Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself’, document says
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[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47629086][url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html?tid=sm_tw[/url]
If this is true, then it's more of a failure to follow policy issue, rather than a "cops kill black guy" issue.[/QUOTE]
Yaaa no the inmate in question was released because of this testimony, doesn't that strike you the least bit questionable? Also where's the evidence of the massive head injuries that would have accompanied this, and what about the testimony that Grey was peaceful through the whole ordeal.
[QUOTE=Fangz;47629102]I really doubt he severed his own spine.[/QUOTE]
You'd probably have to be on some serious meth to sever your own spine by beating your head against the side of a van. Probably kill yourself via blunt force trauma to the head before then. But I believe it if they say he was bashing his head against the side. people in the back of patrol cars do it all the time. They love trying to knock out the windows. And when they do the police pull over, and depending on the amount of a fight they put up, forcefully strap their asses down so they can't destroy the car or hurt themselves trying by binding their feet and then shutting the strap in the door. This is where his injury came from right here.
Hard to believe slamming your own head would sever the spine though. Then again they do say NEARLY severed so who the fuck knows anymore
[QUOTE=Sableye;47631558]Yaaa no the inmate in question was released because of this testimony, doesn't that strike you the least bit questionable? Also where's the evidence of the massive head injuries that would have accompanied this, and what about the testimony that Grey was peaceful through the whole ordeal.[/QUOTE]
Where does it say the inmate was released? The article says he's still in jail. Also, where does it say anything about a head injuries? It doesn't say he was banging his head against the cage, just that he was "banging against the cage". If there is any evidence, it's most likely being held until the investigations are complete. And lastly, this testimony contradicts the peaceful one, which is why it's still a big "IF" situation. Testimony isn't necessarily reliable, and either testimony could be wrong. The investigations will show which one was more correct.
I'm pretty sure everyone knows that this isn't 100% undeniable proof, but it does shed a bit of doubt on everything.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;47631576]You'd probably have to be on some serious meth to sever your own spine by beating your head against the side of a van. Probably kill yourself via blunt force trauma to the head before then. But I believe it if they say he was bashing his head against the side. people in the back of patrol cars do it all the time. They love trying to knock out the windows. And when they do the police pull over, and depending on the amount of a fight they put up, forcefully strap their asses down so they can't destroy the car or hurt themselves trying by binding their feet and then shutting the strap in the door. This is where his injury came from right here.
Hard to believe slamming your own head would sever the spine though. Then again they do say NEARLY severed so who the fuck knows anymore[/QUOTE]
Well, it is possible to [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Frerotte#Washington_Redskins]sprain your neck pretty badly[/url] or even [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boban_Jankovi%C4%87#Panionios_tragedy]permamently damage your spine[/url] to the point where become paralyzed by banging your head against something intentionally.
[QUOTE=Coridan;47631002]While at one of the precincts, I've seen a handcuffed prisoner at a booking desk pick up a pen with his mouth and slam his head into another prisoner, sending the pen through his throat, which killed him shortly after despite our attempts to save him.
I don't think you understand a criminals mind or what a person is capable of if their state of mind is not sound.[/QUOTE]
I think there's a pretty big difference between inmates committing murders with pens and an injured man severing his own spinal cord for no discernible purpose.
With this issue I tend to store my opinions in the spot that is precisely equidistant from Fox News and Tumblr.
I think that's the most sane way to go
[QUOTE=srobins;47631944]I think there's a pretty big difference between inmates committing murders with pens and an injured man severing his own spinal cord for no discernible purpose.[/QUOTE]
You're absolutely right, and yes, my story was a completely different situation than this. I think you missed my point...
I was trying to illustrate the point that people do crazy things you do not expect, especially when they know they're going down for something. Even more so when they are a mentally unstable criminal.
