Not sure what this has to do with Brexit, but I do agree that this is comple shit - and I voted for the Tories in the last election. The problem is I have no idea who to vote for in the next election. Labour has gone to hell under Corbyn and the Tories are running around doing whatever the fuck they want because there is no strong opposition.
[QUOTE=David29;50950899]Not sure what this has to do with Brexit, but I do agree that this is comple shit - and I voted for the Tories in the last election. The problem is I have no idea who to vote for in the next election. Labour has gone to hell under Corbyn and the Tories are running around doing whatever the fuck they want because there is no strong opposition.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=David29;50950899]Not sure what this has to do with Brexit, but I do agree that this is comple shit - and I voted for the Tories in the last election. The problem is I have no idea who to vote for in the next election. Labour has gone to hell under Corbyn and the Tories are running around doing whatever the fuck they want because there is no strong opposition.[/QUOTE]
This is where you vote for the Monster Raving Looney party.
I had a conversation with a Leave voter a little bit ago, who said he believed the £350mil to NHS thing and wanted that to happen because the NHS saved his life after he got into a car crash.
I wonder how he'd react to this news. The Tories were the ones that pushed the Leave vote, weren't they?
lmao the NHS needs way more funding if anything
Fuck this is all so horrifying. The US has a choice between Clinton and Trump and here we are with a choice between our own Darth Vader vs a fucking Ewok. I don't want to vote Tory when their cabinet is a bunch of private healthcare recipients with chauffeurs cutting public services with no regard for the danger to the fabric of the country, but I don't want to vote Labour because their reasonable economics come with a flip-flopping pacifist who would destroy my career simply by way of his opinion of the standing military. I'm stuck praying that Tim Farron actually starts doing something before the GE and gives me something worthwhile to vote for.
[QUOTE=jamzzster;50950726]My local A&E closed recently we have to go 20 miles to the next nearest one. It's truly awful.[/QUOTE]
Chorley? Or another one?
[QUOTE=Samiam22;50950932]The Tories were the ones that pushed the Leave vote, weren't they?[/QUOTE]
Their official position was Remain, but there was a large split with the individuals in the party
I've been seeing literally dozens of reports on the news lately about how much NHS branches are struggling ALREADY with the cuts.
AND THEN THE GOVERNMENT PLANS MORE, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU CUNTS
It's ok! You can come join the U.S. healthcare club - where money is more important than your lives.
[QUOTE=Jon27;50950937]Fuck this is all so horrifying. The US has a choice between Clinton and Trump and here we are with a choice between our own Darth Vader vs a fucking Ewok. I don't want to vote Tory when their cabinet is a bunch of private healthcare recipients with chauffeurs cutting public services with no regard for the danger to the fabric of the country, but I don't want to vote Labour because their reasonable economics come with a flip-flopping pacifist who would destroy my career simply by way of his opinion of the standing military. I'm stuck praying that Tim Farron actually starts doing something before the GE and gives me something worthwhile to vote for.[/QUOTE]
Basically this. In the past I've always had Labour to fall back on, but Corbyn is just too much of an out of touch idiot and - in my opinion - an actual security risk.
[QUOTE=David29;50951324]Basically this. In the past I've always had Labour to fall back on, but Corbyn is just too much of an out of touch idiot and - in my opinion - an actual security risk.[/QUOTE]
Despite Corbyn's flaws I think the media has gone out of its way to exaggerate them. If he were elected I truly doubt he'd go as far as people claim, a lot of it's just stated opinion. I'd take him over the two faced lies, betrayals and bootstomping on the working class that the Conservatives would serve up. A lesser evil.
I want to know how the media will blame Corbyn for this.
No doubt conservative politicians in the US will seize this as spontaneous and irrefutable proof that socialized healthcare is a terrible idea, despite the fact that their equivalents in the UK are essentially responsible for exasperating the issue.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50950793]Tories attack health
But where is their champion
Where is Flashmarsh
(I summon thee)[/QUOTE]
He was banned for a month
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Also laughing at anyone who thought Theresa May would actually live up to all those promises she made in her speech, imagine actually trusting the Tories
2016: The Year of Regression.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;50950646]Add to that the fact we are hellbent on leaving the EU - a huge source of new healthcare workers. Some of the best radiographers I have seen are Croatian, Portuguese and more, in addition to ones from outside the EU such as Filipino ones.
There is also a chronic lack of investment in things that would help reduce the burden, especially in the mental health sector.
Oh yeah, and the fact that our A&E departments are actually performing well considering the burden. 90%+ of patients are [b]still[/b] seen and a treatment plan commenced within 4 hours. That is amazing compared to reports from other places - it is fairly common to see US posters saying they waited 6+ hours in the ED, while a NHS trust is fined massively for each breach past 4 hours. (which then makes it harder to reach the next target... insanity)[/QUOTE]
Leaving the EU could actually make things even worse apparently actually. According to WTO law any partially privatised service has to be made open to full privatisation. When we were in the EU, EU law always came first over WTO law preventing this. Now that we've left Nigel wants us to take on WTO laws.
So much for getting out sovereignty back.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50950654]I never understood the logic of fining institutions for not reaching targets - it should be the other way around (if anything); give them a bonus if they do well.[/QUOTE]
It's the stupidest fucking bullshit.
