Justice for Trayvon? Brooklyn man may be brain dead after unprovoked hate attack in Union Square - Polidicks

The title is mostly dead on, it's just the three word phrase that riles people up. [editline]7th September 2013[/editline] A man was in fact, punched to where he became braindead, in union square.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42114542]The title is mostly dead on, it's just the three word phrase that riles people up.[/QUOTE] yeah because its appropriating the poor decisions of an individual black man to black people in america as a whole

[QUOTE=Primigenes;42114540]Trayvon Martin isn't even mentioned in the article. Man, what a sensationalist title[/QUOTE] BAN THE SENSATIONALIST HEADLINES! [editline]7th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Kopimi;42114547]yeah because its appropriating the poor decisions of an individual black man to black people in america as a whole[/QUOTE] Not really? Explain to me how "Justive for Trayvon" equals, All black people are violent towards whites.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42114516]The bourgeois oppress facts in order to fulfill their image of history and plant lies in our head. *fedora tips.[/QUOTE] there's no subjectivity when it comes to racist beliefs - they're wrong stop dancing around the issue

[QUOTE=sgman91;42114531]I agree, the title was horribly misleading.[/QUOTE] It would conceivably lead someone to have a worse opinion of black people. I know people like to pretend the internet doesn't mean anything but it's how we get most of our information and that a thread titled like so, as part of the tens of thousands of pieces of information we process every day, can influence our worldview whether we know it or not. It is misleading in a racist way.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42114548]Not really? Explain to me how "Justive for Trayvon" equals, All black people are violent towards whites.[/QUOTE] read literally any post ive made in this thread that involves more than 2 sentences of words, i'm not explaining this for a 16th time

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42114530]somebody was criticizing the actions of very specific, stupid people and you basically lumped an entire race in with these people. if there's anyone here who's racist it's you.[/QUOTE] haha yes okay that's what he's doing

[QUOTE=Kopimi;42114566]read literally any post ive made in this thread that involves more than 2 sentences of words, i'm not explaining this for a 16th time[/QUOTE] A debate involves repeating the same points with different wording.

[QUOTE=Primigenes;42114540]Trayvon Martin isn't even mentioned in the article. Man, what a sensationalist title[/QUOTE] it had a question mark. it's an implication that attacking random white people in the street is becoming a trend since people started openly doing it as a reaction to the zimmerman verdict. and regardless of that, even if the OP was absolutely positive that this was directly related to Trayvon martin, the entire black race does not support trayvon martin, and calling someone racist for criticizing the group that do support him is, in itself, racist.

[QUOTE=sgman91;42114531]I agree, the title was horribly misleading and I'm not defending him, but the main reason these threads turn into shitstorms is because the main argument used against them is, "Your a racist therefore your wrong" which is absolute illogical bullshit. Use good, strong arguments and there would be no place for illogical racist to stand.[/QUOTE] how's this for an argument: is one race inferior to another in any significant way? no what's the definition of racist? someone who thinks that a race is inferior therefore racism is wrong In your quest to make sure everyone gets along and doesn't fight you've been telling people to afford legitimacy and respect to racist ideas, something I will not do

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42114579]A debate involves repeating the same points with different wording.[/QUOTE] not when the person you're speaking to has failed to acknowledge every single method of phrasing the argument

[QUOTE=Kopimi;42114586]not when the person you're speaking to has failed to acknowledge every single method of phrasing the argument[/QUOTE] And now were full circle. Good job, you've described your posting on the first page.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42114582]it had a question mark. it's an implication that attacking random white people in the street is becoming a trend since people started openly doing it as a reaction to the zimmerman verdict. and regardless of that, even if the OP was absolutely positive that this was directly related to Trayvon martin, the entire black race does not support trayvon martin, and calling someone racist for criticizing the group that do support is, in itself, racist.[/QUOTE] you can't use that phrase to do with a racial attack and not know the implication - lamar knew exactly what he was doing

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42114548]BAN THE SENSATIONALIST HEADLINES! [/QUOTE] The difference is that when smurfy posts a sensationalist title its funny and cute even if it is inaccurate. Lamar posts "sensationalist" (outright fabricated) titles to push his idea that some kind of race war is brewing in the US because a black dude beat a white dude to near-death.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;42114565]It would conceivably lead someone to have a worse opinion of black people. I know people like to pretend the internet doesn't mean anything but it's how we get most of our information and that a thread titled like so, as part of the tens of thousands of pieces of information we process every day, can influence our worldview whether we know it or not. It is misleading in a racist way.[/QUOTE] Saying that black people naturally have more muscle mass than white people is also racist, but it just so happens to be true. Something being based on race doesn't make it false. You must show WHY it's false, not call it racist.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42114548]BAN THE SENSATIONALIST HEADLINES! [editline]7th September 2013[/editline] Not really? Explain to me how "Justive for Trayvon" equals, All black people are violent towards whites.[/QUOTE] There is a difference between sensationalist headlines and misinforming others. I honestly can't believe you are defending Lamar's title and obvious attempt to cause a shitstorm.

