• Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says
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[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28810526]You should never have complete confidence in anything. Also have fun with your faith in police when you realize there are many criminals that get away. Not to mention that they way religious people use it does mean without proof.[/QUOTE] All I ask of you is to explain it fully (i.e. in more than one sentence). Surely you have more to discuss than "it has no proof so there". This is supposed to be a debate, after all.
Well its your job to provide proof duh. If something does not have proof and I say it does not have proof I win the argument unless you can find proof.
[QUOTE=joes33431;28810507]Faith (n.) complete confidence in a person or plan etc. Faith can be based on logical conclusions, can it not? I have faith in my local police department to bring justice to criminals. I have faith in my doctor to help me when sick or injured. Anyhow, I'd like you to explain your whole "faith is against logic" argument.[/QUOTE] What is with you people and misconstruing things? Obviously he doesn't mean something like "faith in your fellow man", he means the religious virtue of faith as in "take something on faith", believing without proof or evidence.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28811058]What is with you people and misconstruing things? Obviously he doesn't mean something like "faith in your fellow man", he means the religious virtue of faith as in "take something on faith", believing without proof or evidence.[/QUOTE] He's just another Internet Christian™ trying to make the opposition sound retarded.
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;28811284]He's just another Internet Christian™ trying to make the opposition sound retarded.[/QUOTE] Because Internet Atheists™ haven't tried to do the same. The only difference is that atheists don't even [i]need[/i] to argue, we make ourselves look silly on our own.
Its like saying because the kkk killed black children we should kill white children in return and its ok. Just because one group of people did it doesnt mean you should go to there level (that is if atheist make lies about christians of course which I dont think they would have to)
[QUOTE=joes33431;28811781]Because Internet Atheists™ haven't tried to do the same. The only difference is that atheists don't even [i]need[/i] to argue, we make ourselves look silly on our own.[/QUOTE] Ok good job ignoring the fact that you're deliberately misrepresenting his argument (or you just have that poor comprehension) and insulting people instead.
[quote=BBC NEWS]A study using census data from nine countries shows that religion there is set for extinction, say researchers. The study found a steady rise in those claiming no religious affiliation.[/quote] Thank god.
Progress finally!!! now so many people won't be judgmental and biased because of their religion.
I am certainly not a fan of religion, but if people want to believe they should be allowed to, as long as they aren't trying to force people into it, or taking it to extremes. I believe that Chaos is all that exists, Order and Disorder are simply illusions imposed on chaos. By description this makes me [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism]Discordian[/url], but I just like the theory, I'd still class myself as an Atheist.
Wow this thread is still going on?
There are plenty of positive points to religion aswell but I highly doubt that it will die out.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;28810080]So you think it's illogical to believe that people should respect and basically love one another.[/QUOTE] Strawman, I'm an atheist who donates blood and tries to help people as often as I can, I tried to donate a tenner to a charity for soldiers hurt in war and the guy refused to take my money saying it was too much. People can be good but religion gives good people an excuse and justification for doing wrong, and either way, yeah religion is illogical, if god is real and loves us so much then why does he condemn us to hell? why does he hide himself in clouds? why did he fail to destroy evil TWICE if he is all powerful? Plot holes mother fucker, plot holes every where.
