Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says
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[QUOTE=Kab2tract;28778607]Killing for religion, something I don't understand.[/QUOTE]
An idea spreads better if it destroys all other opposing ideas.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28787253]It depends on how you define it. Pure rejection/lack of belief in gods has been around forever, but you're framing it as a sort of secular humanistic philosophy that's not an intrinsic part of atheism, which is a relatively modern development. To be fair, deism was the norm so far as secular worldviews went, and it was only really shifted into pure atheism when such things as The Origin of Species came about which provided a naturalistic framework for the world where a god wasn't needed.[/QUOTE]
That is what I said later on.
[editline]24th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=gudman;28787275]Atheism is merely a one particular part of skepticism. Scepticism existed as far as we can trace - it's common sense. If there was a statement - there always will be someone to disagree. But atheism as an ideology (for the lack of better word, a world view maybe) stepped to existence the same time as organised religion, a Church. There's always opposition.
Yeah, the would make sense as we know that the Sun is actually THERE, exists in full it's life-giving glory.[/QUOTE]
The thing is there was opposition, but it was an opposition because it [I]believed[/I] in OTHER gods. Atheism as an ideology evolved with the enlightenment, scientific revolution, Freud, Darwin, and many other conjectures.
I also stand on my [I]belief[/I] that atheism and religion are both ambiguous and undefined and should not be a topic of debate because no solid conclusions can be come to.
[QUOTE=SeverePapercut;28786252]this is true im working on it :/[/QUOTE]
Now your reminding me of my current self. Honest.
Have a heart. <3
I guess you don't totally live up to your name, "A paper cut, Completely harmless, but still fairly annoying".
YES! FINALLY! A WORLD WHERE SOMETHING THAT GIVES PEOPLE'S LIVES MEANING DOESN'T EXIST!
Seriously. I am completely for the removal of ignorance from the planet, but religion =/= ignorance. Just because someone believes in a higher power does not make them stupid or dull. Einstein himself said "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." One must not use religion as an excuse or a crutch intellectually, but more of a safety net spiritually. I'm also not arguing against the inverse. If you are atheistic, that is your choice, just as much as being a devout Roman Catholic is. (As backwards as their beliefs when it comes to extraneous funds are, but that's for another day.)
Religion comes from the ignorance of nature.
oh and there are things that give peoples lives meaning like wives, friends, videogames or even food.
Not saying every religious person is a hillybilly but it isn't needed to have a meaningful life.
[QUOTE=J!NX;28791479]Now your reminding me of my current self. Honest.
Have a heart. <3
I guess you don't totally live up to your name, "A paper cut, Completely harmless, but still fairly annoying".[/QUOTE]
thanks but the name is an inside joke between friends i could explain in but, nobody really gives a shit
[QUOTE=Isotope;28789910]What? Science pretty much directly contradicts large portions of the made up(or extremely exaggerated) fairytales in the bible and most other religious texts. Then if you take into account there would be hardly anything left of religion without their various holy books, it's rather easy to say science contradicts religion. I mean seriously, science contradicts it at its very core by suggesting you should observe evidence and logic, while religion suggests you should ignore it.
If you are suggesting that "faith" such as religion is even close to the same level of respectability as logic and facts, then I guess I just don't agree. I don't think brainwashing anyone into believing in non existent stuff like god, the tooth fairy, the easter bunny and santa is in any way helpful.[/QUOTE]
You have no idea what you're talking about.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28793024]Religion comes from the ignorance of nature.[/QUOTE]
A science-religion blend has been widely accepted in almost every country [i]except[/i] the United States. Stop making generalizations based on the US alone, it'd be like saying that all Arabic folk are Muslim, all Muslims are Arabic folk, and that they are all terrorists.
I hear members of this forum going on and on about rights and social justice, but as soon as religion comes up, fuck all they don't deserve rights because they "ignore science". Despite how they actually listen to science, lets just ignore this fact and say that creationists don't listen to fact like hypocritical oafs.
[QUOTE=Nick Nack;28791506]YES! FINALLY! A WORLD WHERE SOMETHING THAT GIVES PEOPLE'S LIVES MEANING DOESN'T EXIST!
Seriously. I am completely for the removal of ignorance from the planet, but religion =/= ignorance. Just because someone believes in a higher power does not make them stupid or dull. Einstein himself said "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." One must not use religion as an excuse or a crutch intellectually, but more of a safety net spiritually. I'm also not arguing against the inverse. If you are atheistic, that is your choice, just as much as being a devout Roman Catholic is. (As backwards as their beliefs when it comes to extraneous funds are, but that's for another day.)[/QUOTE]
Basically this.