The man in my story was not an inmate, and he did not have a purpose for stabbing the person next to him. He just did it because he knew he'd [i]probably[/i] be getting locked up, so why the hell not, right!
so nobody knows the complete details of what happened yet the majority of people who are in-the-loop are taking sides immediately and making assumptions that aren't backed up by any real evidence yet
reminds me of the trayvon martin fiasco (altho there wasn't a cop in that one), michael brown fiasco, et cetera and it'll keep happening because the two major players are "all cops are black-exclusive murderers" and "black people just hate all cops"
i mean it's interesting to stay out of it and just spectate but i'm sure other people have noticed this same thing just happening over and over lol
the evidence we have is the initial street video. the video clearly shows freddie gray's state of pain caused by how the officers subdued him, planting their knees down his neck and back. the cops transporting gray have[URL="http://facepunch.com/"] accountability[IMG]http://cdncache1-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png[/IMG][/URL] for not getting him attention and of his eventual death. they were severely late on getting him immediate medical attention and this can[URL="http://facepunch.com/"] be found[IMG]http://cdncache1-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png[/IMG][/URL] purposeful. they are proven to have called in for a broken arm rather than life threatening spinal injury that is evident to any sensible human being. next we have a huge delay in his autopsy being released which alone got people very upset and the unacceptable display of violence we all saw brought to you by CNN drones.
now here is a fresh narrative which is so shameful arising from the clever minds at CNN/MSNBC twisting another prisoner's interpretation of the banging that occurred. the prisoner himself thought the police killed gray and stated he overheard them bragging about hurting gray. this narrative is almost a month late and the investigation AGAIN proves how illegitimate our justice system has become when righting wrongs.
[QUOTE=sYnced;47636090]the evidence we have is the initial street video. the video clearly shows freddie gray's state of pain caused by how the officers subdued him, planting their knees down his neck and back.[/QUOTE]
I've watched the video, he looks like he goes limp; perhaps it's due to pain, perhaps it's a continued effort to resist arrest.
More to the point, if you don't want to potentially get hurt, don't run from police; they weren't sitting there beating the shit out of him (from what I saw), they were restraining someone who made the decision to run.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;47637477]I've watched the video, he looks like he goes limp; perhaps it's due to pain, perhaps it's a continued effort to resist arrest.
More to the point, if you don't want to potentially get hurt, don't run from police; they weren't sitting there beating the shit out of him (from what I saw), they were restraining someone who made the decision to run.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it's pretty simple, if you don't want the cops to restrain you, don't make them restrain you.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;47637477]I've watched the video, he looks like he goes limp; perhaps it's due to pain, perhaps it's a continued effort to resist arrest.
More to the point, if you don't want to potentially get hurt, don't run from police; they weren't sitting there beating the shit out of him (from what I saw), they were restraining someone who made the decision to run.[/QUOTE]
that isn't the point at all.
he died from his injuries AFTER being detained by police.
it doesn't matter if you run or adhere to the police, they don't make the decision to end someone's life.
[QUOTE=sYnced;47639154]that isn't the point at all.
he died from his injuries AFTER being detained by police.
it doesn't matter if you run or adhere to the police, they don't make the decision to end someone's life.[/QUOTE]
Not claiming to know much about the situation, but surely he'd have fared better if he didn't run?
[QUOTE=Pyroknight;47642134]Not claiming to know much about the situation, but surely he'd have fared better if he didn't run?[/QUOTE]
sorry for being abrasive but you know nothing about the case. this isn't an average guy flees from cops scenario.
Gray would be alive today if the police got him immediate medical attention. his arrest was made ILLEGAL after they chose to shackle him instead of sending him to the hospital.
yes he would have fared better without running but no officer has the right to use that as an excuse for one's suffering.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;47629153]You're right. Had Freddy Gray followed his doctors orders to stay home and recover from his spinal surgery the week before, rather than going out to sell drugs on the street, he wouldn't have had to run from the police, and have his spine severed from the tackle. In the video the cops were dragging him because he couldn't or wouldn't walk on his own. Incredibly doubtful cops beat the shit out of him in the van.[/QUOTE]
Oh shit, is this another Trayvon Martin/Martin Brown thing, where it looks like a race kill from a cop when, when suddenly, there's evidence to the contrary and it causes ANOTHER confusing shit fit that goes on until we and the news forget about it?
