SEAL who shot Bin Laden now has no healthcare or pension - Polidicks

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;39550095]it should be them as well, imo I think a hard limit of 20 years should be relaxed a little bit for active duty. [editline]11th February 2013[/editline] do you really think people will have an idea of the actual psychological stress when they volunteer? probably not.[/QUOTE] Actually they do In order to even [I]qualify[/I] for the training for special ops you have to meet nessicary pre-requisites of ranking/experience/whatever it is, then you have to spend 2 weeks of doing intensive "shit hits the fan" teamwork and endurance situations while being sleep/food deprived the whole time. After all that, you are judged on how well you handled the situations you were in psychologically, physically, mentally, etc. Only then are you able to even be let into a year long training regiment that makes you an actual SF member. At any point you can choose to pull out if its not for you. Quite simply, in the pre-training 2 weeks you are put into situations that are designed to break your psyche and test how you react in situations of extreme stress and worst-case survival scenarios. The type of shit you do during this pre-training and the year long training itself is made to be much worse than the type of stuff you actually do in the field, so there are no surprises.

[QUOTE=KorJax;39552658]Actually they do In order to even [I]qualify[/I] for the training for special ops you have to meet nessicary pre-requisites of ranking/experience/whatever it is, then you have to spend 2 weeks of doing intensive "shit hits the fan" teamwork and endurance situations while being sleep/food deprived the whole time. After that, you are judged and if you are deemed worthy, they let you begin year long training to become SF. At any point you can choose to pull out if its not for you. Quite simply, in the pre-training 2 weeks you are put into situations that are designed to break your psyche and test how you react in situations of extreme stress and worst-case survival scenarios. The type of shit you do during this pre-training and the year long training itself is made to be much worse than the type of stuff you actually do in the field, so there are no surprises.[/QUOTE] actually, no, because often times SF troops come home rather damaged... there are plenty of examples of this (like the one I cited earlier) just because you can take the stress during the limited time of BUDS or w/e doesn't mean you can take the stress over multiple deployments over multiple years.

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;39552685]actually, no, because often times SF troops come home rather damaged... there are plenty of examples of this (like the one I cited earlier) just because you can take the stress during the limited time of BUDS or w/e doesn't mean you can take the stress over multiple deployments over multiple years.[/QUOTE] The point is when you train to become SF you are fully aware of what kinds of things you are going to be in, and you'll become very familiar phyiscally and mentally the kinds of stress you'll be in. Sure doing it for 16 years might start to get grating and maybe more stressful as you age, but this is no different than any other job military or not.

[QUOTE=KorJax;39552752]The point is when you train to become SF you are fully aware of what kinds of things you are going to be in, and you'll become very familiar phyiscally and mentally the kinds of stress you'll be in. Sure doing it for 16 years might start to get grating and maybe more stressful as you age, but this is no different than any other job military or not.[/QUOTE] just because they're aware and familiar with it doesn't mean it won't affect them. The very real possibility of getting shot or blown up rather often (SF have been used extensively in Afghanistan) is going to change a man no matter what training they've been put through.

At least he can resign with his pride (uninsured).

[QUOTE=doommarine23;39550141]No I don't care how unfeasible that is on an economic level.[/QUOTE] I'm glad you don't make any decisions like that.

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;39549982]Yeah, you stay in 20 years, you get 50% of your base pay per month from then on, up to a max of 75% at 30 years. I don't see why the military would have to continue paying for your health after you leave. I don't mean to sound like an asshole, but why should special exceptions be made for this guy?[/QUOTE] Well, he did shoot Bin Laden, I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of taliban who would like to get their hands on him. I'd personally not want to be in the Middle East after doing that if it were me, it would be like a big red target painted on my head, asking to get shot or blown up.