[QUOTE=joes33431;28794006]A science-religion blend has been widely accepted in almost every country [i]except[/i] the United States. Stop making generalizations based on the US alone, it'd be like saying that all Arabic folk are Muslim, all Muslims are Arabic folk, and that they are all terrorists[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about?
Im just saying that just like a belief that the lockness monster is real comes from an ignorance of the local ecosystem it would live in so is a belief of god ignorance of physics or the scientific method. you just get offended easily and your the one making the biggest deal about this.
[QUOTE=Killerhurtz;28759849]I wasn't comparing religion to war. I was just making a parallel. War has shaped this world, and without it, it wouldn't be what it is now. Admittedly, if I had to choose between war and religion, religion would be the pick, as at least it's tolerable.[/QUOTE]
Of course.. violence is a necessity, but religion is the one standing on the opposite side, telling you to forgive (yourself), to move on past the grieve and shit that follows of war and other "bad" things.
but the church right now is kinda like hypocritical, they are not enforcing everyone to stand up for themselves in the name of.. "Good" and forget about the metaphoras of God and Jesus getting executed and what-not, which is totally beside the point imo..
So all in all religion is a lot more than "hey we like to be thick-headed and convince ourselves there is God and we shut our ears to your science-bullshit" that ideology is just plain fucking stupid and doesn't have anything to do with religious behaving, which would be good or appropriate behavior. basically just handshaking, being polite, respecting the neighbor as in other human. that + scientific breakthroughs etc human-stuff = Fucking Godlike!
it's the ultimate double edged sword i'm telling you.
It seems to me that the sensible religious people everyone keeps saying "aren't like the loud minority that are so extreme" are really just people who pick and choose things from their religious books to listen to. Now, forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that kind of go against the idea of having a religious book that the followers are, you know, [I]supposed to follow[/I]?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28795054]Now, forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that kind of go against the idea of having a religious book that the followers are, you know, [I]supposed to follow[/I]?[/QUOTE]
who cares
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28795054]It seems to me that the sensible religious people everyone keeps saying "aren't like the loud minority that are so extreme" are really just people who pick and choose things from their religious books to listen to. Now, forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that kind of go against the idea of having a religious book that the followers are, you know, [I]supposed to follow[/I]?[/QUOTE]
people would argue different interpretations, which is why you get all sorts of denominations within religions
[QUOTE=thisispain;28795071]who cares[/QUOTE]
Look, this thread's had 17 pages already. Clearly people care.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28795115]Look, this thread's had 17 pages already. Clearly people care.[/QUOTE]
no who cares whether people follow a specific doctrine or not
[QUOTE=thisispain;28795126]no who cares whether people follow a specific doctrine or not[/QUOTE]
I guess I do. I think that's kind of a large deal in the religious community, otherwise there wouldn't be different sects of Christianity and all that.
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The thing is there was opposition, but it was an opposition because it [I]believed[/I] in OTHER gods. Atheism as an ideology evolved with the enlightenment, scientific revolution, Freud, Darwin, and many other conjectures.
I also stand on my [I]belief[/I] that atheism and religion are both ambiguous and undefined and should not be a topic of debate because no solid conclusions can be come to.[/QUOTE]
That's because we're using this term. That term was used by Romans actually, and they meant by it 'Nonbelieveing in Deities'. Then that term was forgotten for years, yet there still were a number of people who don't believe in gods. If I can stay on a position that even if science is not yet able to fully uncover how did Big Bang happen, it still doesn't mean there's a god there - why can't Ancient Greeks, or Romans, or anyone? Occam Razor steps in (yes I know he was a monk) - the less essences you bring to explain something, the better.
Atheism, as I said, is a skepticism dressed up to suit particular form. It doesn't say 'God is non-existant'' it never did. It's kind of... eh... fundamental/rdical form of negative agnosticism. It says 'We don't actually know yet, but most likely there's no god'.
But however, there're a number of people who think that atheism is a form of religion. Dogmatic 'atheists' - the worst thing I've ever saw, they're just like any other bigots. Stupid, stubborn, uneducated, with no sense of interest in the discussion, close minded bigots.
