Justice for Trayvon? Brooklyn man may be brain dead after unprovoked hate attack in Union Square - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Squad1993;42112699]Just checking. There are certain topics you don't want to try to "disprove" i.e. slavery, the Holocaust, etc.[/QUOTE] Does anyone actually try to disprove slavery?

[QUOTE=Kopimi;42112577]thats a very optimistic stance on the inability to memorize 3 syllable words, keep your head up katbug there's a notable difference between referring to the black community as the population of blacks in america and the socioeconomic tribulations theyve had to endure due to their history in america and using "the black community" as an excuse to generalize black people and blame all blacks for the poor behavior of certain individuals that happen to be black[/QUOTE] Nobody was generalizing all blacks, I was saying how the ones that point out issues that affect some blacks (abysmal legitimacy rate, black on white hate crime) get ignored or shut down until the next racism case comes along and a relatively minor incident overshadows far more important ones. Watch [video]http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/louis-theroux-on-black-nationalism/[/video] and look at how the critics get largely ignored and how nutty some of the widely followed black leaders are. It's a shame because it is the people that can do a lot to help that are keeping the problems going. Anyway we veered way off subject, Lamar isn't racist from the statements he made in this thread unless I missed a post.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42111976]I keep hearing stories like this and it's slightly unnerving that I could be suddenly attacked for no reason other than I'm white.[/QUOTE] There's been about 4 Black people are still far more likely to be the victim of a racially-motivated crime, especially at the hands of the police

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42112596]BDA always says white flight since he feels like he's a victim of it and he's said that himself. White flight as a concept doesn't exist and it is only used so that people can point a finger instead of thinking about the fact that the economic structure of the USA changed at the time it happened. It went from manufacturing to office based and service sector work and there wasn't a need to be immediately in the city, along with rising prices because of what was seen as a lot of people moving in, which led to people moving out because their prices got fucking jacked up, then them leaving caused the prices to go down and etc etc. Can't blame white flight, you have to blame automation of industry and the personal computer.[/QUOTE] Uh I was under the impression white flight as a concept actually does exist and has been observed time and time again. Admittedly it's a bit wider than just whites and you'll probably see similar dynamics among better of people from other ethnicities as well that do mix somewhat more commonly in predominantly white communities, like asians. And you'll see similar patterns of movement outside of the US as well - generally in Europe it's centered either around gypsies or poorer arab world immigrant quarters. Though honestly this is less a racial thing and more of a socioeconomic one.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42112716]Does anyone actually try to disprove slavery?[/QUOTE] I'm only saying that White Flight as a concept is flawed since urbanization of society has been occuring for a thousand years now and why has such a case only happened in the past 30 years?

[QUOTE=benwaddi;42112719]abysmal legitimacy rate[/QUOTE] well that's irony

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42112729]I'm only saying that White Flight as a concept is flawed since urbanization of society has been occuring for a thousand years now and why has such a case only happened in the past 30 years?[/QUOTE] Uh okay? I don't see what my post has to do with that, but thank you for sharing your (Stupid) opinion on white flight.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;42112726]Uh I was under the impression white flight as a concept actually does exist and has been observed time and time again. Admittedly it's a bit wider than just whites and you'll probably see similar dynamics among better of people from other ethnicities as well that do mix somewhat more commonly in predominantly white communities, like asians. And you'll see similar patterns of movement outside of the US as well - generally in Europe it's centered either around gypsies or poorer arab world immigrant quarters.[/QUOTE] And it's not a result of the people moving in, more of a result of a constantly changing market. People move to where the work is, when the work dries out, the people who can afford to move out, move out, while the people who heard that there was work here, last year, are now stuck. It's not about race and moving out because a black person moved in across the street.

[QUOTE=benwaddi;42112719]Nobody was generalizing all blacks, I was saying how the ones that point out issues that affect some blacks (abysmal legitimacy rate, black on white hate crime) get ignored or shut down until the next racism case comes along and a relatively minor incident overshadows far more important ones. Anyway we veered way off subject, Lamar isn't racist from the statements he made in this thread unless I missed a post.[/QUOTE] thats because the issues that you listed for examples as well as most of the other topics people complain about in relation to "the black community" are issues of poverty and social status rather than some mythical behavioral disorder shared by people of a darker skin color [QUOTE=DaysBefore;42112716]Does anyone actually try to disprove slavery?[/QUOTE] tbh the answer is probably yes lol

