Justice for Trayvon? Brooklyn man may be brain dead after unprovoked hate attack in Union Square - Polidicks

Alright, so now everything is even. One black man and one white man killed. This is the end of racial violence.

paul i am extremely offended that you would call me a "fucker" (which is slang for someone that fornicates freely, might i remind you). please send your apology to my PO box, which i have PMd you the address of

[QUOTE=sgman91;42114350]It's literally the definition of an ad hominem. By calling someone a racist you are attacking the person and not the idea. Racism is bad because it's based on false ideas. Point out the false idea instead of calling them racist to actually defeat their argument.[/QUOTE] Hey dude, if someone has a racist point of view that means that they are a racist. It's not ad hominem, it's calling a duck a duck. A person who has racist views is a racist in the same way that a person who makes wooden chairs is a carpenter. If they don't like being called a racist then it's their job to stop being racist; it's not my job to tiptoe around their feelings.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42114436]if they're going to be even more passionate about being a racist then they're a dumb piece of shit and i'll just insult them more. you can't explain things to racists because racism is irrational [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] WOW did he just call us fuckers?! WOW WHAT EVER HAPPEN TO BEING CIVIL[/QUOTE] Have you ever had someone go up to you and tell you that your opinion is wrong and you're a terrible fucking person? Why would you listen to them?

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42114445]If someone is wrong, they're still human. Having an ideology drilled into you isn't your choice and if someone shows you why you're wrong, you're more susceptible to have a humane conversation rather than tell them to fuck off since they're screaming at you.[/QUOTE] my point here is you're more concerned with nerds on the internet calling a racist a racist, rather than a racist guy being racist

freedom of speech only applies when i want to say stupid racist shit but if anyone uses their freedom of speech to say my shit is stupid, then omg they are so mean!!!

[QUOTE=Kopimi;42114451]paul i am extremely offended that you would call me a "fucker" (which is slang for someone that fornicates freely, might i remind you). please send your apology to my PO box, which i have PMd you the address of[/QUOTE] Do I have to print it out and sign it to prove myself legally?

I've seen this so many times here that I'm getting quite bored of it - someone comes onto this forum and spouts something insanely, objectively bigoted, but the bad guys in this scenario are always the people who call them out on this fact? What the fuck man

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42114411]racists deserve to be insulted[/QUOTE] Trying to defeat an argument with ad hominems is literally irrational. It's a textbook example of a logical fallacy, which is the same thing as an illogical argument.

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[QUOTE=Kopimi;42114459]my point here is you're more concerned with nerds on the internet calling a racist a racist, rather than a racist guy being racist[/QUOTE] I think that if someones a racist, it's better to just show them why they're wrong rather than tell them that they're wrong and that they should feel bad, ashamed, etc etc.

[QUOTE=sgman91;42114407]So you traded one ad hominem for another? Why is it so difficult to just tell someone why their wrong without using personal insults. How about: "I see no evidence to show this has anything to do with the Treyvon martin case. Can you show me where you got that assumption from?" If they can't give any evidence then CONGRATULATIONS! You won the argument.[/QUOTE] Man where you were when Lamar was calling everyone who didn't think Zimmerman was the hero Florida deserved a Traybot.

[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42114465]I've seen this so many times here that I'm getting quite bored of it - someone comes onto this forum and spouts something insanely, objectively bigoted, but the bad guys in this scenario are always the people who call them out on this fact? What the fuck man[/QUOTE] The bourgeois, oppressive as always.

A white man has been killed justice has been served?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;42114470]Man where you were when Lamar was calling everyone who didn't think Zimmerman was the hero Florida deserved a Traybot.[/QUOTE] Not on FP? I have no problem calling out anyone for the use of ad hominems. He shouldn't have done that either.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42114455]Have you ever had someone go up to you and tell you that your opinion is wrong and you're a terrible fucking person? Why would you listen to them?[/QUOTE] the difference being if i was being told my opinion is wrong odds are it's by a racist because all my opinions are pretty morally sound

[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42114465]I've seen this so many times here that I'm getting quite bored of it - someone comes onto this forum and spouts something insanely, objectively bigoted, but the bad guys in this scenario are always the people who call them out on this fact? What the fuck man[/QUOTE] There's a difference between calling someone out for being racist and shitting your diapers, bashing your head against the wall, crying and constantly screaming about how someone is being racist.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42114476]The bourgeois, oppressive as always.[/QUOTE] there's no bourgeiose when it comes to stone cold fact

[QUOTE=sgman91;42114466]Trying to defeat an argument with ad hominems is literally irrational. It's a textbook example of a logical fallacy, which is the same thing as an illogical argument.[/QUOTE] except racism isn't an argument, it's irrational and inherently stupid

