• Soldier in Leaks Case Was Jailed Naked, Lawyer Says
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Man, he is [I]so [/I]not getting his job back.
The people behind the jailing, as well as those who force him into such inhumane conditions, should be turned into great soft jelly things, unable to hurt themselves or others, yet in constant misery and agony due to their forms. They would try to scream, but they would find themselves unable, as they wouldn't have mouths. It is so tragic that governments can't just lie down and take their punishments like they should, causing me to imagine elaborate ways for them to suffer and/or die.
[QUOTE=Contag;28416782]Sounds like they're implying he pissed himself?[/QUOTE] I think that case he would have been given clean clothes (or at least, should have) straight away. The only thing I can think of that would warrant something like that is if he had tried to kill himself with his clothes. [editline]4th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Killuah;28418128]They behave no better than Gadaffi in this case. They preach bringing democracy and human rights and yet they treat him like any totalitarian dictatorship would do.[/QUOTE] But this is the US we are talking about, in the politest way possible they have always been hypocrites.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28415530]I'm going to sleep naked tonight in silent protest[/QUOTE] I actually did this Did they get the message and free Manning yet?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28420668]I actually did this Did they get the message and free Manning yet?[/QUOTE] Yeah it was on CNN. "Naked Canadian Prompts Release of Bradley Manning"
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28415237]you have no sympathy for a person being practically tortured? [/QUOTE] No, I have no sympathy for him regarding what he did, but I don't think he should be tortured for it.
[QUOTE=RBM11;28420952]Yeah it was on CNN. "Naked Canadian Prompts Release of Bradley Manning"[/QUOTE] Phew, glad that's over.
file a grievance accident off the roof
[QUOTE=Killuah;28418191]For the less informed, I was talking about the horrible conditions he was in: [url]http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/21/lawyer-describes-solitary-confinement-of-suspected-wikileaks-source/?ref=world[/url][/QUOTE] Going to quote the shit in that article and respond to shit in bold. [quote] Private Manning is currently being held in maximum custody. Since arriving at the Quantico Confinement Facility in July of 2010, he has been held under Prevention of Injury (POI) watch. [B]Pretty standard, the first few hours (even days) of being in jail/prison a person is more likely to commit or make comments about self-injury or even suicide. You have no idea how many people get put on watches like that on a regular basis. [/B] His cell is approximately six feet wide and twelve feet in length. The cell has a bed, a drinking fountain, and a toilet. [B]Pretty standard for a solitary/confinement cell, they're not really that small. Plenty of room for one person. I've seen people work out, walk around, and do various activity in that amount of space. They're also that big due to space issues. Only one person can go in to a cell like that, so they have to build a lot more. It costs more to make a cell like that then an actual housing unit.[/B] The guards at the confinement facility are professional. At no time have they tried to bully, harass, or embarrass Private Manning. Given the nature of their job, however, they do not engage in conversation with Private Manning. [B]Pretty normal, most corrections officers are professional. Don't give in to the whole stupid ass stereotype and nonsense they show on tv or movies. Most guards are good people and actually have trouble finding a balance between being the authoritative (not talking about abuse in that case, but holding their ground and not giving in to bullshit) and rehabilitative personality.[/B] At 5 a.m. he is woken up (on weekends, he is allowed to sleep until 7 a.m.). Under the rules for the confinement facility, he is not allowed to sleep at anytime between 5 a.m. and 8 p.m. If he attempts to sleep during those hours, he will be made to sit up or stand by the guards. [B]Prisons incredibly structured, military prisons are just as insane when it comes to certain stuff. But this isn't much different if he was enlisted. Most people have times they got to be at otherwise they get ripped a new one. When I check to a person in cell and can't see their face or see them breathing I'll knock on the door and ask if they're ok. Usually I get a "fuck off I'm sleeping" but that works, cause I know they're alive. My agency doesn't doesn't have a rule when it comes to sleeping. Most people sleep all day and party all night.