Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says
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[QUOTE=Turnips5;28764065]He's implying we'll be afraid of death.[/QUOTE]
Nice job, you guessed it.
Heres your money.
[QUOTE=Garik;28764190]Nice job, you guessed it.
Heres your money.[/QUOTE]
Ever noticed how the people who say everyone around them is afraid of death are most often the ones most afraid of dying?
Just something I was thinking about.
[quote]Dr Wiener[/quote]
Huh...
[QUOTE=Turnips5;28764065]He's implying we'll be afraid of death.[/QUOTE]
My question still stands. Will we get smarter and see the truth that the God is real or will we get more stupid and in desperation from fear of death we will turn into religion, disregarding everything we stood for?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;28764306]My question still stands. Will we get smarter and see the truth that the God is real or will we get more stupid and in desperation from fear of death we will turn into religion, disregarding everything we stood for?[/QUOTE]
I'm still young and i give no shit about religion so don't rape me with all these questions that make no sense
[QUOTE=Garik;28764316]I'm still young and i give no shit about religion so don't rape me with all these questions that make no sense[/QUOTE]
fuck man stop raping me with these nonsensical requests to not ask you questions
[QUOTE=Garik;28764316]I'm still young and i give no shit about religion so don't rape me with all these questions that make no sense[/QUOTE]
I'm still trying to be a smart man so please don't infect me with your idiocy
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28764357]fuck man stop raping me with these nonsensical requests to not ask you questions[/QUOTE]
Don't mind him. He's a dude who smokes weed erryday, fucks anything that moves and gives no shit in life.
ITT apparently anyone who has an opinion is stupid.
Anyway, the whole concept is flawed. Extinct = dead, and religion will never die out 100%. Cultures and languages are proof of this - Welsh has been around longer than English and, despite being nowhere near as widely spoken as English, it still is used extensively in Wales. Meanwhile, down in Cornwall, Cornish patriots still call out for independence from the UK and England.
So no, religion won't become extinct.
I really don't appreciate the snide insulting comments directed towered religion (especially Christianity). Why can't we all be a bit more mature?
[QUOTE=ZeroMinus;28763314]CERN is being hindered by religion because of the dubbing 'God-Particle' on the anti-matter they are trying to create.[/QUOTE]
Not anti-matter, it's a Higgs Boson which could explain gravity, blame the journos for the god particle horse crap.
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[QUOTE=ZeroMinus;28763454]Scientology.[/QUOTE]
You really don't have any idea what you're talking about do you?
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[QUOTE=Garik;28763971]I bet 90% of you guys will become religious when you get old.[/QUOTE]
I'm 19 and becoming anti theist as I get older.
And for the nail in your coffin, got any proof to back up that statement? :smug:
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[QUOTE=Garik;28764190]Nice job, you guessed it.
Heres your money.[/QUOTE]
Why be afraid of it, there's nothing after it to fear, there's just unawareness, like turning off a TV.
Besides if things continue going the way they are as long as I make it to 60 I won't exactly have to worry bout death :v:
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[QUOTE=David29;28764767]ITT apparently anyone who has an opinion is stupid.
Anyway, the whole concept is flawed. Extinct = dead, and religion will never die out 100%. Cultures and languages are proof of this - Welsh has been around longer than English and, despite being nowhere near as widely spoken as English, it still is used extensively in Wales. Meanwhile, down in Cornwall, Cornish patriots still call out for independence from the UK and England.
So no, religion won't become extinct.[/QUOTE]
There's a major difference between Religion and Ancestry.
Ancestry has a concrete logic evidence based foundation.
Religion doesn't.
[QUOTE=shadow_oap;28750089]Religion isn't the problem, humans are.[/QUOTE]
Making a judgement like that is idiotic. There is no absolute morality by which you can just say that humans are all bad... We have no intrinsic value, nor does religion, by which we can be judged as being bad or good. Your argument is like saying the world would be better without humans. There is no intrinsic value by which you can say if the world would be better or not. You can only say that its better for us that we exist. Religion cannot be judged as being a problem unless its specific to certain types of people.
[QUOTE=bravehat;28764828]There's a major difference between Religion and Ancestry.
Ancestry has a concrete logic evidence based foundation.
Religion doesn't.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't lessen my point - which was to to counter the idea laid out in the article that any superior and more attractive group (such as atheism or, in my example, English) will always eclipse and eventually destroy a rival group (such as theism or, in my example, Welsh), and it did.
Also, religion is part of ancestry. That's why Christianity spread slowly, just as languages did, and didn't just randomly pop up in places.
[QUOTE=Pantz76;28764824]I really don't appreciate the snide insulting comments directed towered religion (especially Christianity). We can't we all be a bit more mature?[/QUOTE]
Because this forum is full of bigots that only care for shit that affects them.
In this thread people fail to see the great societal benefits in religion.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theories_of_religion[/url]
Like they say, Better late than never.
No more Religions?
I think god might get abit pissed.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;28765092]In this thread people fail to see the great societal benefits in religion.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theories_of_religion[/url][/QUOTE]
What great social benefits does religion have that couldn't be achieved by community meetings and people helping each other?
Really.
I'm proud of my country for the first time :love:
[QUOTE=bravehat;28765196]What great social benefits does religion have that couldn't be achieved by community meetings and people helping each other?
