CO2 levels pass 400ppm for the first time in 3-5 million years - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mad Chatter;40596636]Let's poke a hole in the ozone layer, get some big fans, and blow all the CO2 into space.[/QUOTE] Everyone to Antarctica!

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;40596650]can't do that I'm afraid all the gravity would escape too and last time that happened boy was it grim[/QUOTE] sucked out all the dinosaurs right into space

[QUOTE=smurfy;40596528]Lol yh nothing at all [img]http://imgkk.com/i/t-k1.gif[/img][/QUOTE] Take 999,600 people wearing red shirts, and put 400 people wearing blue shirts in. That's being one sample, which is almost nothing comparative to the entirety of the atmosphere. I'm not saying this isn't an issue, what I'm saying is don't lose any sleep over it.

Pretty much every year we are being told: -We are beyond the worst case scenarios -Last year was the hottest ever -CO2 is higher than ever before And nobody is doing anything. Everyone has decided "We're sick of hearing about that climate thing, leave us alone so we can make money". Maybe we would have made progress if the bankers hadn't destroyed the global economy in 2008, but the Great Recession has set back any climate action by at least 10 years. And, if we continue on our pattern of 8-year alternating presidential terms, we won't even be seriously thinking about changing anything until 2024. Pretty much every model says that by then, we'll be powerless to change anything. We're heading for famine, crop crashes, mass starvation, and extreme weather destruction, and nothing is going to change it short of some massive technological innovations. Stuff like moving all of our power generation to orbiting power satellites, building massive artificial carbon sinks, and artificial forms of sun reflection to replace the Arctic ice that will probably be gone entirely within the next ten years. Nobody is contributing a fraction of what it costs to develop stuff like that and have it ready to deploy in 10 years. Fuck all y'all, I'm gonna get a degree in finance, rape 3rd world nations with predatory loans, and get my ass to Elysium before the atmosphere becomes unbreathable.

[QUOTE=Sableye;40596579]ya but that chart is kinda bad, [b]it only represents ranges between 270 and 400 ppm, so of course a rise in ppm would show a massive spike[/b][/QUOTE] here you go should also remind people this is over the course of a thousand years and the industrial revolution blew it up. not sure that graph ended exactly at 1900 or was the number for the 1900's in general, but the falloff feels like it should be an increase instead. [img]http://i.imgur.com/rj9Esva.png[/img]

I'll worry when it's a million parts per million.

[QUOTE=don868;40596717]Take 999,600 people wearing red shirts, and put 400 people wearing blue shirts in. That's being one sample, which is almost nothing comparative to the entirety of the atmosphere. I'm not saying this isn't an issue, what I'm saying is don't lose any sleep over it.[/QUOTE] we don't just do it with one single sensor you know there's thousands of detectors all over the world.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;40596752]Pretty much every year we are being told: -We are beyond the worst case scenarios -Last year was the hottest ever -CO2 is higher than ever before And nobody is doing anything. Everyone has decided "We're sick of hearing about that climate thing, leave us alone so we can make money". Maybe we would have made progress if the bankers hadn't destroyed the global economy in 2008, but the Great Recession has set back any climate action by at least 10 years. And, if we continue on our pattern of 8-year alternating presidential terms, we won't even be seriously thinking about changing anything until 2024. Pretty much every model says that by then, we'll be powerless to change anything. We're heading for famine, crop crashes, mass starvation, and extreme weather destruction, and nothing is going to change it short of some massive technological innovations. Stuff like moving all of our power generation to orbiting power satellites, building massive artificial carbon sinks, and artificial forms of sun reflection to replace the Arctic ice that will probably be gone entirely within the next ten years. Nobody is contributing a fraction of what it costs to develop stuff like that and have it ready to deploy in 10 years. Fuck all y'all, I'm gonna get a degree in finance, rape 3rd world nations with predatory loans, and get my ass to Elysium before the atmosphere becomes unbreathable.[/QUOTE] Part of me thinks that the reason we haven't done much of anything is because politicians and the people are focused on the wrong part of the issue, by which I mean they keep going back and forth on "Are WE causing it?" And while that might be somewhat important, it's monumentally less important than just acknowledging the fact that CO2 levels are climbing. It would probably be in everyone's best interest if the media and the politicians came to the agreement that "Okay, so here's the situation: CO2 levels are rising quicker than we would expect, and we have a pretty good idea of what the consequences will be in the near future. Regardless of what is causing this rise, what can we do NOW to minimize our own output while also preparing for the inevitable effects of a warmer climate?" Unfortunately, not too many people seem to want to look at it that way. I'm not too worried about humanity coming through this, but I am worried about...well, mostly everything else. Not every species is as adaptable and resilient as we are.

