[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;28754488]So fight fire with fire?
Great plan.[/QUOTE]
Normally, it is. It's a very effective way to stop the spreading of a forest fire.
I still think that religion isn't all bad. It brings people together in buildings built to commemorate something they all like.
That's just my opinion though. Rate boxes if you wish, an opinion is an opinion.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;28754488]So fight fire with fire?
Great plan.[/QUOTE]
People do or say retarded things and we criticize it. The fuck you want us to do? Cheer for them? Give them a pat on the back for being retards? Great plan.
[QUOTE=Greenen72;28749087]Good is a subjective term.
Religion has objectively caused more loss than non-religion.
I don't see how actions against global warming are good just because FP has a different opinion than the rest of the world[/QUOTE]
Usually by being an excuse used by those who's goals are distinctly non-religious.
In the terms that you people carp about, there will be no significant decline in "bad" events happening. People will just find another excuse.
I always love when valid criticism of religion gets taken as "hatred of religion and religious people". I think religion is pretty damn silly but that doesn't mean I hate anyone for being religious.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28754635]I always love when valid criticism of religion gets taken as "hatred of religion and religious people". I think religion is pretty damn silly but that doesn't mean I hate anyone for being religious.[/QUOTE]
I could never hate someone for their beliefs. I find it much easier to dislike someone for their actions.
I'm perfectly fine with Atheists around me. Why does it seem like the actions of our few get broadcast across every news outlet while the good ones get no attention :smith:
[QUOTE=Teracotta;28754574]I still think that religion isn't all bad. It brings people together in buildings built to commemorate something they all like..[/QUOTE]
So does boxing clubs, chess clubs, bowling clubs, book clubs, LAN parties, raves, etc...
[QUOTE=demoguy08;28754814]So does boxing clubs, chess clubs, bowling clubs, book clubs, LAN parties, raves, etc...[/QUOTE]
Witch hunts...
Why does everyone act like religion is a horrible thing?
I'm an atheist myself but I don't think this is something to rejoice about, all the Christians I know are good people.
[QUOTE=goon165;28754051]yes it did.
oh and isn't the pope supposed to be uncorruptable?.[/QUOTE]
Yes except only when he speaks from his chair. Oh and that was never church doctrine until 1870 during the first Vatican council.
Also for anyone who thinks the crusades had nothing to do with religion. The first crusade was basically a holy war against the mooselums to take over their land.
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;28755034]Why does everyone act like religion is a horrible thing?
I'm an atheist myself but I don't think this is something to rejoice about, all the Christians I know are good people.[/QUOTE]
Ask yourself why they are good people. Are they good people because its the right thing to do, Or do they have some sort of outside motive.
Anyway Religion just causes more problems then it can solve. It gives people false hope and enslaves their minds so the people in power can manipulate them. Its all about money in the end.
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Altho I will not be so ignorant and will admit that a big number of christian pastors and priests are very sincere about what they do but I think that their efforts could be put to better use without all of the supernatural stories behind it.
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;28755034]Why does everyone act like religion is a horrible thing?
I'm an atheist myself but I don't think this is something to rejoice about, all the Christians I know are good people.[/QUOTE]
Most normal people are good people. It's the radicals you have to worry about.
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;28755034]Why does everyone act like religion is a horrible thing?
I'm an atheist myself but I don't think this is something to rejoice about, all the Christians I know are good people.[/QUOTE]
I think the whole crusades thing and the religion-fueled violence of the last few decades might've done that.
I'm supposed to be surprised, right? I mean, what with science being able to explain more and more and the insanely fast ways of spreading news (internet, social media), simply turning to God and being ignorant simply isn't a valid excuse any more.
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;28755034]Why does everyone act like religion is a horrible thing?
I'm an atheist myself but I don't think this is something to rejoice about, all the Christians I know are good people.[/QUOTE]
They're still good people without religion. I had someone once accuse me of having no morals because I didn't follow their religion, this is hardly true at all. A religion shouldn't, and doesn't define who you are.
[QUOTE=Canary;28749045]I don't see how this is good just because you guys have a different opinion than most of the world.[/QUOTE]
This same thing could be said about how the kkk is losing more members.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28755473]This same thing could be said about how the kkk is losing more members.[/QUOTE]
Are you suggesting that all Christians are massive bigots?
No. Im saying thats not a good point
Personally, I believe in karma. Not all the other religious things, though. Just karma.
But I still think that this is a good thing.
as much as I hate simpleton atheism, anyone who says "LOL TYPICAL TEENAGE ATHEIST", is instantly dumber in my eyes.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;28756203]as much as I hate simpleton atheism, anyone who says "LOL TYPICAL TEENAGE ATHEIST", is instantly dumber in my eyes.[/QUOTE]
what is wrong with simpleton atheism?
can not the young boffin choose to not believe in any god?