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42112729]I'm only saying that White Flight as a concept is flawed since urbanization of society has been occuring for a thousand years now and why has such a case only happened in the past 30 years?[/QUOTE] It's actually been going on for longer. And the answer is fairly simple. It's been much easier for people to change residency. There's a lot of reasons for all of this, but it's a concept that's basically got a lot to do with gentrification, value of markets and the reasons why those values change.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;42112778]It's actually been going on for longer. And the answer is fairly simple. It's been much easier for people to change residency. There's a lot of reasons for all of this, but it's a concept that's basically got a lot to do with gentrification, value of markets and the reasons why those values change.[/QUOTE] Which is what I've been saying. It doesn't have to do with race, it has to do with the economic market, which is why I think calling it white flight is fucking silly. [editline]7th September 2013[/editline] Here's the basic run down. Lots of people move to an existing place thinking that there's going to be work and as a result there's an overflow, so the people who have the ability to move, go to a smaller, growing town since there's an availability of work. It has nothing to do with races moving because another race is integrating. It's about moving where there's opportunity. [editline]7th September 2013[/editline] Blame the highway system for causing it to be easier to drive places rather than be forced to live near them and walk.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42112794]Which is what I've been saying. It doesn't have to do with race, it has to do with the economic market, which is why I think calling it white flight is fucking silly. [editline]7th September 2013[/editline] Here's the basic run down. Lots of people move to an existing place thinking that there's going to be work and as a result there's an overflow, so the people who have the ability to move, go to a smaller, growing town since there's an availability of work. It has nothing to do with races moving because another race is integrating. It's about moving where there's opportunity.[/QUOTE] While it's somewhat silly, the thing is it can be considered to be somewhat racial from the standpoint of the current economic situation of the various ethnicities in the US.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;42112829]While it's somewhat silly, the thing is it can be considered to be somewhat racial from the standpoint of the current economic situation of the various ethnicities in the US.[/QUOTE] It's only racial if you make it racial. The reason it exists is because of people moving to famous cities, thinking there would still be growth when the growth has halted already because of running out of space or urban decay or any of that. Again, they chose to move in mass and when a mass migration happens, often areas aren't built to handle them. It has nothing to do with saying that black people or hispanic people drive property values down or even assuming so. It has to do with our real estate market being built on a demand based system and the regions just didn't have the infrastructure to support all these newcomers or supply them with jobs that are already occupied. Doesn't have to do with not wanting to breathe the same air as an African American. It has to do with, now there's five people competing for this job versus 2 or 3.

[QUOTE]“I’m going to punch the first white man I see!” [/QUOTE] I can understand why people of different races have alot of fear of eachother in the states.

Fucking idiots... This is exactly why we can't have protest anymore, this is exactly why they're getting stricter on everything because of idiots who do shit like this.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42113060]I can understand why people of different races have alot of fear of eachother in the states.[/QUOTE] Canada is just as racist as the United States An invisible line in the ground isn't an instant cultural barrier

[QUOTE=Kopimi;42112046]he was acquitted in july and yeah its entirely racist to assume that every black person who commits a hate crime is doing so because of trayvon. the assumption that all black people support trayvon is inherently racist and you're either naive or just being intellectually dishonest by failing to acknowledge that[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42112032]Did you even read his post lol. How is he even racist or implying any of that. When a black guy says that they're going to punch the first white man they see and they do it, it's not racist to say that this happened right after the fucking trial. [editline]7th September 2013[/editline] When a guy explicitly says, I'm going to punch the first white person I see, I think it's a reactionary hatecrime.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lamar;42111952]justice4trayvon, I am dead serious. I don't think its coincidental that this stuff started happening after the Zimmerman verdict.[/QUOTE] No where in there, anywhere, did anyone at all even remotely try and say "all black people" but you kopimi. No one but you said that. No one but you made that judgement, that thought, that remark. Stop being a barking dog once in a while and maybe when you bite someone they'll actually give a shit. [editline]7th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;42113083]Canada is just as racist as the United States An invisible line in the ground isn't an instant cultural barrier[/QUOTE] go up north and inland in BC and you can meet either a lot of really nice people or a lot of really intense somewhat racist almost rednecks.

Many a time a white man has been labelled a hate criminal despite the intent having little to nothing to do with racism. If this guy, who blatantly yelled his intent and motive, doesn't receive a hate crime charge I believe its just the peak of the pyramid of bullshit that is our attempt at legislating social justice.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42113123]go up north and inland in BC and you can meet either a lot of really nice people or a lot of really intense somewhat racist almost rednecks.[/QUOTE] Shit it can get really racist in the Lower Mainland alone.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42113213]Shit it can get really racist in the Lower Mainland alone.[/QUOTE] I hate the "canada is so good" circlejerk that exists all over the internet. We're the country most proud of its mediocrity

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42113123]No where in there, anywhere, did anyone at all even remotely try and say "all black people" but you kopimi. No one but you said that. No one but you made that judgement, that thought, that remark. Stop being a barking dog once in a while and maybe when you bite someone they'll actually give a shit. [editline]7th September 2013[/editline] go up north and inland in BC and you can meet either a lot of really nice people or a lot of really intense somewhat racist almost rednecks.[/QUOTE] hi im human abyss im incapable of understanding motives and implications unless someone says something explicitly and literally for me to read the presumption that any black-on-white hate crime is motivated by the trayvon martin case is hinged entirely on the assumption that black people inherently support trayvon martin, thus any crime they commit against a white person is OBVIOUSLY motivated by the martin case [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Personal insults are rude and also not about the thread topic" - verynicelady))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Kopimi;42113287]hi im human abyss im incapable of understanding motives and implications unless someone says something explicitly and literally for me to read the presumption that any black-on-white hate crime is motivated by the trayvon martin case is hinged entirely on the assumption that black people inherently support trayvon martin, thus any crime they commit against a white person is OBVIOUSLY motivated by the martin case[/QUOTE] He was talking about a black guy who said "I'm going to hit the first white guy I see" How hard are you trying to miss the point to slander someone?

