SEAL who shot Bin Laden now has no healthcare or pension - Polidicks

[QUOTE=doommarine23;39550141]Its like you have no sense of empathy or care for the lives of people, their families, or especially those of special operation soldiers. Somehow he deserves no pension, no care, and neither does his family. Despite sacrificing so much for you and for this country. Oh and yes, before you argue with me, yes I think every soldier should get taken care of and yes I think society should take care of each-other. No I don't care how unfeasible that is on an economic level.[/QUOTE] I'm in the submarine force, I know for a fact that I will have to serve at least 20 years should I want to receive pay afterwards. It's not like we are uninformed of that, every person in the military is aware of this fact.

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;39550181]I'm in the submarine force, I know for a fact that I will have to serve at least 20 years should I want to receive pay afterwards. It's not like we are uninformed of that, every person in the military is aware of this fact.[/QUOTE] just because it exists doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed.

[QUOTE=Spot of Tea;39550150]"Sorry, we need our 18 billion dollar budget for something else"[/QUOTE] "sorry, you didn't qualify "

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;39550181]I'm in the submarine force, I know for a fact that I will have to serve at least 20 years should I want to receive pay afterwards. It's not like we are uninformed of that, every person in the military is aware of this fact.[/QUOTE] Why twenty years though? Like I said, in the UK you are eligible for a pension after two years service - longer service just means a bigger pension. The US accounts for half of the worlds defence spending - surely it can use part of that to look after it's troops properly after they've served.

I wouldn't have a problem with this if it was easy for servicemembers to get VA benefits, but its not. We have to choose one, fix the VA, or continue to give former servicemember's coverage.

[QUOTE=DeeCeeTeeBee;39550179]autism is no laughing matter[/QUOTE] The best way to argue is to ad-hominem someone. But I guess you're right. You should get treated, I know that autism has a lack of empathy, but you're taking yours to a new level. [editline]11th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Jetblack357;39550181]I'm in the submarine force, I know for a fact that I will have to serve at least 20 years should I want to receive pay afterwards. It's not like we are uninformed of that, every person in the military is aware of this fact.[/QUOTE] I guess, but it just seems like as if you're okay with it. I don't agree with arbitrary labeling of someone's worth.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;39550141]Its like you have no sense of empathy or care for the lives of people, their families, or especially those of special operation soldiers. Somehow he deserves no pension, no care, and neither does his family. Despite sacrificing so much for you and for this country. Oh and yes, before you argue with me, yes I think every soldier should get taken care of and yes I think society should take care of each-other. No I don't care how unfeasible that is on an economic level.[/QUOTE] He's only out of healthcare, probably not retirement paycheck.

[QUOTE=dass;39550298]He's only out of healthcare, probably not retirement paycheck.[/QUOTE] Sure, that's a start, but that doesn't excuse him and his entire family being out of healthcare because of some arbitrary rule of being in the military for 20 years.

Yeah, it sucks. Yeah, it'd be cool if he could get that pay. But he can't. Because he left before the required time in service. He knew the requirements when he joined, and when he left. Expecting special treatment for being the lucky one who lined up and fired before the other members in the team doesn't mean you get to skip forward in the line. Literally the [I]only[/I] difference between him and the other members of his team is [I]his[/I] bullet got the credit.

[QUOTE=Morcam;39549963]He didn't work there for 20 years, so he doesn't qualify... I can guarantee you he knew this before he retired. I mean, are you angry that he doesn't get a pension either?[/QUOTE] Pension is one thing which is understandable but health care is another.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;39550320]Sure, that's a start, but that doesn't excuse him and his entire family being out of healthcare because of some arbitrary rule of being in the military for 20 years.[/QUOTE] Why does his family get healthcare aswell? That seems a bit too much, but then again, everyone should have healthcare as a standard.

Why would someone get free healthcare for doing his job (shooting bin laden) afterwards? You don't even get that in countries with healthcare. Why would you in the US where healthcare is even worse?

[QUOTE=doommarine23;39550320]Sure, that's a start, but that doesn't excuse him and his entire family being out of healthcare because of some arbitrary rule of being in the military for 20 years.[/QUOTE] It's not an "arbitrary rule", it's part of the contract he signed. It's how every job on this planet works.

[QUOTE=n0cturni;39549937]"thanks for killing bin laden, now kindly go fuck yourself"[/QUOTE] this is literally what the title said

[QUOTE=doommarine23;39550141]Despite sacrificing so much for you and for this country.[/QUOTE] I don't agree with this kind of statement, sorry. I do not want people to go to war for me nor do i embrace the result and conduct they choose to make sacrifices on. I will never recommend anyone going in the military and my hands will not be forcefully shaken, stained and done so blindly with the likes of someone that chooses to go down that path. If i am the purpose for what soldiers sacrifice, then i become the injustification for those that had to die and those alive that have to deal with it.