[/B] He is allowed to watch television during the day. The television stations are limited to the basic local stations. His access to the television ranges from 1 to 3 hours on weekdays to 3 to 6 hours on weekends. [B]Pretty normal for a prison, they have designated tv times. Channels are pretty standard too, tax payers don't want to pay for cable. As a tax payer we pay enough for their benefits and other bullshit. [/B] He cannot see other inmates from his cell. He can occasionally hear other inmates talk. Due to being a pretrial confinement facility, inmates rarely stay at the facility for any length of time. Currently, there are no other inmates near his cell. [B]Again, normal for a solitary cell. That is the whole point, he is in there for his own protection. His crime is high profile and bet you all the inmates have seen it on the news. Got to remember just because he is a inmate doesn't mean everyone is going to be buddies. I've seen people get put in to solitary for protective custody issues because before they even reached the jail all the housing units saw the person on the news and made open threats to kick his/her ass. I've personally never seen solitary keep people from communicating, normally they yell really loud and carry on conversations for a while till they lose their voice.[/B] From 7 p.m. to 9:20 p.m., he is given correspondence time. He is given access to a pen and paper. He is allowed to write letters to family, friends, and his attorneys. Each night, during his correspondence time, he is allowed to take a 15 to 20 minute shower. [B]Again, facility rules on this one. Some people depending on their situation don't get pens and paper due to their risk. At least he can write to friends and family. Showers, that is pretty normal too, 15 to 20 minutes if more then enough time to shower. You guys might think it is cruel because you spend an hour choking your chicken in the shower.[/B] On weekends and holidays, he is allowed to have approved visitors see him from 12 to 3 p.m. [B]Nothing terrible, inmates I deal with get visitation twice a week. They're pretty happy about it and look forward to it. [/B] He is allowed to receive letters from those on his approved list and from his legal counsel. If he receives a letter from someone not on his approved list, he must sign a rejection form. The letter is then either returned to the sender or destroyed. [B]Makes sense, it help controls contraband and controls information that could possibly put the facility and their officers in harm. You would be surprised at the amount of shit I've caught just reading the front cover of mail. Inmates like to draw and if you look carefully enough you can see gang related identification and codes. Very creative people.[/B] He is allowed to have any combination of up to 15 books or magazines. He must request the book or magazine by name. Once the book or magazine has been reviewed by the literary board at the confinement facility, and approved, he is allowed to have someone on his approved list send it to him. The person sending the book or magazine to him must do so through a publisher or an approved distributor such as Amazon. They are not allowed to mail the book or magazine directly to Pfc. Manning. [B]Same rule for my agency, by reviewing the content it protects the facility. We had to ban books because it tough people how to make drugs, escape from restraints and other shit. This was in a combination of magazines that people can buy in the free world. Having it ordered from the publisher prevents contraband from being smuggled in. You can easily hide a razor, needle in the spine of a book. Small bags of drugs and other materials can be as well. [/B] Due to being held on Prevention of Injury (POI) watch: Pfc. Manning is held in his cell for approximately 23 hours a day. The guards are required to check on Pfc. Manning every five minutes by asking him if he is O.K. Pfc. Manning is required to respond in some affirmative manner. At night, if the guards cannot see Pfc. Manning clearly, because he has a blanket over his head or is curled up towards the wall, they will wake him in order to ensure he is O.K. [B]Pretty normal, it is to make sure he doesn't attempt to hurt himself because he could become a civil and criminal liability. I dunno about you but I wouldn't want someone to die on my watch. [/B] He receives each of his meals in his cell. [B]Again normal procedure, it is call solitary for a reason. I've dealt with people that spend a good amount of their sentence in solitary.[/B] He is not allowed to have a pillow or sheets. However, he is given access to two blankets and has recently been given a new mattress that has a built-in pillow. [B]Again normal, most inmates get a sheet, blanket and a small mattress. I know inmates that would love to just have a mattress with a built in pillow and two blankets.[/B] He is not allowed to have any personal items in his cell. [B]depends on the situation, I've seen people allowed to have many items and some that are not allowed to have a single thing.[/B] He is only allowed to have one book or one magazine at any given time to read in his cell. The book or magazine is taken away from him at the end of the day before he goes to sleep. [B]Helps with sanitary issues and cleaning issues, also prevents people from hording shit. Before people could collect any amount of books or newspapers. The shit would pile up and when an inmate got mad he would fuck with the outlets with a piece of paper under it so it would catch on fire then next minute later he would burn the entire pile of paper and it created a fire hazard and a riot.[/B] He is prevented from exercising in his cell. If he attempts to do push-ups, sit-ups, or any other form of exercise he will be forced to stop. [B]Again a facility rule.