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atheism isn't some sort of secret intellectual club
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and to believe so makes you worse than a lot of religious people.
[QUOTE=Treybuchet;28756364]what is wrong with simpleton atheism?
can not the young boffin choose to not believe in any god?[/QUOTE]
simpleton, meaning "a person lacking intelligence or common sense"
so I think what he means by that is that atheists that go "if you believe in a god you're retarded" are just as bad as religious people that go "LOL TYPICAL TEENAGE ATHEIST"
[QUOTE=MajorMattem;28755661]Personally, I believe in karma. Not all the other religious things, though. Just karma.
But I still think that this is a good thing.[/QUOTE]
Karma is as flawed a concept as any, and it's a cleverly disguised front for religious ideas, it's a circumstantial tag people put on things to try to insinuate that there is a higher power directing things but they have no way of proving this.
Why would the universe care about how much of a dick/nice guy you are?, why would it keep count?.
Sorry to say it, but good and innocent people die and horrible people keep on living and enjoying life, this means Karma is wrong.
Whatever happens, happens.
And why it happens does not involve god or any kind of superstitious fabrications, things happened because other things happened, and those things happened because these other things happened, and so on, and so forth, ad infinitum.
a sequence of events starts that results in this thing taking place and it takes place, that's it.
viewing it after the fact and saying this was meant to happen is just retarded, unless you're a time traveler or something, and that's a whole nother discussion.
Karma is a convenient religiousesque idea that allows us to add a sense of justice to the world.
You folks keep saying religious people are ignorant, but which ones are you talking about?
I can only think Christianity and Islam are the religions you really care about going away
I swear every teenage atheist that watches a Crusade documentary automatically becomes a anti-religious advocate
I can't say most of you go about it in a particularly civil manner, either
Gets angry about how people generalize theist but then generalizes athiest.
[QUOTE=FunTykoon;28756662]You folks keep saying religious people are ignorant, but which ones are you talking about?[/QUOTE]
Probably all those who disregard or just don't know the facts about various things just because religion gave them explanation, additionally these people spread this misconceptions. And those who disrespect people from other religions, gays, etc etc. Also those who do bad things in the name of God.
[QUOTE=FunTykoon;28756662]I can only think Christianity and Islam are the religions you really care about going away[/QUOTE]
Over half of the world's populace believe in either Christianity or Islam. I guess that's just a handful of people, we should forget about it.
[QUOTE=FunTykoon;28756662]I swear every teenage atheist that watches a Crusade documentary automatically becomes a anti-religious advocate[/QUOTE]
"All atheists openly voicing their opinions are just angsty teenagers that don't know what are they talking about."
[QUOTE=FunTykoon;28756662]I can't say most of you go about it in a particularly civil manner, either[/QUOTE]
Nice generalization, I'm guessing you were going to say we are generalizing religious people? That would make you a giant hypocrite.
4 years ago, my grades were largely failing, I stole and lied from and to my own friends. I constantly stole money from my mother and father. On top of that, I pretty much was addicted to WoW and Quake 3(still an awesome game though) in that i blocked away everything else. I was arrested for graffiti and assault on a police officer. I wasn't much of a Catholic. I had 2 months of juvenile detention. The day after I got out, my friend invited me to his church. A week later, he invited me to a retreat. Keep in mind, these retreats are full of praise music for God so that means we had that christian music, confessions, three preachers, and yes, we had praying lasting for 2 hours. Yes, I did feel very awkward in the midst of 50 or so people jumping around for the idea of a God. But I stuck with it, and I opened myself to it.
After that retreat, I can say my life damn changed for the better. I'm captain of my highschool's track team, standing at top 10% of my graduating class when I was failing all my classes before, and I got one sweet girlfriend that I like very much.
I know it wasn't luck that got me all of this. For myself to have no direction, God was just in the right moment to help me out and set me some good morals. The Bible is not supposed to be taken completely literal - it, for me, is not supposed to be a strict rulebook. I was a wild kid before and yes I had great parents.
From March to April is the season of Lent - In Lent, we can choose to sacrifice a bad habit or, as Pope John Paul II added, we can choose to begin a good habit. I don't know much more about Lent but I do know that during this time, Jesus fasted for 40 days and nights in the desert, rejecting every temptation to him by the Devil during this time. Now I'm not going to say that the devil is tempting me but Lent is more like a representation of Jesus's time in the desert and we replicate 'the devil's temptations' with our bad habits in order to better ourselves.
Who knows, my faith is not as strong as others, there might not even be a God but I'm damn well sure that I owe my damn life to Him in changing my life for the better. deadass
basically, religion served as a replacement for your shitty parents who couldn't instill any morals nor anything worthwhile
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