Really.[/QUOTE]
That's like saying "we don't need another charity because there is already one that helps people".
[QUOTE=David29;28765233]That's like saying "we don't need another charity because there is already one that helps people".[/QUOTE]
well except that other charity doesn't help gay people
[QUOTE=David29;28765233]That's like saying "we don't need another charity because there is already one that helps people".[/QUOTE]
It's like you base your life on the statement "How retarded can I be today?"
Every abrahamic religion is the exact same, with minor variations like dick chopping, the rest of the stuff like "love thy neighbour" and "don't pump your mates missus" comes under the general statement be a good person not a wanker.
Really it's like you live by a strawman doctrine, and I wont even call them the next time.
[QUOTE=bravehat;28765196]What great social benefits does religion have that couldn't be achieved by community meetings and people helping each other?
Really.[/QUOTE]
Hahah a lot? Maybe read up on the functionalist/Marxist theory I posted - it was there to educate.
Whether you like it or agree with it or empathise with it or not, religion has the capability to create value consensus and a collective consciousness in society to a degree that no other system can. Pretty much every age-old law of any society today was influenced originally by religion - the world today was shaped entirely by religion.
Sure, it's place is being taken over by other things slowly, but that is not to say that it is a completely useless system in society. I really don't think it will ever disappear. Some societies have forcible tried to remove it and it just doesn't work.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28765286]well except that other charity doesn't help gay people[/QUOTE]
HERE'S MY POINT
Charities are dedicated to specific physical causes, not vague metaphysical wankfests over who gets to feel more righteous for putting 10p more in a fucking church basket, and pushing the local gay at the preacher saying "fix him in gods name"
What fucking purpose does organised religion serve? Really, give me a fucking glorious answer or I will never be convinced that religion serves a true irreplaceable purpose.
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[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;28765306]Hahah a lot? Maybe read up on the functionalist/Marxist theory I posted - it was there to educate.
Whether you like it or agree with it or empathise with it or not, religion has the capability to create value consensus and a collective consciousness in society to a degree that no other system can.[/QUOTE]
I direct your attention to american politics.
All it takes is a high degree of gullibility and stupidity and the subjects in any system achieve consensus.
[QUOTE=bravehat;28765325]
Really, give me a fucking glorious answer or I will never be convinced that religion serves a true irreplaceable purpose.[/quote]
Value consensus.
Collective consciousness.
Also, it gives people answers and structure to their lives that nothing else can - especially not science. Sure, that shows a weakness in a huge number of people, but it's true. People like to be told how to feel and what to do with their lives and religion does this perfectly.
[quote]All it takes is a high degree of gullibility and stupidity and the subjects in any system achieve consensus.[/QUOTE]
Example? I don't see consensus in America to a single political ideology or idea as much as I see the broad consensus to Christianity.
[QUOTE=bravehat;28765290]It's like you base your life on the statement "How retarded can I be today?"[/QUOTE]
Oh teacher, how can I learn from you today?
On a slightly different note, if anyone can answer me how science managed to produce all the materials needed to create the universe from nothing (i.e. where did it all come from - and don't say the fucking big bang because, although I believe it happened, it must have come from something), then I might be a bit more compliant.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;28765306]Hahah a lot? Maybe read up on the functionalist/Marxist theory I posted - it was there to educate.
Whether you like it or agree with it or empathise with it or not, religion has the capability to create value consensus and a collective consciousness in society to a degree that no other system can. Pretty much every age-old law of any society today was influenced originally by religion - the world today was shaped entirely by religion.
Sure, it's place is being taken over by other things slowly, but that is not to say that it is a completely useless system in society. I really don't think it will ever disappear. Some societies have forcible tried to remove it and it just doesn't work.[/QUOTE]
Also I just read Karl Marx's views on religion, and you just twisted it to your own ends, it actually supports my side, He says it holds the status quo and is fuelled by alienation from reality, I would agree, I would also agree with him that it is unnecessary and serves no worth while purpose that couldn't be solved by communities actually supporting themselves.
[QUOTE=David29;28765398]Oh teacher, how can I learn from you today?
On a slightly different note, if anyone can answer me how science managed to produce all the materials needed to create the universe from nothing (i.e. where did it all come from - and don't say the fucking big bang because, although I believe it happened, it must have come from something), then I might be a bit more compliant.[/QUOTE]
A singularity. A space the size of a molecule in which the laws of space and time cease to apply.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28765446]A singularity. A space the size of a molecule in which the laws of space and time cease to apply.[/QUOTE]
And what created that?
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;28765384]Value consensus.
Collective consciousness.
Also, it gives people answers and structure to their lives that nothing else can - especially not science. Sure, that shows a weakness in a huge number of people, but it's true. People like to be told how to feel and what to do with their lives and religion does this perfectly.
Example? I don't see consensus in America to a single political ideology or idea as much as I see the broad consensus to Christianity.[/QUOTE]
You have vast swathes of people rallying under the excruciatingly fucking stupid democrats and republicans, it's the same in the UK though.
Science doesn't try to give people a structure to live their lives by, if they feel they need to be told how to live then I have major problems with every one of them, they allow themselves to be fucking used.
And again political ideologies can easily replace religious ones, for example soviet communism, people were fanatical about that, ancestral patriotism does the same job.
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