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42114468]I think that if someones a racist, it's better to just show them why they're wrong rather than tell them that they're wrong and that they should feel bad, ashamed, etc etc.[/QUOTE] yeah the problem is i've already done that multiple times in addition to calling a racist. i've explained numerous times to numerous posters including yourself in no uncertain terms WHY his line of thought is racist and is a generalization of black america as a whole and so far nobody has responded explaining why i'm wrong, just crying about me saying "mong" (get over it, you and i both know you care fuck all about flaming) and saying i need to be nicer to racists [QUOTE=jbthekid;42114467]Do you ever leave your house? I can't tell if this is a joke, but if not, you're very oblivious to what's ever happened, ever.[/QUOTE] a quick tip: when you make posts in a love advice thread about being socially inexperienced you shouldn't make baseless accusations about other people never leaving their house. i'm by no means "oblivious", i'm just not ignorant enough to look at a handful of black-on-white crime cases and assume all black people are coming for whitey's head because of trayvon

[QUOTE=Sally;42114483]A white man has been killed justice has been served?[/QUOTE] The fact that people are still posting this without even bothering to read the article is why people get on Lamar's case.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42114491]the difference being if i was being told my opinion is wrong odds are it's by a racist because all my opinions are pretty morally sound[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter who it is. The same thing applies. This guy thinks the opposite of me and is just shitting on what I believe in, why would I listen to him? You guys need to understand this before you have this mentality that oh if I shout at him he'll obvious be wrong and shamed out of his opinion.

[QUOTE=Aphtonites;42114495]There's a difference between calling someone out for being racist and shitting your diapers, bashing your head against the wall, crying and constantly screaming about how someone is being racist.[/QUOTE] yeah there is a big difference because noones done anything even close to that what a lame analogy.

[QUOTE=sgman91;42114466]Trying to defeat an argument with ad hominems is literally irrational. It's a textbook example of a logical fallacy, which is the same thing as an illogical argument.[/QUOTE] what are you talking about this thread had OP having a title that talks about trayvon martin while the article had no mention of it and then people call him out for it, cause hate crime existed before trayvon verdict, and call him stupid as a side dish it's not as if we're JUST saying 'lamar you're racist, you're dumb,' we're arguing his point and adding an insult as an extra because we don't like racists

[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42114498]there's no bourgeiose when it comes to stone cold fact[/QUOTE] The bourgeois oppress facts in order to fulfill their image of history and plant lies in our head. *fedora tips.

[QUOTE=Sally;42114483]A white man has been killed justice has been served?[/QUOTE] I mean, hey Paul McCartney, sgman, you guys can complain about us being rude to racists all you want but this thread title is literally presenting people with false information (that there was some Martin/Zimmerman related motiviation behind this [because thats all black people think about? idk i never understood racist logic]) and the plethora of similarly false-but-attention-grabbing headlines all over the internet is super responsible for vast quantities of world-affecting misinformation. That shit is fucked up and he is a bad poster for titling the thread that.

[QUOTE=Aphtonites;42114495]There's a difference between calling someone out for being racist and shitting your diapers, bashing your head against the wall, crying and constantly screaming about how someone is being racist.[/QUOTE] My view of 'if i shout hard enough maybe he'll stop making threads' is probably not going to be that effectual yeah but it never hurts to keep repeating the truth. Having a barrage of posts undermining his opinions the moment they're posted is the next best thing to him being banned, at least then impartial/naive people have less of a chance of falling into the wrong beliefs

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42114491]the difference being if i was being told my opinion is wrong odds are it's by a racist because all my opinions are pretty morally sound[/QUOTE] somebody was criticizing the actions of very specific, stupid people and you basically lumped an entire race in with these people. if there's anyone here who's racist it's you.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;42114524]I mean, hey Paul McCartney, sgman, you guys can complain about us being rude to racists all you want but this thread title is literally presenting people with false information ^^^ and the plethora of similarly false-but-attention-grabbing headlines all over the internet is super responsible for vast quantities of world-affecting misinformation. That shit is fucked up and he is a bad poster.[/QUOTE] I agree, the title was horribly misleading and I'm not defending him, but the main reason these threads turn into shitstorms is because the main argument used against them is, "Your a racist therefore your wrong" which is absolute illogical bullshit. Use good, strong arguments and there would be no place for illogical racist to stand.

Can we all just agree that Lamar is stupid for making that thread title and trying to used this article is push his dumb ideas? It's completely pointless to fight about why somebody shouldnt say they think somebody else is wrong/stupid/racist.