[QUOTE=Daemon;39550885]I don't agree with this kind of inducement, sorry. I do not want people to go to war for me nor do i embrace the result and conduct that it is done. I will never recommend anyone going in the military and my hands will not be forcefully squeezed, stained and blindly with the likes of someone that chooses to go down that path. It's inaccurate, unrational and injustice for those that had to die and those alive that have to deal with it.[/QUOTE] I sort of get what you're trying to get at, but that made no sense at all.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;39549974]As if that justifies not giving them it?[/QUOTE] I really hope you are in some form of office someday. Cause, with you, I could join for six months and retire with full benefits. Please let me know when you are in some form of office and we'll get things started. Thanks!

you shot bin laden?, hell, you can come over to my house and fuck my sister! You can't be part of secret mission then expect to be treated specially.To the government he's as replaceable as any other soldier. Yes it sucks, yes it's wrong, but one civilian can't change where the government puts it's money, especially in a corrupt one.

I don't understand, since when does your employer keep paying for your healthcare after you've left? Retirement sure, but healthcare?

I wonder if he knows all he has to do is hold a federal job for 4 years and he gets all that. Shit, he could be a mailman and get a gigantic pension.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;39551064]I wonder if he knows all he has to do is hold a federal job for 4 years and he gets all that. Shit, he could be a mailman and get a gigantic pension.[/QUOTE] So postal workers only have to work four years for a pensions, troops have to serve for 20 years? That seems... disproportionate, unless delivering post is a lot more hardcore then I've been led to believe :v:

[QUOTE=Camundongo;39550903]I sort of get what you're trying to get at, but that made no sense at all.[/QUOTE] I will need a bit more clarification on which parts you didn't understand. In metaphorical sense, it would be irrational to handshake (greatfully), to someone blindly without knowing who they are or what they have done. Just because he is a soldier doesn't mean i need to shake his hand by any pressure for what he chooses to do and his hands are more likely stained with other peoples blood which i don't want to be responsible for. I believe it is inaccurate to assume that people make them kinds of sacrifices without other incentives driving it along.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;39551087]So postal workers only have to work four years for a pensions, troops have to serve for 20 years? That seems... disproportionate, unless delivering post is a lot more hardcore then I've been led to believe :v:[/QUOTE] 16+4 you dingus, a federal job's a federal job

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;39551064]I wonder if he knows all he has to do is hold a federal job for 4 years and he gets all that. Shit, he could be a mailman and get a gigantic pension.[/QUOTE] doubt it. the usps has some major $$$ issues

He retired, and everything that should have happened to him did He doesn't deserve special treatment at all He's a SEAL who served 16 years, he will be treated as a SEAL who served 16 years, regardless of anything else [QUOTE=trotskygrad;39550192]just because it exists doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed.[/QUOTE] Well until it is changed, he doesn't qualify. Everybody who served as long as he did in the USA didn't get it either. As pointed out before, he didn't storm the desert, raid Osama's complex and shoot 50 bullets of hard-death into him, he went in with tons of backup, and shot a couple of bullets at him. You can't bend the rules just because he killed someone who was a bigger threat than other terrorists. He's supposed to kill terrorists, and he did. Also, maybe the Government wanted him alive so they could interrogate him? I'm not being sociopathic, I'm just saying you shouldn't bend the rules just because of this [QUOTE=doommarine23;39550320]Sure, that's a start, but that doesn't excuse him and his entire family being out of healthcare because of some arbitrary rule of being in the military for 20 years.[/QUOTE] This is like saying "you shouldn't be arrested just because of some arbitrary rule of not killing a random guy" Its a rule. That he agreed to.

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Well you didn't complete 20 years in the military to qualify for it. And he does get a retirement check if he did the early retirement program.. Its just a smaller portion. You normally get 50 percent for 20 years, you get about 35 percent for 15 years. He made the choice to leave, it is his issue. Also tricare is pretty expensive as it is, even after retirement. He can easily get health insurance that is the same or less outside of the military. I bet you more then anything he thought being on the team that killed bin laden would get him riches and fame.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;39550141]Its like you have no sense of empathy or care for the lives of people, their families, or especially those of special operation soldiers. Somehow he deserves no pension, no care, and neither does his family. Despite sacrificing so much for you and for this country. [/QUOTE] The military don't have a good track record when it comes to after-care. It's a case of ''he's not with the military anymore therefore healthcare is his problem.'' The fact that he killed Bin Laden doesn't make him any bit more special than any other soldier.

I realize that he killed Bin Laden, but that doesn't make him some superstar that deserves health care when he decommissions -- the military is facing A LOT of money cuts. I'm in a JROTC unit in high school and the Air Force has already cut our program a few thousand dollars within the last few years. My Col and Chief (instructors of the JROTC program at my school) are being paid set amounts each month or whatever since they've done their 20 years in the service -- but for the new people joining the military it's doubted that the military will keep paying them once they've done 20 their years and retired.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;39549974]As if that justifies not giving them it?[/QUOTE] Actually yes. It does. You don't qualify for those benefits unless you serve your full 20. Sadly, the military doesn't really give a fuck if you shot Hitler, as far as those benefits go. If he wanted those benefits, he should've stayed in for the full 20. Simple as that. Hero or not, he's still just a SEAL, and he's got to play by the same rules.