If that's so, then this is about the third time in a row this kind of thing has happened.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47630351]I see a long history of drug abuse in a society that would rather throw people in prison than help them. Notice that of all those charges, only one is remotely violent.
Not someone who deserved to die[/QUOTE]
You talk as if his death was intentional.
You also seem to forget a lot of those charges also include "Intent to distribute" he wasnt a harmless user, he was helping create users. On top of that, their are multiple "violation of probation"
This is someone who had 8 free years of their free life to turn themselves around and they never did. Can we stop acting like by saying "He could have been helped and rehabilitated!!!" means he would have?
Thats 8 fucking years of criminal activity. Not a few instances.
Why do we treat these people like they are fucking 7 year olds who dont know any better? This was a fucking full grown person.
Did he deserve to die? No. Was his death some intentional thing? No.
Its so easy to just say "Well all he was doing was selling drugs, he didnt DESERVE TO DIE!!!" neither did the old guy across my street who built my fucking shed for pretty much free. Shit happens and believe it or not, cops are not perfect robots with mind reading abilities who could tell he was fucked from recent spine shit.
But he did die, it wasnt intentional, and he was being active after he just got done with spinal shit.
Why do we always have to try and spin this shit as if these people are completely inept to any fucking criticism or blame? Its entirely his fault he put himself in a situation which required cops to get him down. His spinal injuries are due to his own fucking fault for not listening to take it easy for a while.
Maybe if you dont wanna get tackled by cops and dragged you dont fucking do anything that makes them do so? Especially when you have a spinal injury.
Nothings going to change from these protests, just like how nothing changed from the Zimmerman shit, or the Mike Brown shit. The actual protesters are taken over by the sensationalist stupid mass who make the actual protesters look like shit and completely undermine the entire meaning of their cause. It also doesnt help the person killed has a very lengthy criminal record, while drug activity means fuck all to me and I dont think he should be dead, plenty disagree and this will also drown out the message.
Regardless, dont wanna get man handled by cops? Dont do anything that makes that happen? seems plenty of people do just fine not having this shit happen to them.
Im guessing most of you here dont have to worry about getting tackled by cops now do you? So the world stops when 1 idiot does?
Honestly, its more fucked up this god damn guy and situation is getting more attention than the fucking Eric Garner just a few months back which was very real and obvious police incompetence.
[QUOTE=sYnced;47639154]that isn't the point at all.
he died from his injuries AFTER being detained by police.
it doesn't matter if you run or adhere to the police, they don't make the decision to end someone's life.[/QUOTE]
I was responding specifically to what you said regarding him initially being arrested, the:
[quote]the evidence we have is the initial street video. the video clearly shows freddie gray's state of pain caused by how the officers subdued him, planting their knees down his neck and back.[/quote]
not to the rest of your post, which is why I cut the rest of your post out.
He ran, police subdued him (it doesn't matter if the arrest was illegal, fight it in court, not the street). Again, if you don't potentially want to get hurt, don't fucking run from police, it's dead simple.
Gray should have been given medical attention when he requested it and if police had done that he might be alive, but that has nothing to do with how he was initially apprehended. That has nothing to do with what I was specifically replying to.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;47643546]I was responding specifically to what you said regarding him initially being arrested, the:
not to the rest of your post, which is why I cut the rest of your post out.
He ran, police subdued him (it doesn't matter if the arrest was illegal, fight it in court, not the street). Again, if you don't potentially want to get hurt, don't fucking run from police, it's dead simple.
Gray should have been given medical attention when he requested it and if police had done that he might be alive, but that has nothing to do with how he was initially apprehended. That has nothing to do with what I was specifically replying to.[/QUOTE]
i get it this is what you said regarding the video: "if you don't want to potentially get hurt, don't run from police" and now "it doesn't matter if the arrest was illegal, fight it in court, not the street"
your opinion is noted but your opinion isn't the law so your opinion doesn't fucking matter and frankly it's more twisted than it is wrong.
gray's death was declared homicide, this has everything to do with how they apprehended him.
There was a doctor involved with this case that said there was no way he could sever his own spine doing what he was doing.
I'm on my phone so finding that interview is taking longer.
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