• Virginia teen fatally shot by homeowner
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[QUOTE=Camundongo;39975916]Yeah, because not cleaning your room and underage drinking totally deserve being shot and killed. Even thinking about posting it makes you a dick.[/QUOTE] people who deliberately get drunk generally deserve a shotgun wound.
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;39977047]people who deliberately get drunk generally deserve a shotgun wound.[/QUOTE] ~life of the party~
The words "didn't stop" are incredibly vague.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;39977111]~life of the party~[/QUOTE] death of the party goers.
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;39977047]people who deliberately get drunk generally deserve a shotgun wound.[/QUOTE] Ummm, really? You can't be serious.
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;39977292]death of the party goers.[/QUOTE] can't tell if you're trolling, or just monstrously anti social
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39977493]can't tell if you're trolling, or just monstrously anti social[/QUOTE] anti-human*
You really can not blame the home owner here. He gave ample warning, fired a warning shot (which honestly, you should never do. Verbal commands, but not warning shots.) and he continued. The home owner had no clue what was going on and of course is not a mind reader in that they had no ill intentions. All he thought was he was a victim of a home invasion and reacted as such. Very shitty situation. For the family of the lost and the man who pulled the trigger. I bet he feels terrible considering the truth comes out. But he should not be punished.
[QUOTE=Dougz;39977446]Ummm, really? You can't be serious.[/QUOTE] don't worry, I don't have a shotgun.
What the fuck? The article implies he shot once to kill him.. One would think that you would shoot to wound, not to kill, even if they are an intruder.
[QUOTE=Azza;39977895]What the fuck? The article implies he shot once to kill him.. One would think that you would shoot to wound, not to kill, even if they are an intruder.[/QUOTE] Ok then, where would you have shot him if you were in his shoes?
[QUOTE=Azza;39977895]What the fuck? The article implies he shot once to kill him.. One would think that you would shoot to wound, not to kill, even if they are an intruder.[/QUOTE] There is no "shoot to wound." When you pull the trigger you are committing to threat neutralization, and if that means dead then so be it.
[QUOTE=Azza;39977895]What the fuck? The article implies he shot once to kill him.. One would think that you would shoot to wound, not to kill, even if they are an intruder.[/QUOTE] Shooting to wound is illegal because if you're shooting to wound someone you're obviously not in fear of your life, so you had no reason to shoot him in the first place. I thought everyone already got over the bullshit of "shooting to wound". For fucks sake use your [b]god damn head[/b] Shooting to wound is double bullshit because there's not a single place on the body that you could shoot and not have a chance to bleed out from. Everyone goes for the old trope "shoot da legs 2 wound dem". Your legs are full of huge fucking arteries. Being shot in the leg is a good way to bleed to death.
shitty situation but i can't blame the gunowner
come on you cant subdue a drunk as fuck 16 year old without killing him? Not saying he's in the wrong but Jesus Christ a kid is dead.
[QUOTE=pancaker94;39978135]come on you cant subdue a drunk as fuck 16 year old without killing him? Not saying he's in the wrong but Jesus Christ a kid is dead.[/QUOTE] Are you really that stupid? The homeowner had no idea it was a drunk as fuck 16 year old, it could have been a psycopath or a murderer.
House's fault,it looked the same,put the house in jail
I don't think the homeowner handled this wrong, but the situation would never have escalated, had the gun not been involved. This is a single case, but even when used right, guns can be the wrong answer.
If he lived in Australia like me he would still be alive.
