Justice for Trayvon? Brooklyn man may be brain dead after unprovoked hate attack in Union Square - Polidicks

.....................I didn't read everything, nor have I heard about this, but I live in Brooklyn, New York. Its bad enough that on rare occasion I have hurtful insults thrown at me over my weight, but now I gotta watch for people who wanna deck me for being white? Ugh.........

[QUOTE=Lamar;42114975]posting on-topic for a moment for an update, the man has been declared brain dead.[/QUOTE] :( i hope his mother will at least be okay. having to find out her son died then forgetting it in a few days

[QUOTE=Gatsby;42113362]Whats the point of calling Lamar racist for posting an news article? That makes no sense. Even if the thread title is kinda dumb.[/QUOTE] I like calling people racist but I don't think lamar is racist I think he, like many people, conveniently ignores the racial elements present in this case (the lack of police involvement until the media got on their ass, I doubt they'd take zimmerman's word on what happened right away had this been a white kid) and present in the state of florida (that black woman who was sentenced to prison for shooting her ex-husband who violated a restraining order, forced his way into the house, and trapped her in the garage - by the same prosecutor as in the zimmerman trial), but all that proves is that he doesn't [i]care[/i] about racism. Not that he's outwardly racist. It's still kinda racist tho

thisi s the media's fault

[QUOTE=Zeke129;42117730]I like calling people racist but I don't think lamar is racist I think he, like many people, conveniently ignores the racial elements present in this case (the lack of police involvement until the media got on their ass, I doubt they'd take zimmerman's word on what happened right away had this been a white kid) and present in the state of florida (that black woman who was sentenced to prison for shooting her ex-husband who violated a restraining order, forced his way into the house, and trapped her in the garage - by the same prosecutor as in the zimmerman trial), but all that proves is that he doesn't [i]care[/i] about racism. Not that he's outwardly racist. It's still kinda racist tho[/QUOTE] whaaaattt She was the one that was violating HER restraining order. SHE broke into the house and then shot at him, and his kids. If anything, that story shows how much the media fucking supports this stuff, considering that your view of it is the [b]exact fucking opposite[/b] of what actually happened.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;42117730]that black woman who was sentenced to prison for shooting her ex-husband who violated a restraining order, forced his way into the house, and trapped her in the garage - by the same prosecutor as in the zimmerman trial[/QUOTE] You mean this case? [url]http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/19/marissa-alexander-florida-10-20-life-laws[/url] Where what you said is a completely backwards version of what happened?

[QUOTE=deathstarboot;42115354]Hard to prove and it's bad to generalize. Racists are everywhere, and they're all equally dumb.[/QUOTE] From at least my experiences it's 100% true, I'm harassed all the time for being white (assaulted twice, too), and have only seen the opposite on an extreme rare occasion.

so much absolutely pointless arguing that has no use and changed zero people's opinions dissonance, some of you guys spend way too much of your time arguing

[QUOTE=katbug;42117927]From at least my experiences it's 100% true, I'm harassed all the time for being white (assaulted twice, too), and have only seen the opposite on an extreme rare occasion.[/QUOTE] would you call it institutionalized though? general rule of thumb, it's only worth worrying about if it's inherent in the system. i mean that sucks for you, but running into those racist guys is just a matter of circumstance and bad luck - with a minority getting muscled out of a job or paid less or arrested more for arbitrary reasons, it's by design.

Most people come into these threads with the idea of needing to "win" the argument based on the ideas they've already formed in their mind. This leads to these giant threads full of the same two sides fighting again and again. Imagine if people listened to one another and compromised. No seriously imagine if everyone just fucking relaxed and typed their thoughts out coherently without sounding super callous or like robots. I'm not saying the best answer is always somewhere in the middle, because quite frankly I agree heavily with one side of the argument a lot of the time. That doesn't change the fact that everyone can be mildly polite when disagreeing/going apeshit. Also katbug, I'm sorry to hear you have been victimized in the past because of your race, but just because you haven't seen much of the prejudice against black people doesn't mean it doesn't happen often or that it somehow makes black people more likely to be racists. That can't make it "100% true" or anything near it, even if, from your personal perspective, it is. Just remember that you make up only a small part of the world.

[QUOTE=Ramen;42118277]Most people come into these threads with the idea of needing to "win" the argument based on the ideas they've already formed in their mind. This leads to these giant threads full of the same two sides fighting again and again. Imagine if people listened to one another and compromised. No seriously imagine if everyone just fucking relaxed and typed their thoughts out coherently without sounding super callous or like robots. I'm not saying the best answer is always somewhere in the middle, because quite frankly I agree heavily with one side of the argument a lot of the time. That doesn't change the fact that everyone can be mildly polite when disagreeing/going apeshit. Also katbug, I'm sorry to hear you have been victimized in the past because of your race, but just because you haven't seen much of the prejudice against black people doesn't mean it doesn't happen often or that it somehow makes black people more likely to be racists. That can't make it "100% true" or anything near it, even if, from your personal perspective, it is. Just remember that you make up only a small part of the world.[/QUOTE] As soon as you try to win a discussion you've already failed.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;42117730]I like calling people racist but I don't think lamar is racist I think he, like many people, conveniently ignores the racial elements present in this case (the lack of police involvement until the media got on their ass, I doubt they'd take zimmerman's word on what happened right away had this been a white kid) and present in the state of florida (that black woman who was sentenced to prison for shooting her ex-husband who violated a restraining order, forced his way into the house, and trapped her in the garage - by the same prosecutor as in the zimmerman trial), but all that proves is that he doesn't [i]care[/i] about racism. Not that he's outwardly racist. It's still kinda racist tho[/QUOTE] Marissa Alexander, that nutty woman? The case that took the jury only 12 minutes to decide she was guilty? Huff Poo and Jesse Jackson tried to spin the story in the wake of the Zimmerman case, but the reality was she was a nutty woman who twice assaulted her husband. She went back to her car to retrieve a gun which she used to return with and escalate the confrontation I'd agree with you that her sentence is too long, but its a mandatory law and it would have affected her the same way whether she black, white, or turquoise colored. The fact she had a restraining order on the man doesn't clear her from committing illegal action