[QUOTE=thisispain;28795126]no who cares whether people follow a specific doctrine or not[/QUOTE]
homosexuals do/
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28795054]It seems to me that the sensible religious people everyone keeps saying "aren't like the loud minority that are so extreme" are really just people who pick and choose things from their religious books to listen to. Now, forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that kind of go against the idea of having a religious book that the followers are, you know, [I]supposed to follow[/I]?[/QUOTE]
it's less pick and choosing and more interpretation
[QUOTE=Archy;28796193]it's less pick and choosing and more interpretation[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it say in the Book of Leviticus that you should not lay with a man as you lay with a woman? I don't know how you could interpret that to be anything other than "it's not okay to be gay". I'm pretty sure choosing not to follow that particular part of the Bible is indeed picking and choosing.
[QUOTE=Nick Nack;28791506]YES! FINALLY! A WORLD WHERE SOMETHING THAT GIVES PEOPLE'S LIVES MEANING DOESN'T EXIST!
Seriously. I am completely for the removal of ignorance from the planet, but religion =/= ignorance. Just because someone believes in a higher power does not make them stupid or dull. Einstein himself said "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." One must not use religion as an excuse or a crutch intellectually, but more of a safety net spiritually. I'm also not arguing against the inverse. If you are atheistic, that is your choice, just as much as being a devout Roman Catholic is. (As backwards as their beliefs when it comes to extraneous funds are, but that's for another day.)[/QUOTE]
Appeal to authority.
How exactly is religion not ignorance? They're blindly believing something that has no evidence at all to back it up, and something that is logically impossible (omnipotence for example).
If that isn't ignorance then what is?
I am late to the party.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;28796747]Appeal to authority.
How exactly is religion not ignorance? They're blindly believing something that has no evidence at all to back it up, and something that is logically impossible (omnipotence for example).
If that isn't ignorance then what is?[/QUOTE]
It's faith without evidence. It's the highest virtue of all, it makes you spiritual, enlightened, it grants you ability to see thrugh the walls of external world right into the core of Eternity. Grants you the knowledge of truth and brings the eternal salvation from the endless fear and pain down below, in Hell.
Something like that.
[QUOTE=gudman;28797043]It's faith without evidence. It's the highest virtue of all, it makes you spiritual, enlightened, it grants you ability to see thrugh the walls of external world right into the core of Eternity. Grants you the knowledge of truth and brings the eternal salvation from the endless fear and pain down below, in Hell.
Something like that.[/QUOTE]
It's believing what other people say without questioning it. Makes you attribute changes and events in your life to divine intervention. And saves you from a place that doesn't exist.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;28797066]It's believing what other people say without questioning it. Makes you attribute changes and events in your life to divine intervention. And saves you from a place that doesn't exist.[/QUOTE]
Nice translation there. I always thought that christianiese is hard. Perhaps, it's not.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28796263]Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it say in the Book of Leviticus that you should not lay with a man as you lay with a woman? I don't know how you could interpret that to be anything other than "it's not okay to be gay". I'm pretty sure choosing not to follow that particular part of the Bible is indeed picking and choosing.[/QUOTE]
the book of leviticus and priestly was meant to address people of an archaic society. a lot of things in the bible aren't applicable any more. just a bunch of outdated laws
[QUOTE=gudman;28797043]It's faith without evidence. It's the highest virtue of all, it makes you spiritual, enlightened, it grants you ability to see thrugh the walls of external world right into the core of Eternity. Grants you the knowledge of truth and brings the eternal salvation from the endless fear and pain down below, in Hell.
Something like that.[/QUOTE]
source?
Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi
-The land of my fathers, [b]the land of my choice,[/b]
Hell, we really took that literally.
[QUOTE=Jon27;28800625]Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi
-The land of my fathers, [b]the land of my choice,[/b]
Hell, we really took that literally.[/QUOTE]
why are we quoting the welsh national anthem
[editline]25th March 2011[/editline]
i know it's about wales but still
God is the ultimate badass.
He expects us to be the best, and when we don't, he punishes us.
Also one notable sign of ultimate badassery is that the laws of God are carved in stone, unlike the laws of man written on paper.
Not to mention the fact that if you violate the laws of man, you go to prison. But when you break the laws of God.. you go to hell!
Motherfuckers :colbert:
He has this whole world spinning on his finger like a basketball. Whether you like it or not! :v:
We must find the place where his finger contacts the earth!
[editline]25th March 2011[/editline]
and drop nukes on it
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