[QUOTE=DeanWinchester;39553976]Well, he did shoot Bin Laden, I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of taliban who would like to get their hands on him. I'd personally not want to be in the Middle East after doing that if it were me, it would be like a big red target painted on my head, asking to get shot or blown up.[/QUOTE] The solution is not to throw money at him. The solution is to not reveal extensive details of the operation (such as names) to the public. Although that ship has sailed, perhaps it'd be something to think about for the future.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;39551087]So postal workers only have to work four years for a pensions, troops have to serve for 20 years? That seems... disproportionate, unless delivering post is a lot more hardcore then I've been led to believe :v:[/QUOTE] No that's not how it works. To receive a pension from any federal job you need 20 years total. It doesn't matter which one or if you go from one to the other over that time, you just need 20 years total. So I could get my 4 years from the marines and then do 16 years at the post office and get the pension. Or i got my 4 years, do 8 at the post office, work somewhere else for a while, then return to a federal job for the remainder and get the pension.

Only having to work 20 years to get retirement is a pretty sweet deal tbh. Everyone else has to work until they're 65 regardless. If I could retire at 38 I'd do it in a heartbeat. [editline]11th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=DeanWinchester;39553976]Well, he did shoot Bin Laden, I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of taliban who would like to get their hands on him. I'd personally not want to be in the Middle East after doing that if it were me, it would be like a big red target painted on my head, asking to get shot or blown up.[/QUOTE] yeah because they know exactly who he is. His name isn't even published in the article ffs [editline]11th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;39554419]No that's not how it works. To receive a pension from any federal job you need 20 years total. It doesn't matter which one or if you go from one to the other over that time, you just need 20 years total. So I could get my 4 years from the marines and then do 16 years at the post office and get the pension. Or i got my 4 years, do 8 at the post office, work somewhere else for a while, then return to a federal job for the remainder and get the pension.[/QUOTE] I don't think that's how it works for federal civilian jobs. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Employees_Retirement_System[/url] The 20 years might be right, but there's still a minimum retirement age. I don't know how it works for military jobs though.

He quit before he'd served long enough to qualify for retirement, same thing would happen to anyone else in any other job who quit early. Also, sorry to be the skeptic here, but do we have anything other than his own word that says he was the one responsible for killing Bin Laden?

USA! USA! [editline]11th February 2013[/editline] unless i'm mistaking, lifetime healthcare is a perk of being a veteran, so, uh, i don't really know how he didn't get that.

I'm still taken back that Navy SEALs or other special forces doesn't at least get special perks for being one of the most elite soldiers of their country who goes on suicide missions. At least healthcare is getting is reformed nationally to help the likes of Mike.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;39556381]I'm still taken back that Navy SEALs or other special forces doesn't at least get special perks for being one of the most elite soldiers of their country who goes on suicide missions. At least healthcare is getting is reformed nationally to help the likes of Mike.[/QUOTE] hardly suicide missions... but ok. SF shouldn't get special treatment, I'd say it should perhaps be based on the amount of combat missions a soldier does or something like that, definitions could get iffy though. Then you have the potential problem of soldiers going on more missions to get out earlier, as paradoxical as that seems.

Having been in the military and being fucked over by them majorly, fuck them. Full of pigs.

[QUOTE=KorJax;39552658]Actually they do In order to even [I]qualify[/I] for the training for special ops you have to meet nessicary pre-requisites of ranking/experience/whatever it is, then you have to spend 2 weeks of doing intensive "shit hits the fan" teamwork and endurance situations while being sleep/food deprived the whole time. After all that, you are judged on how well you handled the situations you were in psychologically, physically, mentally, etc. Only then are you able to even be let into a year long training regiment that makes you an actual SF member. At any point you can choose to pull out if its not for you. Quite simply, in the pre-training 2 weeks you are put into situations that are designed to break your psyche and test how you react in situations of extreme stress and worst-case survival scenarios. The type of shit you do during this pre-training and the year long training itself is made to be much worse than the type of stuff you actually do in the field, so there are no surprises.[/QUOTE] I remember back in boot camp, the wusses that were crying after like 3 weeks. We were all saying "dude you're signing up to leave for 6 or more fucking months straight and you cant handle this?" It was hilarious. [editline]11th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=FrankOfArabia;39557362]Having been in the military and being fucked over by them majorly, fuck them. Full of pigs.[/QUOTE] This isn't being fucked over period. This guy just wants special attention because he did part of his job. Did the "world's deadliest" sniper get anything special? No, he did not, did any of the other myriads of significant soldiers get a special present? Nope, they did not.