[QUOTE=smurfy;40596528]Lol yh nothing at all [img]http://imgkk.com/i/t-k1.gif[/img][/QUOTE] bitch, LOG that scale! [img]http://blogs-images.forbes.com/naomirobbins/files/2012/01/linear_log.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=don868;40596717]Take 999,600 people wearing red shirts, and put 400 people wearing blue shirts in. That's being one sample, which is almost nothing comparative to the entirety of the atmosphere. I'm not saying this isn't an issue, [B]what I'm saying is don't lose any sleep over it.[/B][/QUOTE]So fucking dense

We need more forests to balance it out. It's not just all that old Carboniferous carbon being released into the atmosphere; it's because the Old Forests have been cut down. The Amazon is being slashed and burned for palm oil plantations, whilst the great forests of Europe had been cleared away centuries ago for vast fields of wheat to feed the ever-growing number of mouths in our world. I dunno about the Siberian forests, but I suspect they've been intruded on as well. Between the dwindling forests and burning of ancient fossil fuels, it's no surprise we're getting more CO2 in the air. What needs to happen is the planting of vast forests across the world, so that as they grow tall and strong they lock up the carbon in their fibrous trunks and branches. There also needs to be some kind of supermassive scare concerning fossil fuels and deforestation, something to make such actions a direct threat to all of humanity, like a virus that inhabited crude oil and could turn humans into zombies, or a runaway experiment that turned all trees into sentient beings. Essentially some form of ecological MAD wherein the mistreatment of the environment brings dire consequences to the world VERY quickly as opposed to gradually. Basically stuff along the lines of "stop drilling or be possessed by black oil" or "stop chopping down the forest or the trees will lay waste to your cities", except not fictional and all too terrifyingly real; if such things occurred we wouldn't have as much of an issue concerning global warming. We'd have fears of zombie apocalypse or revenge of the trees, but the fear of the Ents destroying Sao Paulo or people being turned into zombies by parasitic petrol would be discouragement enough.

[QUOTE=don868;40596717]Take 999,600 people wearing red shirts, and put 400 people wearing blue shirts in. That's being one sample, which is almost nothing comparative to the entirety of the atmosphere. I'm not saying this isn't an issue, what I'm saying is don't lose any sleep over it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=No_Excuses;40596775]I'll worry when it's a million parts per million.[/QUOTE] I'm really glad you two aren't in charge of environmental policy. Let's go with a better analogy: let's say that one large lake generally has 180 to 280 fish in it, going back and forth between those numbers in the span of a year, with 280 in the summer and 180 in the winter. The lake is large, so fish make up 180 to 280 ppm of the lake. Then, in the span of a few days, there are suddenly 400 fish. Wouldn't you say that that's a big deal? I guess we can say that H2O levels in this scenario would be represented by fish poop.

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;40596775]I'll worry when it's a million parts per million.[/QUOTE]You won't be here to worry, in fact nobody will. [editline]10th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ironman17;40596995]We need more forests to balance it out. It's not just all that old Carboniferous carbon being released into the atmosphere; it's because the Old Forests have been cut down. The Amazon is being slashed and burned for palm oil plantations, whilst the great forests of Europe had been cleared away centuries ago for vast fields of wheat to feed the ever-growing number of mouths in our world. I dunno about the Siberian forests, but I suspect they've been intruded on as well. Between the dwindling forests and burning of ancient fossil fuels, it's no surprise we're getting more CO2 in the air. What needs to happen is the planting of vast forests across the world, so that as they grow tall and strong they lock up the carbon in their fibrous trunks and branches. There also needs to be some kind of supermassive scare concerning fossil fuels and deforestation, something to make such actions a direct threat to all of humanity, like a virus that inhabited crude oil and could turn humans into zombies, or a runaway experiment that turned all trees into sentient beings. Essentially some form of ecological MAD wherein the mistreatment of the environment brings dire consequences to the world VERY quickly as opposed to gradually. Basically stuff along the lines of "stop drilling or be possessed by black oil" or "stop chopping down the forest or the trees will lay waste to your cities", except not fictional and all too terrifyingly real; if such things occurred we wouldn't have as much of an issue concerning global warming. We'd have fears of zombie apocalypse or revenge of the trees, but the fear of the Ents destroying Sao Paulo or people being turned into zombies by parasitic petrol would be discouragement enough.[/QUOTE]We'll need to do a lot more than just replant a bunch of forests, which could take decades to even fully grow.