[/B] He does receive one hour of “exercise” outside of his cell daily. He is taken to an empty room and only allowed to walk. Pfc. Manning normally just walks figure eights in the room for the entire hour. If he indicates that he no long feels like walking, he is immediately returned to his cell. [B]Pretty normal for someone who is what we call a level or in solitary. You never put someone in solitary with another group of people for any reason. It can lead to many things, you don't know why they're in solitary for all we know it could be for their own protection against other people. I can[/B] When Pfc. Manning goes to sleep, he is required to strip down to his boxer shorts and surrender his clothing to the guards. His clothing is returned to him the next morning. [B]Again their is some underlining circumstance behind this, I think it has to due with the POI watch. [/B] [/quote] Kiddies, stop being such bleeding hearts. This is what jail and prison is like, it isn't built to rehabilitate or act like a fucking spa where all the criminals get to be best buddies and paint each other nails and share stories. People who have never dealt with a criminal on the street or in a jail you will never understand. These people are not the kind of people that get better (most of them, not specifically speaking for this PFC.), you have no idea how many times I hear "I'll get my shit right bro, I'll never come back." and not even a week later the same asshole is in for the same thing as last time. They're nothing like you when it comes to morals and ethics, they don't have it. They have one way of life, that is in and out of the system. You think the behave when behind bars? Hell no, they act like idiots and end up getting more time for more poor choices. Most of them have problems following the most basic instructions. As for PFC manning, he knew what he was getting in to. He knew it was a crime, he might of thought it to be right in his head but it was a poor choice. The conditions he is in are not cruel, they're completely normal. The institution is highly structured and they have to run it as efficiently as they can. A jail and prison is a very busy place, tons of foot traffic, tons of things to get done, on top of that as an officer you to to be on your best game because these people will try and con you, and anything can happen. You truly deal with some really strange and crazy shit in a institution.
System is fucked up, many laws should be erased, and not everybody is criminal scum that never change.
[QUOTE=HeatPipe;28428856]System is fucked up, many laws should be erased, and not everybody is criminal scum that never change.[/QUOTE] Laws are created for a reason, law making doesn't take part in prevention. It normally makes laws due to some type of event. Law making is reactive, not proactive. No the system isn't perfect, it has flaws. After all it was made by people. But this system is one of the best things we've ever created. It keeps people that don't need to be on the streets off in jail, it gives people the chance to go though the system see a judge. Defend themselves if necessary and all that. Most people don't see it like the way we do as officer because they don't deal with it. I on the other hand go toe to toe with murders, rapists, bangers, druggies (Hardcore drugs, not weed) and countless other people. It is a completely different world out here, sometimes I wish I never seen it.
[QUOTE=MR-X;28428768]Going to quote the shit in that article and respond to shit in bold. Kiddies, stop being such bleeding hearts. This is what jail and prison is like, it isn't built to rehabilitate or act like a fucking spa where all the criminals get to be best buddies and paint each other nails and share stories. People who have never dealt with a criminal on the street or in a jail you will never understand. These people are not the kind of people that get better (most of them, not specifically speaking for this PFC.), you have no idea how many times I hear "I'll get my shit right bro, I'll never come back." and not even a week later the same asshole is in for the same thing as last time. They're nothing like you when it comes to morals and ethics, they don't have it. They have one way of life, that is in and out of the system. You think the behave when behind bars? Hell no, they act like idiots and end up getting more time for more poor choices. Most of them have problems following the most basic instructions. As for PFC manning, he knew what he was getting in to. He knew it was a crime, he might of thought it to be right in his head but it was a poor choice. The conditions he is in are not cruel, they're completely normal. The institution is highly structured and they have to run it as efficiently as they can. A jail and prison is a very busy place, tons of foot traffic, tons of things to get done, on top of that as an officer you to to be on your best game because these people will try and con you, and anything can happen. You truly deal with some really strange and crazy shit in a institution.[/QUOTE] you've pretty much just said "oh this this and this is all standard" where half of it isn't. Second of all, prison IS a rehabilitation system. And Manning went through ILLEGAL conditions even before he was convicted of anything. Stop defending this shit. And for the record, the term 'bleeding heart' is just fascistic at its core. The idea of caring about human rights as being somehow bad fucking disgusts me.