[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42114583]how's this for an argument: is one race inferior to another in any significant way? no what's the definition of racist? someone who thinks that a race is inferior therefore racism is wrong In your quest to make sure everyone gets along and doesn't fight you've been telling people to afford legitimacy and respect to racist ideas, something I will not do[/QUOTE] *raises hand* But what if somebody is perpetuating a stereotype, what do we do then? [editline]7th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Gatsby;42114606]There is a difference between sensationalist headlines and misinforming others. I honestly can't believe you are defending Lamar's title and obvious attempt to cause a shitstorm.[/QUOTE] It wasn't as if he was saying a statement. The title has a question in it. We don't know the persons motive for it and it possibly could be justice for trayvon for all we know. You guy's cant say that it isn't since neither of us know if it was or not. We're both clueless regarding the motive other than that he went through with it.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42114598]And now were full circle. Good job, you've described your posting on the first page.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Kopimi;42113733]black guy commits hate crime against white guy. no mention of trayvon martin or zimmerman, literally no evidence that would point to this being motivated by the martin verdict. lamar immediately assumes it was motivated by the martin case because as everyone knows, black people support martin! dont hurt yourself trying to understand this basic line of logic[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Kopimi;42113641]what he said hinges on the assumption that black people automatically support trayvon martin which is a racist assumption.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Kopimi;42113287]the presumption that any black-on-white hate crime is motivated by the trayvon martin case is hinged entirely on the assumption that black people inherently support trayvon martin, thus any crime they commit against a white person is OBVIOUSLY motivated by the martin case[/QUOTE] this is all from one page of this thread [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] three times in one page have i explained my reasoning to you and others [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] 7 pages of you all yelling about civility and other shite and ive yet to hear anyone address anything ive said

[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42114599]you can't use that phrase to do with a racial attack and not know the implication - lamar knew exactly what he was doing[/QUOTE] the implication is that trayvon martin supporters are causing violence. sorry, but if your brain is somehow determining that the disdain for trayvon martin supporters is the same as the disdain for the entire race, you have the thought process of a racist person.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42114598]And now were full circle. Good job, you've described your posting on the first page.[/QUOTE] you're almost worse than the people with actual racist beliefs - at least they have an argument rather than just dancing around the sidelines telling people how terrible they are at posting

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42114582]it had a question mark. it's an implication that attacking random white people in the street is becoming a trend since people started openly doing it as a reaction to the zimmerman verdict. and regardless of that, even if the OP was absolutely positive that this was directly related to Trayvon martin, the entire black race does not support trayvon martin, and calling someone racist for criticizing the group that do support him is, in itself, racist.[/QUOTE] imagine not being able to understand context or implications and only understanding things that are blatantly said to you. and here we go, it is in fact we who are the racists i love it when people pull that one out

[QUOTE=Kopimi;42114622]this is all from one page of this thread [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] three times in one page have i explained my reasoning to you and others [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] 7 pages of you all yelling about civility and other shite and ive yet to hear anyone address anything ive said[/QUOTE] First of all, I said you described yourself on page one, not one page. I can quote too. [quote]hi im lamar and i think hate crimes only started happening after the trayvon verdict you're a racist mong for thinking that everyone who commits a hate crime is part of some pro-trayvon hivemind Edited: mainly because you make the assumption that if a black person commits a hate crime its because of trayvon because OBVIOUSLY all black people supported trayvon!![/quote]

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42114582]it had a question mark.[/QUOTE] Why is it there in the first place? Also [QUOTE=Lamar;42111952]justice4trayvon, I am dead serious. I don't think its coincidental that this stuff started happening after the Zimmerman verdict.[/QUOTE] No question marks. Dead serious absolutism.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42114637]I can quote too.[/QUOTE] congratulations, you've quoted yet another example of me explaining why lamar is a racist, further proving your inability to read or understand points that are made even in your own posts! in trying to prove that i have failed to explain why lamar is a racist, you managed to quote me explaining why lamar is a racist! pat yourself on the back for that one!

[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42114631]you're almost worse than the people with actual racist beliefs - at least they have an argument rather than just dancing around the sidelines telling people how terrible they are at posting[/QUOTE] The different here is that im trying to herd a discussion rather than going out and bashing somebody on the back of the head because of their skin color. there's quite a parallel between the two to the point where they're not that close as you describe.

[QUOTE=sgman91;42114605]Saying that black people naturally have more muscle mass than white people is also racist, but it just so happens to be true. Something being based on race doesn't make it false. You must show WHY it's false, not call it racist.[/QUOTE] Show me a well sourced, unbiased scientific source that shows that black people naturally have more muscle mass than white people.

[QUOTE=Melkor;42114649]Show me a well sourced, unbiased scientific source that shows that black people naturally have more muscle mass than white people.[/QUOTE] They technically do in their achilles tendon It's micro evolution.

[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42114631]you're almost worse than the people with actual racist beliefs - at least they have an argument rather than just dancing around the sidelines telling people how terrible they are at posting[/QUOTE] Only the Social Justice Crusaders of the Sanius Squad deserve standards though. Paul already stated that he doesn't give a shit about Lamar's intellectual dishonesty.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42114629]the implication is that trayvon martin supporters are causing violence. sorry, but if your brain is somehow determining that the disdain for trayvon martin supporters is the same as the disdain for the entire race, you have the thought process of a racist person.[/QUOTE] you have no right to write off an entire group of people supporting a murdered child just because of a very small minority who might have used it as an excuse to incite violence the whole case was a massive moral grey area - you're perfectly entitled to your opinions about what happened and you're even allowed to support a particular party (though I find the practice tasteless) - but to have actual [b]disdain[/b] for the 'other side'? you're a terrible person

[QUOTE=Raidyr;42114657]Only the Social Justice Crusaders of the Sanius Squad deserve standards though. Paul already stated that he doesn't give a shit about Lamar's intellectual dishonesty.[/QUOTE] I stand up for civil debating.