What possible basis is there for believing this is in any way related to the Trayvon case whatsoever? Yeah, it was a race-crime, but neither the article nor the suspect nor anyone else involved in this case has made any mention of Zimmerman or Trayvon or self defense or any other damn thing that would make this at all similar to the Trayvon Martin case, with the only exception being that it involved a black man and a white man. What does it say about you if you see "black person" in a story about crime, and the first thing that comes to mind is to make an ironically misspelt "JUSTIC 4 TRAY TRAY!!" comment? Are you really so sheltered and ignorant as to believe that race crimes didn't begin until after the Zimmerman verdict, or that any race crimes committed after the Zimmerman verdict are automatically a product of a bunch of dumb belligerent black people who [I]"just need to let it go come on Zimmerman was found not guilty get over it you damn animals [/i]."

When will racist fucks learn to let this shit go -.- and yes I mean people like OP

[QUOTE=Gatsby;42115421]1) there is no way to prove that at all unless you believe that all black people share the same mind. 2)Why would you post that if you been banned for it before.[/QUOTE] Not trying to take a side here, but using [URL="http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2011/narratives/offenders"]FBI statistics[/URL] on hate crimes, White people (Hispanics are included) committed 60% of 2011's hate crimes and constitute 72.4% of the US's population (or 63% if you exclude Hispanics) while African-Americans committed 21% of the hate crimes although they only constitute 13.6% of the population. So although white people are committing the majority of the hate crimes, African-Americans are proportionally more racist. The statistics might be a bit loosey-goosey on what does or does not constitute a hate crime, though. Like how the majority of drug offenders in prison are black even though whites are proportionally more likely to be users.

[QUOTE='[sluggo];42111929']Now THAT is what you call a Racial Hate Crime.[/QUOTE] But he won't be tried for hate-crimes because then the government would be called racist for persecuting black people. [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;42121005]What possible basis is there for believing this is in any way related to the Trayvon case whatsoever? Yeah, it was a race-crime, but neither the article nor the suspect nor anyone else involved in this case has made any mention of Zimmerman or Trayvon or self defense or any other damn thing that would make this at all similar to the Trayvon Martin case, with the only exception being that it involved a black man and a white man. What does it say about you if you see "black person" in a story about crime, and the first thing that comes to mind is to make an ironically misspelt "JUSTIC 4 TRAY TRAY!!" comment? Are you really so sheltered and ignorant as to believe that race crimes didn't begin until after the Zimmerman verdict, or that any race crimes committed after the Zimmerman verdict are automatically a product of a bunch of dumb belligerent black people who [I]"just need to let it go come on Zimmerman was found not guilty get over it you damn animals [/i]."[/QUOTE] They've definitely gotten much more frequent. I'm not saying this is all relate to the Zimmerman case, but some are, and some of these cases the suspects actually say that it [i]was[/i] 'Justice4Trayvon,' as stupid of a term as that is.

[QUOTE=katbug;42117927]From at least my experiences it's 100% true, I'm harassed all the time for being white (assaulted twice, too), and have only seen the opposite on an extreme rare occasion.[/QUOTE] Sorry that you experienced that, but anecdotes do not equal evidence.

[QUOTE=Coment;42112050]Nice to know that the black community pro-trayvon is improving their public image. It's great to hear that, to prove a supposed injustice, their members decide to go around killing people purely because they're white! (and not because of self-defense, or anything. Pfff, what a joke!).[/QUOTE] you're racist [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;42121005]What possible basis is there for believing this is in any way related to the Trayvon case whatsoever? Yeah, it was a race-crime, but neither the article nor the suspect nor anyone else involved in this case has made any mention of Zimmerman or Trayvon or self defense or any other damn thing that would make this at all similar to the Trayvon Martin case, with the only exception being that it involved a black man and a white man. What does it say about you if you see "black person" in a story about crime, and the first thing that comes to mind is to make an ironically misspelt "JUSTIC 4 TRAY TRAY!!" comment? Are you really so sheltered and ignorant as to believe that race crimes didn't begin until after the Zimmerman verdict, or that any race crimes committed after the Zimmerman verdict are automatically a product of a bunch of dumb belligerent black people who [I]"just need to let it go come on Zimmerman was found not guilty get over it you damn animals [/i]."[/QUOTE] exactly. people making this assumption are fucking racist. it's unbelievable how ignorant so many people on this site are. i knew it was bad, but not this bad. holy shit. [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] THE ARTICLE DOESNT EVEN MENTION ZIMMERMAN ONCE. literally just the op and the op alone made that connection and everyone followed suit