[QUOTE=Kopimi;42112608]hahaha oh my god come on man are you really pretending white flight, one of the best documented causes for the poor socioeconomic status of black people in america generationally, is just a fabrication? is redlining fake too? did that not happen? slavery was probably just a myth as well[/QUOTE] Not a myth but hugely misconstrued considering at it's peak in the US, around 1.6 percent of people owned slaves; and those slaves were sold to them by black slavers in africa to begin with

Whats the point of calling Lamar racist for posting an news article? That makes no sense. Even if the thread title is kinda dumb.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;42113287]hi im human abyss im incapable of understanding motives and implications unless someone says something explicitly and literally for me to read the presumption that any black-on-white hate crime is motivated by the trayvon martin case is hinged entirely on the assumption that black people inherently support trayvon martin, thus any crime they commit against a white person is OBVIOUSLY motivated by the martin case[/QUOTE] Hi I'm Kopimi I keep arguing that just because a few black people killed in the name of Justice for Trayvon doesn't mean they all do; yet in the same thread I claim that all black people who support whites (To the point of being considered an Uncle Tom) are victims of internalized racism (perpetrated by the evil white man obv) and that they cant actually just legitimately like white people. Sweeping generalizations are evil except if they're in favor of blacks and all black people have different motivations [i]except when I say they don't[/i]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42113337]He was talking about a black guy who said "I'm going to hit the first white guy I see" How hard are you trying to miss the point to slander someone?[/QUOTE] yeah and he went on to immediately proclaim that the assailant was motivated by the trayvon martin case. don't talk to me about "missing the point" when you refuse to acknowledge what i'm saying.

I can't find any evidence in OP's article that this was motivated by the Trayvon Martin case. Seems like a leap, especially since he yelled "I'm going to hit the first white person I see!" like it was a snap judgement months after the verdict. [QUOTE=Rangergxi;42113060]I can understand why people of different races have alot of fear of eachother in the states.[/QUOTE] I live in Georgia and have absolutely no fear that if I walk outside I'm going to be attacked by black people. The fact that people on FP are genuinely afraid of something as stupid is funny though. [QUOTE=Derubermensch;42113210]Many a time a white man has been labelled a hate criminal despite the intent having little to nothing to do with racism. If this guy, who blatantly yelled his intent and motive, doesn't receive a hate crime charge I believe its just the peak of the pyramid of bullshit that is our attempt at legislating social justice.[/QUOTE] Is this /pol/.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;42113388]yeah and he went on to immediately proclaim that the assailant was motivated by the trayvon martin case. don't talk to me about "missing the point" when you refuse to acknowledge what i'm saying.[/QUOTE] So this justifies you just flaming right off the bat?

[QUOTE=Gatsby;42113362]Whats the point of calling Lamar racist for posting an news article? That makes no sense. Even if the thread title is kinda dumb.[/QUOTE] have you read even like 5 words of any post in this thread or what [QUOTE=Bazsil;42113355]Not a myth but hugely misconstrued considering at it's peak in the US, around 1.6 percent of people owned slaves; and those slaves were sold to them by black slavers in africa to begin with[/QUOTE] oh man africans sold us slaves? guess it was alright then nvm [QUOTE=Bazsil;42113378]Hi I'm Kopimi I keep arguing that just because a few black people killed in the name of Justice for Trayvon doesn't mean they all do;[/quote] do you disagree with that? [QUOTE=Bazsil;42113378]yet in the same thread I claim that all black people who support whites are victims of internalized racism (perpetrated by the evil white man obv) and that they cant actually just legitimately like white people.[/quote] wow that sounds pretty bad good thing i never said that lmao [QUOTE=Bazsil;42113378]Sweeping generalizations are evil except if they're in favor of blacks and all black people have different motivations [i]except when I say they don't[/i][/QUOTE] sweeping generalizations are definitely pretty bad and black people certainly have individual motivations so... yeah? when have i said they don't? [editline]7th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42113401]So this justifies you just flaming right off the bat?[/QUOTE] sorry how does this at all influence whether or not lamars train of thought was racist or not

[QUOTE=Bazsil;42113355]Not a myth but hugely misconstrued considering at it's peak in the US, around 1.6 percent of people owned slaves; and those slaves were sold to them by black slavers in africa to begin with[/QUOTE] "Slavery wasn't that bad and not even really our fault" Holy shit we are on /pol/