"hey your institution isn't doing well! what can we do to fix that?! lets reduce your funding! that'll make you much much better!"
They're doing it with schools too. You'd think institutions that are struggling would need more money given to them to improve the quality of their service. Just seems like a Conservative doublespeak to justify cuts. Chances are, schools performing worst are going to be in poorer areas, so it's another example of cuts almost exclusively hitting the poor.
The worst part is, people eat this shit up. The whole 'yeah punish schools and hospitals for doing badly, its just common sense'
fuck me
[editline]26th August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50951618]He was banned for a month
[editline]26th August 2016[/editline]
Also laughing at anyone who thought Theresa May would actually live up to all those promises she made in her speech, imagine actually trusting the Tories[/QUOTE]
Yeah even the Guardian was all over her for that fucking speech.
Bet these kind of cuts don't make it to the general public's awareness. As always, lowering standards of healthcare will be put down to the NHS being shit or bureaucratic or swamped with immigrants or something, not the lack of funding that is the root cause of the problem.
[editline]26th August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jon27;50950937]Fuck this is all so horrifying. The US has a choice between Clinton and Trump and here we are with a choice between our own Darth Vader vs a fucking Ewok. I don't want to vote Tory when their cabinet is a bunch of private healthcare recipients with chauffeurs cutting public services with no regard for the danger to the fabric of the country, but I don't want to vote Labour because their reasonable economics come with a flip-flopping pacifist who would destroy my career simply by way of his opinion of the standing military. I'm stuck praying that Tim Farron actually starts doing something before the GE and gives me something worthwhile to vote for.[/QUOTE]
Would he destroy your career though?
He's spoken about expanding the defence sector to provide more jobs in the past, partly to make up for the jobs lost from the end of Trident. When he talks about lowering the defence budget he's talking about 1. getting rid of trident and 2. a hypothetical situation of peace far, far in the future. He's always very clear that we need one now, but that he dearly wishes that we didn't.
Appropriate:
[video=youtube;uK7DRJx9nbU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK7DRJx9nbU[/video]
Fucking hate this government. Rather than close tax-loopholes and go after the rich who can afford to use private healthcare, they fuck over the poor who rely on the NHS to even survive sometimes.
This is the fucking Tories end game, it always has been. Pull enough funding away fron the NHS so when shit goes bad and patients start dying on wards in their droves then the public will turn against it then the Tories will hold out the hand of private funding to [del]save us all[/del] Line their slimey greedy fucking pockets and fuck the rest of us.
And then when another bunch of fucking sneaky cunts come along saying they'll fund the NHS and save it? Of course the public are gonna side with them, hell they'd side with the fucking devil if there was even a whiff of salvation in doing so. Why? because the alternative, or rather the 'Status Quo' was leading down this path already. Brexit has likely sped this up, but make no mistake this has been in the making for years and still would be happening even if Brexit failed.
I really want to vote for Labour, I hope they get their shit together before 2020.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;50950932]I had a conversation with a Leave voter a little bit ago, who said he believed the £350mil to NHS thing and wanted that to happen because the NHS saved his life after he got into a car crash.
I wonder how he'd react to this news. The Tories were the ones that pushed the Leave vote, weren't they?[/QUOTE]
Half of the Tories did, as far as I'm concerned. Maybe it wasn't a 50/50 split, but there was a fairly even divide.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50953077]Half of the Tories did, as far as I'm concerned. Maybe it wasn't a 50/50 split, but there was a fairly even divide.[/QUOTE]
The Tories had the largest camp of a Brexiters (138 wanted to leave, 185 wanted to remain) but AFAIK the majority of MPs all supported Remain, if it had a been a vote in Parliament Remain would have won by miles).
[QUOTE=Emz;50951012]Chorley? Or another one?[/QUOTE]
Yeah Chorley, they say it's coming back but I don't think it will, it's all been changed inside. They're closing the emergency doctors in Euxton too
MP's should be banned from using private healthcare, I'm sure things would improve for the NHS then.
How the in hell is England acting dumber than the United States?
[QUOTE=Swilly;50954404]How the in hell is England acting dumber than the United States?[/QUOTE]
We've gone downhill since Brexit
[QUOTE=jamzzster;50954348]Yeah Chorley, they say it's coming back but I don't think it will, it's all been changed inside. They're closing the emergency doctors in Euxton too[/QUOTE]
Don't know why you're going 20 extra miles to the next one, Royal Preston is only 12.7 miles away from Chorley.
Also, Chorley was not closed down due to budget cuts. It was closed down because of incompetent management absolutely fucking up the staff rotas
Funny thing is that they'll review it in a couple of years and call it dysfunctional because it's under performing and then use that to demonstrate the supposed inefficiency of public health delivery. In a few years time they will have manufactured a crisis (which shouldn't exist if it were properly funded in the first place) which will justify cutting the budget further or privatising sections of it.
That combined with stretching manpower only adequate to cover 5 workings days a week to cover all 7 means that the NHS is going to get shittier and shittier.
noice
Can't say I'm surprised - this is what happens when you vote in a Tory government. Not to mention we've got to pay for all the Brexit lawyers somehow!
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