[QUOTE=MR-X;28428976]Laws are created for a reason, law making doesn't take part in prevention. It normally makes laws due to some type of event. Law making is reactive, not proactive. No the system isn't perfect, it has flaws. After all it was made by people. But this system is one of the best things we've ever created. It keeps people that don't need to be on the streets off in jail, it gives people the chance to go though the system see a judge. Defend themselves if necessary and all that. Most people don't see it like the way we do as officer because they don't deal with it. I on the other hand go toe to toe with murders, rapists, bangers, druggies (Hardcore drugs, not weed) and countless other people. It is a completely different world out here, sometimes I wish I never seen it.[/QUOTE] Well done 10/10 on the whole "I've seen the world for what it is and you haven't" shit. Now excuse me while I go look at statistics proving that rehabilitative prisons are far more successful, and that American retributive prisons do nothing but turn criminals into harder criminals. Also, loving how you defend the illegal conditions he suffered with "This is what jail and prison is like", great rebuttal, it's a crap system and we know it, but we'll continue to do it to maintain the status quo lol. fuck off
That's sick .
[QUOTE=MR-X;28428768]Kiddies, stop being such bleeding hearts.[/QUOTE] A phrase like that retroactively invalidates your entire post regardless of the effort that went into it standard facility rules
Sorry to bump this thread, but while I was reading yesterdays newspaper this morning I saw an article in it about this. I was right it seems, apparently he was "at risk" anyway and he sarcastically commented that if he was determined to kill himself he could use "the elastic from the waistband" of his underwear.
[QUOTE=Jsm;28492822]Sorry to bump this thread, but while I was reading yesterdays newspaper this morning I saw an article in it about this. I was right it seems, apparently he was "at risk" anyway and he sarcastically commented that if he was determined to kill himself he could use "the elastic from the waistband" of his underwear.[/QUOTE] Or they made that up in an attempt to justify their shitty treatment of him. We'll never know.
[QUOTE=Saxon;28413348]Is it impossible for my country to actually uphold its values? At least let me be proud to be an American....[/QUOTE] "proud to be an American", that's a good one
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28492884]Or they made that up in an attempt to justify their shitty treatment of him. We'll never know.[/QUOTE] That is of course the problem in any situation like this, unless like CCTV footage makes it onto the internet we will never know the truth.
Pathetic, they're no better than Gadaffi or any other batshit crazy leader. Preach Democracy and try to police the world, dehumanise and torture your countrymen.
[QUOTE=Sparkwire;28413231]despicable how they can do that to their own countryman.[/QUOTE] Despicable how they can do that to anyone at all.
[QUOTE=MR-X;28428768]Kiddies, stop being such bleeding hearts. This is what jail and prison is like, it isn't built to rehabilitate or act like a fucking spa where all the criminals get to be best buddies and paint each other nails and share stories.[/QUOTE] Manning spends 23 hours a day in that tiny cell, not allowed to do anything. Why does he need to be kept in solitary? Do you realize what that would do to your mind? Sitting by yourself every single day in a tiny cell would give you serious mental issues. What is being done to manning is not 'normal' at all.
Dammit, let him free at least until you get more proof than some chatlogs.
god someone should break him out
[QUOTE=Stupideye;28494805]Manning spends 23 hours a day in that tiny cell, not allowed to do anything. Why does he need to be kept in solitary? Do you realize what that would do to your mind? Sitting by yourself every single day in a tiny cell would give you serious mental issues. What is being done to manning is not 'normal' at all.[/QUOTE] Apparently according to some people who have seen him at various times during his detainment his mental health has deteriorated since he was first arrested.
[QUOTE=Jsm;28493449]That is of course the problem in any situation like this, unless like CCTV footage makes it onto the internet we will never know the truth.[/QUOTE] I'll laugh if it leaks
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28496585]I'll laugh if it leaks[/QUOTE] It must happen eventually, to go along with the papers relating to Assange's rape trial that were leaked. Apparently the Swedish prosecutors were both confused and annoyed as to how it had happened. Did they forget to do their research?
[QUOTE=butters757;28413267][url]http://www.army.mil/institution/armypublicaffairs/pdf/fm2-22-3.pdf[/url] Page 5-21, Section 5-75. This is some really bad stuff.[/QUOTE] For those who couldn't figure it out, it's a list of what NOT to do. [img]http://i.imgur.com/ptIJg.png[/img]
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