When looking at events like these, you really have to imagine the perspective of each person involved to understand why they made the decision they did. It's easy to say that he was just a drunk kid who made a mistake and that the homeowner was too quick to get to shooting when you know both perspectives. You would do well to for a moment, forget that you've even read anything about Caleb's story. Imagine you wake up at 2am to your burglar alarm going off, maybe you heard some glass smash too and now you can hear someone stumbling about in your house. First thing on your mind isn't, "I need to exercise restraint and give this potential invader enough warning so that no one has to get hurt", it's "who the fuck is in my house". So you go searching around your house with your gun and then you end up face to face with a black guy who doesn't respond to any warnings you give and carries on doing whatever it was he was doing. It's said, "Caleb didn’t stop, and the home-owner fired again", what he didn't stop I do not know. But I assume it's him moving in the direction of the guy. I dunno about you but in that situation, not knowing that he was just a drunk teen who had mistaken his house for another, thinking he was someone dangerous possibly with a weapon, I'd shoot. If it's true he did give a warning then he's gone above what I personally would have done in that situation. Caleb broke into a house he thought was his own because he was disobeying his parents, he's let himself get so drunk that he's not thinking straight, then in response to someone with a gun who apparently gives a warning for you to leave, you don't cooperate, you've made a series of mistakes which has put someone else in a situation where they have to do something terrible to you and then have to live with it after the fact, and also put yourself in danger. It's idiotic. Not that he is not deserving of sympathy, he did lose his life, but he also seriously fucked up. When you consider it from his perspective he broke into his own house only to be met by a possibly armed intruder, maybe he didn't understand or properly hear what the guy said and when he heard the warning shot his fight or flight instinct kicked in and he just did what he thought might give him a chance at surviving. Both are not directly at fault, but if you were going to blame anyone, blame Caleb for putting the man in the situation before blaming the man for not showing enough restraint. What I don't get is why did he break in? He was drunk obviously so his thinking isn't going to be that great, but surely if he was lucid enough to know that he needed to sneak back in to his home, he would reason that if he broke in it would kind of give him away. [editline]20th March 2013[/editline] Also what is up with this: [url]http://www.datingpsychos.com/psycho/10715/Donald%20West-Wilder%20II[/url]
[QUOTE=Dizzeh;39976133]Ya but being drunk like the teen was, there was no need to shoot him. Knocking him out and calling the cops would've sufficed. Even if he hadn't noticed he was drunk, holding him back an calling the cops or going somewhere in the house and hiding an calling the cops would've worked just as well.[/QUOTE] why the fuck would you try and knock out an intruder in your house if you had a gun are you actually being serious?
Don't break windows and sneak into houses. especially don't try any funny business when a man with a gun fired a warning shot and told you too leave.
Natural selection?
What kind of neighborhood is this where a guy doesn't recognize the teen living two doors down the street. And how drunk do you have to be to not notice you're in the wrong house after you've broken in and the owner is pointing a gun at you. [QUOTE=Stormcharger;39978644]why the fuck would you try and knock out an intruder in your house if you had a gun are you actually being serious?[/QUOTE] Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you have to use it. How dumb are you? [i]"Oh well, this drunk kid isn't too impressed by my gat, guess I better bust a cap up his ass!"[/i]
[QUOTE=V12US;39979079] Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you have to use it. How dumb are you? [i]"Oh well, this drunk kid isn't too impressed by my gat, guess I better bust a cap up his ass!"[/i][/QUOTE] How the fuck was he supposed to know it was a drunk kid?
[QUOTE=V12US;39979079]Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you have to use it. How dumb are you? [I]"Oh well, this drunk kid isn't too impressed by my gat, guess I better bust a cap up his ass!"[/I][/QUOTE] When you show all of us mere mortals how to see in the dark, make completely rational decisions when our lives are threatened, and how to disarm and take down any intruder with absolutely no potential threat to ourselves, maybe then you will have a point.
[QUOTE=WeltEnSTurm;39978823]Natural selection?[/QUOTE] Anything involving technology such as parties, houses, firearms or any-fucking-thing that's not a genetic condition that makes someone unsuited to an environment and dead because of it is not natural selection for christ's sakes, stop making these posts.
This happened about 10 minutes from where I live. I got this news way before you guys. :v: That said, it's pretty sad. However, I can't really feel too bad for the teen. He shouldn't have been out drinking at that age, and his parents really should have kept a better watch on him.
[QUOTE=fantafuzz;39978167]it could have been a psycopath or a murderer.[/QUOTE] But it wasn't. He could have found out it was a drunk kid but chose to shoot first
[QUOTE=James*;39979335]But it wasn't. He could have found out it was a drunk kid but chose to shoot first[/QUOTE] He told the kid to stop, but the kid did not. I don't know about you, but if I fire a warning shot and tell someone to stop, and they don't, then I'm not going to gamble with my family's life. I probably would have done the same as the homeowner. It's dark in the house, the guy you just fired a warning shot at is still coming toward you, and you don't know his intent. That is not a gamble I'm going to make. Regardless of the decisions that were made or could have been made, and regardless of which side you are on, this fact remains: the family is going to have to bury their child, and the home owner is going to have to live with the fact that he shot a kid. In my mind, that's all there is to it, and what's done is done.
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