[QUOTE=joes33431;28805019]how does a belief of an omnipresent diety go against the laws of physics. excuse me for being dumb but please explain it to me Oh, and the Loch Ness Monster may not be a monster as urban legend tells it. However, there have been recent findings of what appears to be a large creature beneath the water's surface. Some scientists theorize the creature could be a species of animal once thought extinct. :eng101: [editline]March 25, 2010[/editline] Oh, and the big thing most people tend to miss when reading the Bible, is the teachings of the apostle Paul. He made as clear as possible in his writings in the New Testament that the old laws stated in the Old Testament were no longer to apply to Christians. It's basically the entire point that disciples were trying to make after Jesus's death. Sacrifice. Old laws = no homo. Old laws do not apply. Therefore, go homo, god has no problem with it.[/QUOTE] actually paul totally said a ton of things about homos being bad but whatever
[QUOTE=Treybuchet;28817355]actually paul totally said a ton of things about homos being bad but whatever[/QUOTE] Didn't Matthew also not say something along the lines of ["Not a jot or tittle of the law will pass till Heaven and Earth pass away"]? I may be very wrong, so correct me please.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;28817503]Didn't Matthew also not say something along the lines of ["Not a jot or tittle of the law will pass till Heaven and Earth pass away"]? I may be very wrong, so correct me please.[/QUOTE]I posted that in the previous page, and another quote. [QUOTE=Sgt Doom;28807300]2 Peter 19-21, New International Version We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. Matthew 5:17-20 New International Version “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.[/QUOTE] There's a few others, but those are the only ones I could remember enough of to find them.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28810311]he's talking about organized religion.[/QUOTE] Yeah, which is just bullshit with more powerful people sitting on top of the chain, acting like they are more closer to God than the rest of us, and now THAT is illogical if something is. We are supposed to be equal after all, which is not the case. But religion should be all about that, which is not the case, again. So yeah it's pretty pointless. But it is also pointless (illogical even) to have a choice in which God to believe in. Just think about it. So, all in all, I would like to believe in God, I would [b]really[/b] like to, but none of these organized religions don't seem to be on the right tracks plus the fact that whole religious activity gained great appreciation simply because back then people were so god damned gullible. I don't know if you see it, but I see it. One big fucking misconception with a truly good and simple moral code behind it, that doesn't seem to hold any importance anymore. Which is truly a shame. [/imo?]
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;28813003]I am certainly not a fan of religion, but if people want to believe they should be allowed to[/QUOTE] I dont think anyone here is wanting to go hitler on christians. People aren't becoming athiests because they have to they are because more people see it as logical.
Almost all wars are caused at some point by religion.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;28762995]There are some idiots who try and hold it back as in "WE ARNT MOVIN TILL JESUS SAYS SO". Otherwise regular people don't hold it back, coming from a theist perspective.[/QUOTE] I'm no Christian, but Muslim. Islam encourages scientific advances and research. Maybe that's why I didn't see how. As long as they don't conflict with its teachings, it should be fine. So far I haven't seen any big scientific progress nullified by it; except for the theory of evolution. That's just my opinion. Too lazy to monitor this thread now. Better off flashing CyanogenMod.
[QUOTE=Capn'Underpants;28819746]Almost all wars are caused at some point by religion.[/QUOTE] Almost all idiots stood a chance of being intelligent logical people at some point in their lives, but that ship sails before they get to it. Please, enlighten me, were you dropped on your head as a child or did your mum just drink whilst she was carrying you?
[u]CHRISTIANITY WONT DIE ON MY WATCH![/u] [i]**is a baby boomer** **will die in less than 15 years due to diabetes/age/yelling at television**[/i]
[QUOTE=Capn'Underpants;28819746]Almost all wars are caused at some point by religion.[/QUOTE] brb mexican revolution also world war II even world war I also korea next vietnam that's enough examples
[QUOTE=David29;28809630]I laughed at the part where the atheist completely misinterpreted Christianity.[/QUOTE] tell me the gospel assit was ment ta be missa preecha man [editline]27th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SCopE5000;28813003]I am certainly not a fan of religion, but if people want to believe they should be allowed to, as long as they aren't trying to force people into it, or taking it to extremes. I believe that Chaos is all that exists, Order and Disorder are simply illusions imposed on chaos. By description this makes me [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism]Discordian[/url], but I just like the theory, I'd still class myself as an Atheist.[/QUOTE] A discordian sounds like a punk rock accordion.
tbh, I wouldn't want to 'live forever' even if in a paradise filled with harps and clouds. Hinduism and Bhuddism is the best religious ideologies.
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