby including his own admission of drugging the women that makes it appear much more likely that he did indeed rape those women, but didn't some of you guys dislike the concept of the public automatically assuming that someone accused of whatever crime of committing that crime? I guess this is different since he actually did admit that he used drugs on some of those women and one could easily connect between that and him raping them, but it's just that the prior mindset seemed somewhat common here and it's kinda weird to hear a bunch of guys claim the opposite all of a sudden.

[QUOTE=Skerion;48154553]I get that there's a shit ton of evidence stacked against Cosby including his own admission of drugging the women that makes it appear much more likely that he did indeed rape those women, but didn't some of you guys dislike the concept of the public automatically assuming that someone accused of whatever crime of committing that crime? I guess this is different since he actually did admit that he used drugs on some of those women and one could easily connect between that and him raping them, but it's just that the prior mindset seemed somewhat common here and it's kinda weird to hear a bunch of guys claim the opposite all of a sudden.[/QUOTE] It's a little different considering A) Cosby is a huge figure who has been in the public eye for quite a long time and B) He positioned himself as a bit of a moralist. It's just more damning than if it were some random joe. [editline]9th July 2015[/editline] It's like when Ted Haggard admitted he had sex with a dude.

[QUOTE=Paramud;48152794]That's not really a claim you can actually make with one hundred percent certainty. Even if nothing happens to change your morality down the line, crimes of passion happen out of sudden urges that can not be predicted. Literally anyone could commit them given the right circumstances.[/QUOTE]Capability to commit a crime is not the same as attempt to commit a crime. Yes, technically we are all capable of crimes, but not all of us attempt to. If you attempt to kill someone but don't, you get charged with attempt murder. So Cosby is guilty of at least attempt rape. Who knows what more we will find out. He planned to drug and rape someone, that's rapist behaviour.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48155776]Capability to commit a crime is not the same as attempt to commit a crime. Yes, technically we are all capable of crimes, but not all of us attempt to. If you attempt to kill someone but don't, you get charged with attempt murder. So Cosby is guilty of at least attempt rape. Who knows what more we will find out. He planned to drug and rape someone, that's rapist behaviour.[/QUOTE] Not the argument I was making, nor the argument I was fighting. Starlight claimed that only certain people could ever commit a violent crime due to their morality.

[QUOTE=Paramud;48155911]Not the argument I was making, nor the argument I was fighting. Starlight claimed that only certain people could ever commit a violent crime due to their morality.[/QUOTE] My bad. In that case yeah, you're right. Morals play little value when you're full of adrenaline and other emotional chemicals.

[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;48154448] Women accuse man of rape, man admits to using date rape drug on women. It's certainly no stretch of the imagination to say he must have attempted some sort of rape, otherwise he wouldn't have purchased the drugs that he bought to subdue the women who are accusing him. Sure, you can't arrest the guy, our legal system is more objective than that (thank god), but we, being humans and not machines, have the ability to [I]infer[/I] things. Such inferences don't hold up in court, and sure you can't say anything "for certain", but what's human about everything having to be totally certain? We have the advantage of subjectivity, we don't need to have absolute objective proof of everything we believe in. Certainty is the law's problem. The law has to say he's innocent, but we, as laymen, have every right to suspect he's guilty.[/QUOTE] That's retarded. You want people to be condemned because "you think" they're gulty.

To be fair, the evidence is stacked against him. Normal people don't try to drug people.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;48152926]This implies he actually tried to rape the women after drugging them. You have no evidence that this actually took place. Logically, you can suspect that he raped them or attempted to rape them, but you can't outright state it as a fact. He could have drugged them and just let them sleep because he couldn't actually bring himself to do it. Unless you have proof, you logically can't jump to that conclusion.[/QUOTE] the act of drugging the woman was an attempt at rape. he admitted that he purchased the drugs for the purpose of using them to rape a woman. when he drugged the woman, that was the first step in an attempt to commit rape. I have no idea how the law defines this and I'm not making an argument that there's enough evidence to convict him. but there is evidence that he did attempt to rape a woman in literal terms. in legal terms, I'm not sure what that would qualify as.