[QUOTE=don868;40596717]Take 999,600 people wearing red shirts, and put 400 people wearing blue shirts in. That's being one sample, which is almost nothing comparative to the entirety of the atmosphere. I'm not saying this isn't an issue, what I'm saying is don't lose any sleep over it.[/QUOTE] It's 0.4%. Imagine if say, 0.4% of a meal you ate was shit. Say you eat a good, juicy 500-gram-steak. Two grams of that is shit. Are you okay with that?

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;40596775]I'll worry when it's a million parts per million.[/QUOTE] We'd all be dead by then from lack of oxygen.

to be honest, the amount of carbon in the air can eventually be used to make bio fuels with hydrogen gas. there have already been advances in this idea such as the breeding of E.coli for this purpose. i say give them 5-10 years.

[QUOTE=ironman17;40596995]We need more forests to balance it out. It's not just all that old Carboniferous carbon being released into the atmosphere; it's because the Old Forests have been cut down. The Amazon is being slashed and burned for palm oil plantations, whilst the great forests of Europe had been cleared away centuries ago for vast fields of wheat to feed the ever-growing number of mouths in our world. I dunno about the Siberian forests, but I suspect they've been intruded on as well. Between the dwindling forests and burning of ancient fossil fuels, it's no surprise we're getting more CO2 in the air. What needs to happen is the planting of vast forests across the world, so that as they grow tall and strong they lock up the carbon in their fibrous trunks and branches. There also needs to be some kind of supermassive scare concerning fossil fuels and deforestation, something to make such actions a direct threat to all of humanity, like a virus that inhabited crude oil and could turn humans into zombies, or a runaway experiment that turned all trees into sentient beings. Essentially some form of ecological MAD wherein the mistreatment of the environment brings dire consequences to the world VERY quickly as opposed to gradually. Basically stuff along the lines of "stop drilling or be possessed by black oil" or "stop chopping down the forest or the trees will lay waste to your cities", except not fictional and all too terrifyingly real; if such things occurred we wouldn't have as much of an issue concerning global warming. We'd have fears of zombie apocalypse or revenge of the trees, but the fear of the Ents destroying Sao Paulo or people being turned into zombies by parasitic petrol would be discouragement enough.[/QUOTE] Or we don't neglect the ocean as much. Seriously Oceanography should be a mandatory high school science requirement so people can learn how doomed we really are. Planting forests won't do anything because we will have already killed ourselves through ocean neglect by the time they're big enough to make a dent. [img]http://i.imgur.com/EpAU358.jpg[/img] It is the most important asset and resource on the planet and we're doing nothing to stop it's decline.

Maybe the abundance of CO2 in the atmosphere will give us cool super powers or make us really tall.

[QUOTE=omggrass;40597095]to be honest, the amount of carbon in the air can eventually be used to make bio fuels with hydrogen gas. there have already been advances in this idea such as the breeding of E.coli for this purpose. i say give them 5-10 years.[/QUOTE] PROTIP: We're researching methods of making fuel from [URL="http://arpa-e.energy.gov/?q=arpa-e-projects/biofuels-e-coli"][I]liquid[/I][/URL] CO2. You cannot just wizard that shit out of the air, it's expensive and finicky and the yield is too low for the cost.

We all know its because of Farting Cows

The last time it was that high was before humans existed. So what did it that time

we're all gonna die

lol earth got fucking owned

[QUOTE=TheTalon;40597540]The last time it was that high was before humans existed. So what did it that time[/QUOTE] Volcanic activity has a role in this play; eruptions do belch out plenty of CO2 and other such gases.

I've really been sure there's nothing we can do to solve or even significantly slow this problem in our lifetimes since a few years ago. Here we are now, having changed almost nothing in a decade, learned almost nothing in a decade, and we still haven't even looked at the problem in a significant way. Our society is so far away from a solution, it really feels like an atmosphere of "Who cares". Honestly, it's so fucking depressing knowing ill never get to dive the Great Barrier Reef with my kids and experience that beauty. I just feel bad for our generations potential kids. What are they going to have

[QUOTE=smurfy;40596528]Lol yh nothing at all [img]http://imgkk.com/i/t-k1.gif[/img][/QUOTE] When will the CO2 bubble pop?

guys it's simple we just need to scrub the oxygen off the carbon, right you return the oxygen to the atmosphere because it's cool and then you take the carbon you are left with and turn it into diamonds solve the ecological AND the economical crisis at once!

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40598197]scrub the oxygen off the carbon[/QUOTE] let me get my scouring pad

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[img]http://i.imgur.com/ymlC3by.png[/img] Whoops, I think we left the CO2 faucet open guys!